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The result was '''delete'''. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 00:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC) |
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*<small>'''Automated comment:''' This AfD was not correctly [[WP:TRANSCLUDE|transcluded]] to the log ([[WP:AFDHOWTO|step 3]]). I have transcluded it to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 January 25]]. —[[User:Cyberbot I|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberbot I</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Cyberbot I|<span style="color:green">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 15:59, 25 January 2018 (UTC)</small><!--Cyberbot I relist--> |
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* '''Delete''' I could not located anything beyond trivial coverage in third party sources. [[User:Billhpike|Billhpike]] ([[User talk:Billhpike|talk]]) 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' I could not located anything beyond trivial coverage in third party sources. [[User:Billhpike|Billhpike]] ([[User talk:Billhpike|talk]]) 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. I don't see how [[WP:PROMO]] applies. There is nothing promotional whatsoever about the article either in its current state or at any stage in its history. As for [[WP:Notability]], accoding to IMDB, he has writing credits in some very notable series including [[Boston Public]], [[Touched by an Angel]], and [[The Practice]] and for a Disney animated movie (though a minor one, [[Pocahontas 2]]). This one is near the margin, but with the additional producer and director credits and the authorship of a volume in the The Hollywood Professionals series, this person is sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. [[User:TimBuck2|TimBuck2]] ([[User talk:TimBuck2|talk]]) 21:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:: *'''Comment''' Its important to remember that anyone can add to an IMDB profile. There are no other non self promo sources. [[User:Jamesharrison2014|Jamesharrison2014]] ([[User talk:Jamesharrison2014|talk]]) 12:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - none of the references are independent, authoritative references. Even if the subject wrote for some notable series, nothing indicates that the subject meets [[WP:ANYBIO]] criteria.--[[User:Rpclod|Rpclod]] ([[User talk:Rpclod|talk]]) 01:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. I created the article because I came across a bunch of TV show pages where the individual's name was mentioned or linked in the text and/or infoboxes. There are currently 13 article-space pages that link to [[Allen Estrin]]. I wouldn't have created the article if I didn't think that was sufficient justification for an article on the subject. [[User:Deli nk|Deli nk]] ([[User talk:Deli nk|talk]]) 14:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:: *'''Comment''' Can you share those "TV show pages" with us as they are not linked to the page and there is only one source that is not a promo and that link is a dead link? [[User:Jamesharrison2014|Jamesharrison2014]] ([[User talk:Jamesharrison2014|talk]]) 12:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:::That's not true, they are linked to the page. See [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Allen_Estrin]]. [[User:Deli nk|Deli nk]] ([[User talk:Deli nk|talk]]) 13:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC) |
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::::You missunderstood me. I am saying there is not 3rd party television sources on this page in the refernces. You have not provided a single reference that is not directly involved with the source. The only one on the page again is a dead link. [[User:Jamesharrison2014|Jamesharrison2014]] ([[User talk:Jamesharrison2014|talk]]) 18:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::I said I created the article because of links/mentions from several Wikipedia TV show pages. You said "they are not linked to the page". So I showed the list of links to the page. [[User:Deli nk|Deli nk]] ([[User talk:Deli nk|talk]]) 22:16, 28 January 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::Correct. There are no 3rd party sources linked to the page. You did not say "Wikipedia TV show pages you said "TV Show pages." [[User:Jamesharrison2014|Jamesharrison2014]] ([[User talk:Jamesharrison2014|talk]]) 20:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC) [[User:Jamesharrison2014|Jamesharrison2014]] ([[User talk:Jamesharrison2014|talk]]) 20:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete.''' I searched for reliable, independent secondary sources with significant coverage of the guy and could find none. If someone finds one, please ping me. {{nw}} --[[User:DrFleischman|Dr. Fleischman]] ([[User talk:DrFleischman|talk]]) 18:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', no significant coverage. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC). |
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Latest revision as of 13:52, 14 February 2022
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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WP:Notability WP:PROMO Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 January 25. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 15:59, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I could not located anything beyond trivial coverage in third party sources. Billhpike (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see how WP:PROMO applies. There is nothing promotional whatsoever about the article either in its current state or at any stage in its history. As for WP:Notability, accoding to IMDB, he has writing credits in some very notable series including Boston Public, Touched by an Angel, and The Practice and for a Disney animated movie (though a minor one, Pocahontas 2). This one is near the margin, but with the additional producer and director credits and the authorship of a volume in the The Hollywood Professionals series, this person is sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. TimBuck2 (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- *Comment Its important to remember that anyone can add to an IMDB profile. There are no other non self promo sources. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 12:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - none of the references are independent, authoritative references. Even if the subject wrote for some notable series, nothing indicates that the subject meets WP:ANYBIO criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 01:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I created the article because I came across a bunch of TV show pages where the individual's name was mentioned or linked in the text and/or infoboxes. There are currently 13 article-space pages that link to Allen Estrin. I wouldn't have created the article if I didn't think that was sufficient justification for an article on the subject. Deli nk (talk) 14:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- *Comment Can you share those "TV show pages" with us as they are not linked to the page and there is only one source that is not a promo and that link is a dead link? Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 12:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's not true, they are linked to the page. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Allen_Estrin. Deli nk (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- You missunderstood me. I am saying there is not 3rd party television sources on this page in the refernces. You have not provided a single reference that is not directly involved with the source. The only one on the page again is a dead link. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- I said I created the article because of links/mentions from several Wikipedia TV show pages. You said "they are not linked to the page". So I showed the list of links to the page. Deli nk (talk) 22:16, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- Correct. There are no 3rd party sources linked to the page. You did not say "Wikipedia TV show pages you said "TV Show pages." Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 20:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC) Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 20:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
- I said I created the article because of links/mentions from several Wikipedia TV show pages. You said "they are not linked to the page". So I showed the list of links to the page. Deli nk (talk) 22:16, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- You missunderstood me. I am saying there is not 3rd party television sources on this page in the refernces. You have not provided a single reference that is not directly involved with the source. The only one on the page again is a dead link. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's not true, they are linked to the page. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Allen_Estrin. Deli nk (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- *Comment Can you share those "TV show pages" with us as they are not linked to the page and there is only one source that is not a promo and that link is a dead link? Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 12:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. I searched for reliable, independent secondary sources with significant coverage of the guy and could find none. If someone finds one, please ping me. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, no significant coverage. Bishonen | talk 11:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.