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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arie Priyatna

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He played 21 minutes of league football and 53 minutes in the cup, which is less than one match in terms of game time. This is a very weak WP:NFOOTBALL pass so we need to look towards WP:GNG. Furthermore, he is approaching his 40th birthday, so we can hardly make any credible argument of having a future pro career.

Searching Arie Priyatna yields zero sources in Google News and only Wikipedia mirror junk in DDG. Searching under the alternative name of Ari Supriatna, I managed to find this Bola article but it only qualifies as a trivial mention as he is only mentioned once in the body of the article. This falls way short of the requirement to have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Indonesia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not notable. He passes WP:NFOOTY but doesn't the WP:GNG at all Dr Salvus 21:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep there is indication that he meets WP:NFOOTBALL. He is in professional team listed at WP:FPL and has played at least one game. Caphadouk (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Caphadouk some years ago, there was a concensus which says that one or two match(es) is/are not enough for a player to be notable when GNG is clearly not met Dr Salvus 22:17, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This shows 2 matches, I agree that it's borderline. That consensus you mentioned is not stated in the policy, but I will change my vote to Weak keep. Keep in mind that the data may not be accurate and missing other matches he has played in. Caphadouk (talk) 22:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soccerway goes back to 2009 currently (see Bambang) so given that Liga 1 (Indonesia) formed in 2008, there's only one professional season missing. It's technically possible that Priyatna played in the first Indonesian professional season but not sure how we'd go about establishing it. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Caphadouk, do have a look to GiantSnowman's comment below Dr Salvus 12:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with a handful of appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would usually argue that Priytana would meet NFOOTY, but in some cases, such as this one, GNG beats NFOOTY, per above. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete meets NFOOTY, but NSPORTS requires GNG, which they fail. BilledMammal (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a perfect example of why we need to scrap the ludicrous one game standard, and replace it with at least 3 games. With actors they need to have had significant roles in multiple notable productions. With footballers not only are we assuming I guess that every game in an FPL is notable, which is questionable at best, and that every player is significant, which is also open to question, but we grant notability at just 1, which with there 3 points combined leads to Wikipedia being flooded with articles on footballers. 40% of BLPs are on people who played football, this is insanely too high.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Rock beats scissors; GNG beats FOOTY. Subject does not appear to pass GNG. -Indy beetle (talk) 13:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' - there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with a handful of appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' I would usually argue that Priytana would meet NFOOTY, but in some cases, such as this one, GNG beats NFOOTY, per above. [[User:ArsenalGhanaPartey|ArsenalGhanaPartey]] ([[User talk:ArsenalGhanaPartey|talk]]) 12:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' meets NFOOTY, but NSPORTS requires GNG, which they fail. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 15:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' a perfect example of why we need to scrap the ludicrous one game standard, and replace it with at least 3 games. With actors they need to have had significant roles in multiple notable productions. With footballers not only are we assuming I guess that every game in an FPL is notable, which is questionable at best, and that every player is significant, which is also open to question, but we grant notability at just 1, which with there 3 points combined leads to Wikipedia being flooded with articles on footballers. 40% of BLPs are on people who played football, this is insanely too high.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 14:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - Rock beats scissors; GNG beats FOOTY. Subject does not appear to pass GNG. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 13:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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