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Welcome to Wikipedia! I am amazed to find your talk page empty... because you have made some very nice contributions to Wikipedia. However, I wanted to ask you for a huge favor: could you please tag them for proper category and proper stub? It's very simple. Most articles would go with {{tl|horse-stub}}. if you have any questions - drop a line on my talk page. Thank you in advance! And thanks for those amazing articles you've created! [[User:Renata3|Renata3]] 01:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia! I am amazed to find your talk page empty... because you have made some very nice contributions to Wikipedia. However, I wanted to ask you for a huge favor: could you please tag them for proper category and proper stub? It's very simple. Most articles would go with {{tl|horse-stub}}. if you have any questions - drop a line on my talk page. Thank you in advance! And thanks for those amazing articles you've created! [[User:Renata3|Renata3]] 01:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


== Hi! Welcome back! ==
==Redirects==
Brookie here - I have fixed a soft redirect you did on the hcandaian (spelt wrong) horse - to do it your self use: #Redirect name of destination as a wikilink [[User:Brookie|:) Brookie: A collector of little round things]] 15:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


Hey! You're back! Welcome back! Hooray! Good to see you here. What's been happening since you were last over here, several years ago...? [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 20:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


:Yes, it's been a while! Working, school, etc… now in vet school. Hoping to add to some of the veterinary articles! I have been doing a few edits here-and-there just using an IP address, but now that I have access to good resources I will probably come on more often and contribute!
On 18-Jan, you made another soft redirect from [[Grasshopper (horse)]] to [[The Grasshopper (horse)]]. As [[User:Brookie|Brookie]] said above, you should do a real redirect in cases like this. The instructions for how are at [[Wikipedia:Redirect]]. I've fixed this one, but if you need help in the future, let me know. Thanks! -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 17:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


:I do need to get a refresher course on internal citation… where on wikipedia would I look for that information? Although I may just be able to figure it out by opening an article in "edit" and see how it is done there. [[User:Eventer|Eventer]] ([[User talk:Eventer#top|talk]]) 20:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
==Sheila Willcox==
Please provide references.[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] 04:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


::Vet school ! Yay for you! (bows) Yeah, the thing that has changed a lot is that they are way more anal about citation now than they used to be, particularly the science-oriented articles. Folks really like to see the citation templates used now too, which makes formatting more consistent. [[WP:CITE]] isn't a real great page for explaining the current state of the art but does list the basics. IMHO, the best way to do citations these days is to click on the "cite" link in the edit box and then use the pull down "templates" menu to just fill in all the parameters and it will build a citation template for you. Or, another quick and dirty method, though you often have to do some touching up is to use the interactive mode in reflinks: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks You just put the raw URLs between ref tags, then run reflinks on the article, and it formats everything, though it uses web page data, so sometimes you still have to do manual fixes. If you want to steal a copy and paste, the last article I took through [[WP:FA]] was [[Mucho Macho Man]], and you can certainly swipe any style or formatting there. For science oriented articles, I helped review [[rainbow trout]] for FAC, which used some science sources. It's now a few years old, but a person working on her advance degree in genetics worked with me and she got [[dominant white]] to GA, and that used a lot of peer-reviewed literature, though the formatting of the citations is not quite the way we'd do them now. WikiProject Equine ([[WT:EQUINE]]) (aka WPEQ) definitely needs/wants work done on the main colic and laminitis articles, they are high importance, but suck-egg quality. I'd be more than glad to birddog the formatting stuff if you want to do the tech. [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 08:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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I reverted your edit at the [[Glossary of equestrian terms]], not because it was wrong, but because we are really fussy about sourcing everything added to that article and have done so since it was created. Ditto [[North American Thoroughbred horse racing terminology]]. Just find a good source and then re-add. [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 03:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


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I think your expetise could be helpful at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds]].--[[User:Jpbrenna|Joe]] 23:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


:[[Horse colic]]
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==Racehorse categories==
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==Saddle==
== FWIW ==
Thanks for your contributions to the [[Saddle]] page, but that's not the right place for them. Saddle is a [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation page]], which exists only to help people find the article they're looking for, not to provide information on its own. The excellent information you added should be incorporated into [[English saddle]] or [[Western saddle]], or into a new generic article called [[Riding saddle]] or something similar. You could also create a new article called [[Parts of a saddle]] (or [[Parts of an English saddle]] and [[Parts of a Western saddle]]). If you need help, let me know where you think it would work best, I'd be happy to work with you, but it will need to be removed from the Saddle page soon. Thanks! &mdash; [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 20:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Just so you know, for the laminitis article see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Laminitis commons category of images] plus my (kinda blurry) [[:File:Coffin bone and horseshoe.jpg]], [[:File:Coffin bone front view.jpg]], [[:File:Coffin bone, side view.jpg]]. [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:On reflection, I've decided that, by the guidelines on [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation]] perhaps [[Saddle]] should be a generic article on its own, and the current page should be moved to [[Saddle (disambiguation)]]. I've proposed it on [[Talk:Saddle]]. If I make the moves, would you help to flesh out a "Saddle" article? Thanks! &mdash; [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 21:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


== While you are at it... ==
::All right, I have completed the moves. I've created a skeleton article at [[Saddle]], which I encourage you to expand and rewrite wherever necessary. Remember that anything that applies only to one type of saddle should generally go to that specific article instead; this one should be an overview of things that apply to all saddles (or at least all equestrian ones; I don't think we need to worry too much about camel and zebra saddles...). If you haven't already, see [[Wikipedia:Summary style]], [[Wikipedia:Lead section]], and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] for some ideas on developing an overview article like this. Best of luck to you, and thank you for your interest and your willingness to do research on this! I'll keep this on my watchlist and help out if I can think of any suggestions as it develops. Feel free to ask me any questions, or for any type of help. &mdash; [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 18:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Nice work on [[Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction]]. Care to also take a whack at [[Equine Metabolic Syndrome]]? It needs work! [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 06:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
==Irish Draught Redirect==
Hallo, would you take a look at both Irish Draught and Irish Draft. There can't be two different pages of the the same item. Irish Draught is the correct Irish/European spelling. [[User:Culnacreann| <font color="green"> Culnacreann</font>
]] [[Horse|<font color="black"></font>]][[User_talk:Culnacreann|<font color="orange"> Ireland</font>]] 13:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


:Yes, hoping to add to it at some point! Still need to do finish PPID (add in treatment, clean it all up, its not very well-written right now!) Exams are coming up, so it will probably be a while, but I hope to get to it in December.[[User:Eventer|Eventer]] ([[User talk:Eventer#top|talk]]) 00:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
== Thank You ==
Thanks for redirecting Irish Draught - [[User:Culnacreann| <font color="green"> Culnacreann</font>
]] [[Horse|<font color="black"></font>]][[User_talk:Culnacreann|<font color="orange"> Ireland</font>]]


::All you can do is for the good! Thanks! [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 00:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
== Big reorganization project idea ==


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Noticed that in general there is a lot of repetition in some of the articles, partly because they aren't cross-linked (and partially because people don't read before they edit). I was thinking that someone could do to the [[Equestrianism]] article something akin to what was done with [[horse]], in that more links could be put to related articles using that main article template and much verbiage cut from the main one.
I say "someone" because you might have the time. <grin> I wish I did, but it took me weeks just to fix one long article I took on...I tweak at everything here and there, but a wholesale reorganization may be needed in some areas, what do you think?
Some of the articles that could use some serious thought in terms of organization and removal or moving of material repeated other places (content is often decent to good, especially if things were more consolidated) include the hunt seat article, the english saddle article, etc...one thing that would be great would be to put together some better western articles. The horse training article is also kind of a mess, and I don't know what to do about the "horse breaking" article, which is also problematic.
Perhaps putting some merge templates into suggested articles and some redirect pages...?
Just thoughts. I like your work and I appreciate when you tweak mine. I still really haven't figured out when multiple categories are appropriate and when not, and if there's an easy way to fix all those categoy trees and arrive at something approaching universal language and useage...(sign) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 19:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


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:In response to your last message, I think we can collaborate here pretty well. If you can organize and outline, I can flesh out details--I grew up with western stuff so can help out there--it's easy, when I have time. I do more baby hunter and dressage stuff at this time in my life, but hey, I live out west and we do it all around here. I used to show saddle seat, so that's reasonably familiar ground to me as well. I also used to train young horses and teach lessons, (when I was young and immortal) so again can flesh out details on a decent outline...it's the reorganizing and rearranging of messy articles that is so time-consuming. As an example, there was some good cleanup work started on the horse article, to create links to other articles and condense the main article to a summary, I think something like that can work. My other contribution here is that I have probably heard of at least half the working theories out there so can probably explain the different viewpoints and help create NPOV as needed (oh goodness, do NOT get me started on "horse whisperers!" ARRGH!) Anyway, plow onward and feel free to holler for me if you want me to peek at something! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 00:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


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== Another one for your to do list! ==
Noticed that you found a bunch more horse images, but then the powers that be tossed that one cute appaloosa one! Doh! Anyway, any tips on where you can find these gems? Commons is not my favorite location, seems to be pretty sparse.
Anyway, kudos aside, we could sure use a better photo of a western saddle than that one with the (offensive to some people) confederate flag horse blanket that seems to be everywhere. If you find one, can you give me a heads up? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 06:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for the links, unfortunately, I had found them all, though it does look like more images have been added to the horse category (equus caballus brings up a few more), but the horse photos not categorized and noted in other languages are hard to bring up on searches. The other western saddle is a treeless one, so doesn't work. I think I'm mostly grumbling over the lack of professional-quality public domain images, and acknowledge that I'm probably dreaming. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 21:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
::You are GOOD at finding obscure images! Wow! I am impressed! As for the image, I'd crop it to just show the saddle because the horse it is on is more of a draft horse than a stock horse, but it is a pretty good shot of the saddle. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 19:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


Needs a lot of work: [[Equine drug testing]]. [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 04:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
== Edit (almost) war, need help ==
:Oh my, I'll see what I can do. Although I'll admit my knowledge of drug testing is pretty limited! [[User:Eventer|Eventer]] ([[User talk:Eventer#top|talk]]) 13:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::I can handle the rules stuff, it's the science and the impact of drugs/health consequences/ masking effects stuff that makes me want to rip my hair out! [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


Oh and, FYI, on your articles, try to use the citation templates, the cite journal one (in editing window, click the "cite" link then pull down the "templates" menu. Sometimes - not always - the template will even populate the entire ref if you pop in the DOI or PMID and click the little magnifying glass by the field - you can also do this with ISBNs in the cite book template.) It makes it super easier for others if there is a linked citation, even if just to the abstract! [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Go to [[War horse]] and especially [[Talk:War horse]] and check out the comments by [[User:Wandalstouring]]. I'm getting sick and tired of dealing with this person and need some reinforcements. Bascially this guy wants a peer-reviewed source for every statement, and claims he is the god of all military history. In 500 contribs on his page, as far as I can tell, all he does is bitch at people, revert material, and demand sources. The negativity is getting to me, and I'm starting to get snippy with him. A good sign that I shouldn't be fighting this alone. Maybe I could ignore him and see if he goes away, but would you take a look-see? He may have a few legitimate points about sourcing and such, but I haven't the time to deal with it... [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 00:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
== Reference errors on 28 June ==
::Thanks! Let's see what happens! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 04:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


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::Copied and pasted the same thing to me. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 17:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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== war horse ==
== And I'm willing to help ==


I'm realizing that the equine lameness and treatment articles are getting unwieldy. I tagged them to generate some discussion. I think the solution is to make both into lists of a sort where they can be linked to more detailed articles on each type or treatment. A lot of potential, work, but I'm willing to help! [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 01:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
all talk no action is assuming bad faith. [[User:Wandalstouring|Wandalstouring]] 14:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Stop bickering and stop making personnal attacks. I made a suggestion for structuring the article You disagree, make your own suggestion, constructive criticism.
Have you ever tried to critize an article on the talk page? How long did it take until anything happened? If I say source this and that it usually means I have no more to say about it than I really want to delet this unsourced nonsense, but I assume good faith, maybe I'm wrong (that happens) and wait until it is sourced. Besides I have a lot to do with complex vandal fighting (several of them per day for months). No, I'm not the only one who fights them, so I hopefully do not delet edits of someone trying very hard to contribute. I even took a look on my contributions, well, blue water navy seems one of my recent major issues. Just take a look at the article, it's definetly a lot of my work and sourcing. Although I'm not inclined to do that in the warhorse article, I just want it on the right track. Wandalstouring 15:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


== Possibly of interest ==
:I have created a new article titled [[Horses in Warfare]] as a place to do a complete restructuring of the [[War horse]] article. I inserted a basic outline and some suggestions for what I think should go there. Maybe a whole new rewrite will make the military history people happy. Or, at least make them put up or shut up. go see what you think and add anything you believe would be appropriate. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 05:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


You used to work on this article, you may be interested in this discussion: [[Talk:Jumping_(horse)#Requested_move_10_September_2015]]. [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 05:29, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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Long story short, the article [[bit mouthpiece]] is back in place, but it's history isn't. So I put in a request to the admins to merge the history of the temporary article back into yours, but it is putting up a weird template about speedy deletion...I put an explanation in their holding pen and I hope they get it all fixed properly. If not, well the text was also temporarily in my new [[Bit (horse)]] article and could be pulled from there if necessary.


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At any rate, I'm really sorry and am actually NOT trying to screw up other people's work...sigh...mea culpa! I think you can just monitor the page and the admins will fix the history, I hope! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 08:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


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::Which horse? The gray isn't mine, actually. I just took the picture. I did use my critters as guinea pigs for a couple other things, but I'm keeping them incognito.<grin> FYI, the admins did fix the history on the article. We now have the generic [[Bit (horse)]] that is listed in the disambiguationpage ifpeople type "bit" and can be linked instead of the [[horse tack]] article, plus both [[bit ring]] and [[bit mouthpiece]]. I should do up an article on bit shanks as well, but no time now...all there is is that archaic 1912 Britannica one on "branches." [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 04:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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You put a proposed deletion template on the article's talk page. It should have been on the article itself, and I took the liberty of moving it. I hope this is okay. --[[User:N Shar|N Shar]] 05:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


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Just an FYI, I added (or, to be precise, am adding while I write) about 20 some images of horse tack and stuff to commons. I use the same username there, I probably didn't categorize everything properly, but if you search by my contributions, they will all come up. Most stuff is of western style bridles and western curb bits, and the majority I've released to public domain. Anyway, I'm going to add some of these images where needed, but if you see a good spot for them, have fun and use them yourself if you'd like. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 01:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


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:I see you found some of the images, hope they helped...I exchanged a few just because I knew what I stuck in there, hope that was OK. (check out [[hay]] I had some fun with that one, the barn cat insisted on "helping"--FYI, if you want a project, that article needs more help than I had time to give it!) In other news, what got me started on all this was my desire to create an article on bit shanks to go with the one you did on [[bit ring]]s, so today I got that started, and found a somewhat obscure page [[Branch (bridle)]] that was obsolete terminology and has been moved to [[Bit shank]]. Anyway, long story short, I will probably be stealing some of the material about bit shanks from your articles and putting in wikilinks to the article. Look over the new stuff, and then if you want to edit it or any of the other articles accordingly, well, now you know what I'm up to! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 04:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


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== Nutrition article ==
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I couldn't find an article directly on feeding horses (maybe there is one, I couldn't find it...), so I created [[Equine nutrition]]. See what you think and fix what needs fixing! Enjoy! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 00:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

TROUBLE! They have slapped the article as being too directly copied from the Rutger's site...while that was a primary source, I would argue that there was enough material that they shouldn't have blocked the whole thing, but oh well. In the meantime, it's been exiled to [[Talk:Equine nutrition/Temp]] where it can be fixed... I could use a hand in rewriting and rephrasing. And, given that I inadvertently drwe the attention of the wikipedia admins on this, best to footnote and source everything. ARRGH! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 17:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::Well, after spending WAY too much time today properly sourcing the article, it's back up. However, I added {{fact}} tags to everything I didn't put in, and encourage you to add source material for anything you included. Teach me to draw attention to myself by submitting a "did you know?" Arrgh! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 22:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Rolex Kentucky Three Day]] ==

Greetings Eventer. Thanks for the comments on the photos. Unfortunately, I do not have photos of the dressage test, but I intend on getting some this year. Taking a couple extra days and going Friday through Sun. Just hope the rain holds off. Got a new lens as well, cant wait to use it, it's a little faster than the one I used last year. --[[User:ronjamin|ronjamin]] 05:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== The historic seats ==

<< la jineta and la brida seats>>

Not a bad idea, I have a couple books in hardcopy that discuss it, Bennett and another, older work. Do you think this would be one article or two (I favor one for now) and what could it be titled? (We could create a redirect for each term.) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 21:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

::FYI, I put in a bit about la jineta and la brida in the [[stirrup]] article, which needed some serious work, especially after a newbie had added some extensive but basically useless edits. Still would be good to do an article, but what to call it? Do we have a History of Equestrianism page? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 06:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

:::FYI #2, I just created a new article [[Stable vices]]. Pretty short, maybe look it over and see if you can add anything. Also did a tuneup on [[horse care]] and added a bunch of new stuff, maybe see if there are tweaks needed there. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 06:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Just a minor little itty bitty thing about your grammar ==

You have some really nice articles going on in the realm of horses and horsemanship, but for future reference, you should note that it is ''perform, performance'', not ''preform, preformance'' :) [[User:Lappado|Lappado]] 18:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll be the first to admit, grammar and spelling are not my strong suits. [[User:Eventer|Eventer]] 00:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== History of Equsetrianism? ARRGH! ==

<<<As far as I know, we do not have any page related to "History of Equestrianism." I think its a good idea, I'm wondering how we are going to break it up. Discuss the different seats/styles of riding and how they emerged? Would we mention any sports? And would we begin with the "evolution" of riding (i.e. from the first person to sit on a horse), or from a specific time period? Eventer 20:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)>>>

AARRGGHH! This would be something like REAL WORK! The first thing we probably need to do is to figure out what already exists in [[Equestrianism]], [[Domestication of the horse]], [[Horse breaking]] (an article that is a total mess but has a section on Xenophon), maybe some of what's in [[Horses in warfare]] and probably some of the articles on the masters, such as Guerinere (sp?). (and the bit I added to [[Stirrup]], maybe take a look at [[Saddle]] too. I "de-stubbified" and rewrote [[Horse training]], so I know there's no history there (a deliberate decision).

We don't want to duplicate [[domestication of the horse]], but I see the new article as sort of taking the topic forward from where the domestication article leaves off. (Arguably, domestication should discuss the first person to sit on a horse, the time of which is, of itself, a surprisingly contoversial topic!).

Most books on horsemanship start with [[Xenophon]] or [[Kikkuli]], i.e. the first people to write on the topic. I'd say that's as good a place as any to start. We also have the dilemma that history of riding and history of horse training sort of overlap -- I guess that's why we'd say "equestrianism," eh?

As for the seats, we could just treat it historically, I suppose. The ancients went through a time when they sat way the heck back on their horses and someone else led them. (Early LaBrida) La Jineta was basically the only way anyone could ride fast bareback without falling off, the La Brida seat required the invention of the solid tree saddle to ride faster than a walk without flying off the back...oh gawd, this means RESEARCH...! Arrgh!

I think maybe the thing to do is to create a sandbox somewhere, the way [[User:Gwinva]] did when she and I came up with [[Horses in the Middle Ages]]. We can dump in stuff we find wherever we find it and then start organizing it, cleaning it up, and figuring out what is missing. Where shall we put the sandbox?

Two sources I can think of now that have good history sections are Deb Bennet's ''Conquerers'' and Robert Miller's ''Revolution in Horsemanship.'' I think Paul Belasik's books also discuss some of the old masters; I have a copy of ''Dressage for the 21st Century,'' I'll have to see what's in there. I also have some older books that may have something to offer, too.

What say you create the sandbox, somewhere, shoot me the link and then we both start dumping in what's out there? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 20:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Grooming... ==

Great Minds, if you looked at the horse care article, I added an entire new section on grooming there, plus one photograph of grooming tools (and a bunch more grooming tool photos in commons). I bet the unencyclopedic tag got put there because there is a lot of how-to that they seem to want people to put into a wikibook instead. That's a thought, actually, but a bigger project than I want to tackle.

I think we can save the grooming article, I think it was tagged by an overeager admin. Looks like the tag was already removed, but can we merge in my stuff too? I haven't looked over your article in detail, but there are probably some differences...east coast versus west coast (I've already had to remove edits about metal currycombs! Arrgh!)

For now, I'll throw in a source or two on yours and fix the Category tag. I'll add a "main" tag to the horse care article. Check out the pics I added to commons in my contribs list (More fun in the tack room, I confess I own the world's rattiest hoof pick!) Look over what was done in Horse care and if you want to merge in some stuff, I'll wait until the horse grooming article is done before shortening the bit in horse care. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 15:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Other stuff==
Did you catch that I created a new article, [[Stable vices]]? It is pretty short, if you feel in the mood to go and play with it. We could also create more wikilinks to it. I may go out with my camera and see if I can find a nice example of wood chewing, too bad I painted all my fence...will have to drive around like I did for the photos I added to [[agricultural fencing]] ... [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 22:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Stirrups ==

Hmm. The security issue is a tricky one and your point is well-taken. The trick is perhaps to convey the "Goldilocks answer" what makes it "Just right?" We probably need to go deeper than just stirrup length, as the real issue is balance.

I DO agree that it is necessary to shorten stirrups while jumping (I don't do eventing, so I'll take your word for that), but on the other hand, with beginner riders on the flat, a short stirrup gives an illusory sense of security and actually makes them MORE likely to be bounced off. (Been there, seen that!) Young riders starting over fences also can get overbalanced on the forehand if a too-short stirrup pushes then into a too-forward seat.

What is going on here is that when you must move your seat forward, your leg has to stay under you.

Obviously, leaning forward with a long stirrup WILL move your leg back, as the stirrup bar doesn't move and you can't put a saddle anywhere other than on the back, girthed around the barrel... Thus, the shorter stirrup allows the "crouching" you mention, and keeps the leg balanced under the rider's center of gravity. But balance is one type of security, at speed, it's a trade off with contact, another type of security. And all the "contact" in the world won't keep you on a horse if you are unbalanced!

A jockey being the extreme example--with a long stirrup, not only would the horse not run as fast, but if it did, the rider would probably fly off backwards! That said, a stumble or stop and they usually fly over the horse's head instead.

OTOH, I most certainly will not ride a short stirrup on a young colt that is potentially going to buck or bolt on me. I keep my stirrups and legs long...(within reason, obviously, one shouldn't be reaching for the stirrups, either). When I ride different western saddles other than my own, I often find I have to adjust stirrup length to stay balanced; if a saddle has poor balance, I have to ride a shorter stirrup so as not to be trapped in a "feet on the dashboard" position, which is also quite insecure; you're perpetually behind the horse...but the short stirrup also is very fatiguing, say, on an all-day trail ride...it's a stopgap that compensates for a poorly designed saddle...

I will kick around in my head the whole notion of balance, as that's the real thing...if you can think of ideas, go for it. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 16:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== stirrups-2 ==

It's all about balance...stirrup length allows you to stay over the [[horse's center of balance]] at the average speed it travels...if short length alone = security, we'd all ride like jockies! <grin> Security is being in balance. (That's why we are supposed to ride without stirrups sometimes!)

A short stirrup over fences makes sense because not only does the horse move faster overall, but the thrust of a jump requires a rider to stay agile and balanced so as not to be left behind, and we humans do that better with more bend in our legs. I probably am not explaining this right, but Dressage requires more precision, so the horse sacrifices forward speed for collection and lateral agility, and the rider gives up some physical freedom of movement for control.

((I think with beginners, shorter stirrups feel more secure because they haven't lengthened their legs yet.))

Oh dear, no! I always start my beginners (on the longe line especially) with a properly adjusted stirrup--at or just below the ankle bone. Otherwise, they learn to "clutch" on the horse, they lean forward too much and any bump or bobble and they fly right off!

((it does take time to develop a longer leg))

This is true. But it's all about position and learning how to place the leg properly, particularly the thigh-hip angle, and then, paradoxically, to relax. You are right that they have to learn to loosen up the leg, but it really doesn't take long, and once you learn the position, you have it! When I have not been able to ride for a while (like when it gets 20 below up here--I don't have an indoor arena!), I might ache like crazy when I start riding again, but my stirrups don't change.

((get in a chair seat and push forward against them (therefore they enable a rider to have a lower skill level and still stay on)))

At dude ranches, that's what they tell people who have never ridden; to "put your feet on the dashboard," but that "chair" seat, though it feels secure and kind of wedges you into the saddle, it is completely incorrect -- if we are talking about the same thing -- you are always balanced over your feet, shoulder, hip and heel in line. (see George Morris, ''Hunt Seat Equitation'', he's the god of correct position--he knows it too, but...)

((I also find that galloping in my dressage saddle is not comfortable, nor is it very secure. I have trouble getting my butt out of the saddle, and the pommel usually starts hitting my crotch.))

Indeed, this is true, because the saddle is not made for galloping. It's made to provide a deep, secure seat. You can't get out of it very easily. Gallop in it, and you are forced behind the motion, behind the horse's center of balance, and oh yeah, feels like riding uphill or something. Shortening the stirrups on a dressage saddle is a stopgap solution when you have to use it in a more forward position, but my experience is that it isn't long before you are getting rubbed badly because your leg is ont aligned witht he flap as it was built, plus the cantle is so high I am still getting bumped on the pommel...you sure don't want to jump anything very high in one! =:-O

Two holes difference really is about the difference between everyday flat work and everyday jumping...and the flaps of saddles reflect that leg placement -- try riding a dressage length stirrup on a saddle with a real forward flap. Weird things happen there, too!

But, basically, (and this is the voice of experience) if a young horse is going to get serious about dumping you off, you will stand a better chance of staying on in a dressage saddle than a close-contact. Endurance riders often swear by the Stubben Siegfried VSD, which seems the optimal balance between freedom and security -- they can get out of the saddle when they need to move, but have security for things like, oh climbing Cougar Rock at the Tevis or something...

((obviously in a western saddle it is easy to gallop with a longer stirrup length))
No, not really. Calf ropers, steer wrestlers, and barrel racers have smaller, lighter saddles with lower cantles and ride a somewhat shorter stirrup than do, say, people who do cutting or reining. (Look at a western saddle manufacturer online like Tex Tan or Circle Y and see how saddles marketed for barrel racing are different than those for reining or cutting..and look at photos of people in those respective events--very different seat) I don't do cattle work, but when I am riding a horse where I anticipate a lot of faster work (say, on a trail ride with people who have gaited horses that will make me trot all the time), if I ride a western saddle at all under those circumstances (I more often trail ride in an English saddle), I'll put my stirrups about one hole shorter to be able to post in the saddle.

At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! (grin) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 01:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Stirrups 3 ==

(In my mind, if I'm jumping a huge oxer, and my stirrup length hinders my performance (because it is too long) this stirrup is not secure. So long stirrups are not appropriate for galloping or jumping: they decrease the chance that I will stay on my horse if something were to go wrong and they do not help me even if things are going right. Therefore, they are less secure in that situation than shorter stirrups.
So maybe its situationally-based?)

I don't think we are all that far apart in reality, probably just use different terminology. And have a different perspective because I teach a lot of beginner riders and mostly do flat work. Wish I had illustrations to explain. Basically, I agree with you 100% that you must have a shorter stirrup over big fences or at high speeds. But my reason why is that it is all about doing what puts you over the horse's center of balance. A too-long stirrup is insecure because it keeps you behind the motion of a fast-moving horse and thus off-balance. But, you also don't go to the other extreme and jump with a jockey-short stirrup over fences, there is an optimum length that is neither too long or too short!

Essentially, you DO have to trade freedom and balance for security, though. While you are more secure jumping with a short stirrup because you are balanced and able to move with the horse, if the horse does something really obnoxious like stop dead and start bucking, you are going to be off in a forward position in a jumping saddle (how many times have you seen a horse refuse a fence and the rider fly over it? I've sure seen it happen a lot), but you might stand a chance of staying on in a dressage saddle. (But you obviously can't jump very high in a dressage saddle... it's always a trade off)

I just see too many riders on the flat who are unable to sit down on the horse and have a deep, secure seat because they shorten their stirrups too much in the mistaken belief that it is more secure. About the most ridiculous sight in the world is a western rider with short stirrups. (sigh) ---- <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] ([[User talk:Montanabw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Montanabw|contribs]]) 06:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Wikiproject for veterinary medicine ==

We are looking for participants in a new wikiproject for veterinary medicine, in order to improve existing articles and create new ones. If you are interested, please sign up at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals]]. --[[User:Joelmills|Joelmills]] 22:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


== Thanks for the kind words ==

I'll definitely try to get the camera out and about with me. I haven't competed at A shows for several years (no time/money and horse/rider combo not anywhere near ready), but I still troll the ones in my area to catch the occasional smaller grand prix and keep tabs on everything. So yes, wagging a camera along will be easy. [[User:LochNessDonkey|LochNessDonkey]] 14:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== WikiProject Veterinary Medicine ==

Hi, you expressed an interest in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary Medicine]], which I've just moved into projectspace, so feel free to watchlist and contribute over there. Thanks :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[Poultice]] ==

This article needs a bit of attention, and you seem to have an interest in these things. When you have a few moments can you pop by and have a look? Thanks! [[User:Mmoyer|Mmoyer]] 21:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Irish Sport Horse ==

Hallo Eventer, [[Irish Horse]] is not the correct name of a sport horse bred in Ireland. It is Irish Sport Horse (ISH). Take a look at this Irish Horse Board [http://www.ihb.ie/Who_we_are/default.asp], website page, they maintain the Irish Sport Horse Studbook. The article name will have to be changed. Thank you, [[User:Culnacreann| <font color="green"> Culnacréann</font>]] 16:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Anatomy, wow! ==

Nice work on the Horse anatomy article.[[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 20:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

::As for footnoting, take a look at how I did it in [[Equine nutrition]]. I initially did a little too much cut and paste and got smacked with a copyvio tag, so in fixing that little near-disaster, I footnoted everything and then some. I used a ton of web sites, but one hardcopy book also, several times, but just cited the book, not the pages, but that was in part because most of what I took from it was from one section of about five pages total. If you want to see how footnoting can work when you have a few or a single source, different pages, go see the very cool job User:Gwinva did with [[Horses in the Middle Ages]]. I don't think I've seen a better set of footnoting on wikipedia (of course I like to claim some credit for helping with that article, but she did the heavy lifting!). Hope that helps. I also feel pretty sassy about my footnoting in [[Arabian horse]]. (grin) I was beaten to a pulp over [[Horses in warfare]] on sourcing as well by a military history anal-retentive individual, but by the time the dust settled, it was footnoted up the wazoo. And FYI, all four of these articles have [[Wikipedia:Good articles]] status.

::I think the interesting anatomical stuff on cardiovascular system to add beyond the basics (size, capacity) is how the horse is different from people. For example, the circulatory system is so intricately linked to the frog, to the point that some vets say a horse has "five hearts, one in each leg and one in the middle." Things like the problems with circulation that occur if a horse is recumbant for a long time, or limited in movement, Heart rate is important to note, standard P&R numbers, how long it takes to pulse down, that sort of thing. The lungs are interesting too, in how they ARE a bit like peoples'--isn't it only horses and humans who can get COPD? Also, the thing of how breaths and galloping strides are linked...you know, the weird, cool stuff. Just like in the chunk about the digestive system (I had that in the nutrition article and moved it over to anatomy) about how a horse has no gall bladder...the weird stuff is cool!

::Nervous system is good too. Again, a horse's brain is rather fascinating, being more cerebellum than cerebrum, the inverse of ours, and also quite small, (I once heard it phrased, "horses have a brain the size of a baked potato.") yet they seem to do just fine with it. Touching on the vulnerability of the poll and why, the links between saddle fit and pinched nerves, whatever else is verifiable and yet fascinating.

::The estrous cycle stuff in [[horse breeding]] may fit better in the article [[Mare (horse)]], which, by the way, isn't all that great and needs work (I get tired of "mares are evil, let's blame everything on the heat cycle" excuse for people who just don't know how to freakin' RIDE). I already did a big rewrite on the [[gelding]] article, and now someone from the UK who actually knows veterinary medicine is adding some great stuff on the castration procedure that I've been watching and is really impressive, so that one is probably in good enough shape for now. I also did a pretty big rewrite on [[stallion (horse)]], which originally was a real disaster. I improved it a bit, I hope. It would benefit, however, from a section on the reproductive anatomy also. Arguably, some of the AI stuff in horse breeding could move to the stallion article. Maybe, not sure...

::Generally, my take on how big an article gets is to do what happened with [[horse]] and [[equestrianism]] is to write the article until each section is so huge that it actually is it's own stand-alone article, at which point, one creates the article, does and cut and paste, then reduces the general article to a summary paragraph and adds the <nowiki>{{Main|Article name}}</nowiki> tag at the start of the section.

::So that's my two bits. Good editing! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 01:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

== New article needs your help ==

Hey, Yamameh is valiantly getting an article started titled [[Back (horse)]]. I dove in and tweaked a little, but it needs your help to create a good anatomy section, possibly just a cut and paste from the horse anatomy article. I think this is on the right track to be a separate article that we can link from both [[saddle]] and [[horse anatomy]], but it has some inaccuracies and needs improvement. I can speak quite a bit to external saddle fit and back structure, but you have the better grasp on the phraseology of the underlying stuff. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 17:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, can we source the poll article? The whole thing about the poll as the back of the occipital crest, i.e. a skull structure versus the poll joint where the bridle presses was brand new to me and I've had horses for something awfully close to 40 years. My Deb Bennett books confirmed this, but only by means of a sketch with no further discussion. It would be cool to have a sketch and source it to an anatomy text. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 17:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

::Quite a bit of work has been done on the [[Back (horse)]] article, we have some more images and Yamameh did a very cool thing and superimposed a skeleton over a photo. Take a look and see if you want to add anything, but I think that while any article always can use a little more work, it is now good enough to cross-link with the Main tamplate from either [[horse anatomy]], [[horse conformation]], or both. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]] 06:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

== Equine medicine articles ==

As I go through assessing the veterinary medicine articles, I find it difficult at times to correctly rate the importance of articles whose subject I am not too familiar with (or more likely, was familiar with ten years ago but have mostly forgotten). So if you could doublecheck my ratings on the equine articles as I assess them, I would appreciate it. If you're interested, there is a rough guide to importance ratings at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary medicine/Assessment]]. I'll leave this message over at Dlh-stablelight's and Montanabw's talk pages also, since I think of you three as the horse guys. --[[User:Joelmills|Joelmills]] 01:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

==Gelding==
Would you be able to drop over to [[Gelding]] - I reckon it's pretty much up to GA standard, what do you think?<br />[[User:Dlh-stablelights|Dlh-stablelights]] 22:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Respiratory system of the horse ==
Hi Eventer. You are off to such a great start on the article [[Respiratory system of the horse]] that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's [[Main Page]] under the '''Did you know...''' section. The Main Page gets about [http://toolserver.org/~leon/stats/wikicharts/index.php?wiki=enwiki&ns=articles&limit=100&month=06%2F2007&mode=view 4,000,000 hits per day] and appearing on the [[Main Page]] may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for '''Did you know...''' nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Suggestions|Did you know suggestions.]] If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#.22Good.22_articles_proposed_by_bot|"Good" articles proposed by bot]] list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Suggestions|Did you know suggestions]] for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- <font face="Kristen ITC">'''[[User:Jreferee|<font color="Blue">Jreferee</font>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Jreferee|Talk]])''</sup></font> 01:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
::Kindly use bold font for the topic on your entry for DYK. Thanks. - [[User:Rodsan18|Dragonbite]] 02:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

== Skeleton diagram...eep! ==

Have you looked CLOSELY at that skeleton diagram? I noticed that it has some SERIOUS inaccuracies (like mislabeling the sacrum as part of the lumbar and coccygeal vertebrae and saying that the horse has a collar bone when it doesn't!) It needs some relabeling and fixing. It's almost so bad we should consider removing it if we can't fix it, which is a real bummer because it's so clear... Worse yet, they are putting it up as a featured image! YIKES!!!! A couple examples that are more correct: http://www.horseracinghistory.co.uk/hrho/images/education/horse_skeleton.gif and http://www.classicbloodstock.com.au/skillsEDIT/clientuploads/39/horseskeleton.jpg Wish I could find something better. The image from commons I put into horse anatomy is barely labeled at all...sigh.[[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 05:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

::I alerted the author of the image and an admin but haven't heard anything. Ideally, if the author was willing, s/he could deconstruct the image and just send us the skeleton and we could re-label. It's a good image underneath. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 03:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

::Also, check out this image Image:BackofHorseLabeled.gif I'm going to ask the person who put that together if they can deconstruct the other image for us... [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 03:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

We have had help! See below. You want to label or shall I? I don't have photoshop, but can do something similar with other software. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 19:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

:Ok, I took out the labels and re-uploaded it. I noticed that the author had noticed the flaw in the collarbone area and had said he/she was going to fix it soon; so I uploaded it as Image:HorseanatomyUNLABELED.png. So now that image can be relabeled accurately. Cheers, --Yamenah 17:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

::The creator of the image went in and fixed it. I saw a couple of boo-boos and asked him/her to fix further. You may want to glance at it yourself and then weigh in at [[User talk:WikipedianProlific]] with any comments (maybe read my last post first...). [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 20:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== horse DYK ==

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}}{{#if:{{{6|}}}|, and '''''[[{{{6}}}]]'''''}}, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
|} <!-- [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] --> --[[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 16:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah this is cool! Check out [[Yak racing]]. Nice job -its amazing what is covered!! [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you?"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 16:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Riding project ==

Per the discussion at the [[jumping position]] article, I made a sandbox off from my user page to maybe create a whole new article on riding techniques in general. It's here: [[User:Montanabw/Sandbox]]. Dive in and help, or discuss, or whatever. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 19:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Great category ==

I'll try to add plants poisonous to equines when I come across a page, and have the supporting literature. Good thinking. [[User:KP Botany|KP Botany]] 22:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== New medal record box ==
Hallo Eventer, Thanks for making a new medal box. Now I can fill in some riders & horses medal info when I get the time. - [[User:Culnacreann|<font color="green"> Culnacréann</font>]] 15:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


== The Flying Dutchman ==
Excellent article!! [[User:Bcp67|Bcp67]] 18:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== Like you want more places to edit ==

Don't know if you are aware of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject horse training]]. It's a disaster, mostly filled with "natural horsemanship" folks who themselves don't really know much about training. Anyway, somehow people seem to think I should be in charge of it, but it's more than I can handle...your knowledge just of which people already have articles on it would be a help, would you take a pek? Thanks! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 03:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== HEEELLLLPPPP! ==

OK, things are just getting too weird for me. See the last discussion on the bottom of the page at [[Talk:Arabian horse]] and the recent edit history of the article. Seems the bestiality people have found the article and a bunch of idiots are threatening to edit it to say that Arabian stallions are vicious animals that engage in anal intercourse with humans. IIIICCCCCKKKKK! I need reinforcements! HELP! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 01:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

== Gendered language war ==

Heads up, someone doesn't like your use of "she" and is "fixing" everything to say "he." I reverted, he or she (!) reverted back, so to avoid 3 RR problems, I have fixed a couple articles to be totally gender-neutral, but this person seems to be on a crusade, so if you care about the issue (which I presume you do, given your original use of the female pronoun), heads up. See the spat on my talk page if you are interested. (sigh). [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 22:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

::'''On my discussion page, you left the following message'''
::''I wrote many of these articles using "she" because, as Montanabw stated, the majority of riders in the Western world are women. I also don't think the FEI statistics are necessarily accurate: the ratio of men to women evens out as you move up the levels, but the lower levels (all those riders who ''dont'' compete internationally) have a much higher proportion of women. And since this the English Wikipedia, I imagine that the majority of "horse people" reading it would be women. So feel free to make it gender neutral, but I see no reason to change everything to "he." And if you're looking to fix grammatical errors, I promise my articles have much bigger problems :) [[User:Eventer|Eventer]] 03:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)''

::Thanks for the note (and incidentally, I have enjoyed many of your articles).

::Another editor's clear inaccuracies notwithstanding, you may have a point about the FEI "Room to Grow" report. I was at the General Assembly where it was tabled, and to put it charitably, many countries had interests in overstating or understating their levels of amateur and professional participation (that was the year of the "development" debate over creating a focus on extending the sport to new areas). Nevertheless, I think it clearly demonstrates that while in countries like the United Kingdom and the United States it is easy to believe that the majority of riders must be women, on a global scale, this is ''at the very least'' an open question, if not conclusively inaccurate.

::Moreover, irrespective of the proportion of female riders in the UK and US, I am not certain that I agree with your conclusion that the majority of readers of horse articles in the English Wikipedia must be women: both India and Pakistan (with more than a billion people between them) have English as an official language, and the two countries' equestrian federations (whose statistics have always been sound) report far more male riders than female, at every level. In any event, (with apologies to all my French-speaking friends) English has become the ''lingua franca'' of the internet.

::The key issue for me, however, is neither a question of grammar (though grammar is important to me), nor a question of the ratio of male to female riders (though accuracy rather than the concocted "90%" statistic is also important to me). As a mother of a sports-mad family, I am well acquainted with the effects on both sports and the children who play them of pigeonholing some sports as being "for boys" and other as being "for girls". It always surprises me, however, that my daughter who plays football (American soccer) has much, much less difficulty than my sons who ride, whether for something as simple as finding kit or as something as serious as being allowed to participate at certain events or clubs.

::It strikes me that too many people who mouth the words of "gender neutral" language and "gender equity" are not really interested in equity, but instead are using a noble idea to mask the selfish and hypocritical pursuit of their own personal interests. I was curious to see what would happen if I changed the exclusive use of "she" to the exclusive use of "he" in the horse-oriented articles; "he" is no more gender-specific than "she", but it is grammatical and therefore a marginal improvement. The reaction from at least one person was, sadly, what I had expected. In many (though not all) cases, this person expressed outrage phrased in terms of "gender neutral" language, but then went on to revert to the exclusive "she" instead of the inclusive "he or she". I think this clearly gives the lie to any claim that people like this care about gender equity, instead of being just a different flavour of sexist.

::I have not changed and would not change any of the "he or she" phrases, but I have changed the exclusive use of "she" and will continue to do so. You are correct when you write that there are more important grammatical issues in Wikipedia. However, as a mother of both girls and boys, I hope that you will understand why I have made this one issue my own.

::[[User:Cowperson Jamie|Cowperson Jamie]] 13:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to drag you into this, Eventer, but these were your original edits (grin). However, it appears I am now the villian, but that's OK. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 00:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== Its and Hes and Shes ==

Hmmm...hadn't thought a lot about the horse as an "it" rule. This one, I admit, probably originated with me. (My horses would take issue with me if they knew I was doing this, I am sure!) But here is my reasoning. First off, unless the writing is done with great care, there can be considerable confusion as to whether a given personal pronoun is referring to a horse or a rider. (your use of "she" for the rider and "he" for the horse actually helped minimize confusion in that respect, but seems that protocol is coming under fire...and "he" the horse and "he" the rider becomes a nightmare to sort out!!!) That's probably the main reason I do this My second reason is probably my passion for non-gendered language, it's a simple solution, if a bit depersonalizing. Third, I find it annoying to consider all horses as "he," beyond my general annoyance at using "he" as a generic personal pronoun, I also feel inserts a subtle bias toward geldings. FYI, I share your view that modern useage allows both "she" and "he" to be used interchangably in some forms of writing. Admittedly, many horse magazines insist that the horse be referred to as "he" or "she" -- perhaps I shall begin sending in my submissions to hardcopy publications calling all horses "she" and see what happens! (evil anticipatory grin...bwahahahaha!) [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 02:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== Oh goddess of categories - a mission, if you choose to accept it ==

You are the categorization guru. Heads up that I created or expanded several articles on driving that probably are not where they need to be and maybe belong in some new category on driving that is somewhere within the general equestrianism category (I think the western disciplines are in their own category, for example...). Maybe there is a driving category already and I just couldn't find it. Anyway, the last time I tried to do categories, the wiki gods deleted my category, so I shall let the more experienced sorts figure it out -- like you! Anyway, here's the stuff to look at: [[Roadster (horse)]], [[Horse harness]], [[Driving (horse)]]. I suppose some other articles like [[harness racing]] and [[draft horse showing]] also should be in a horse driving category if one should be created...? Anyway, help with categorization would be welcomed! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 18:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== New articles ==

Just FYI, I created [[easy keeper]] and [[hard keeper]] today. With your interest in things equine health-related, you may want to peruse for accuracy and maybe some sourcing. (I confess to just writing these off the top of my head). Feel free to do cleanup as needed. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 22:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

==Invite==
There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Horses for a new "parent" horse project. If anyone who looks at this page is interested, they are more than welcome to indicate their support there. Also, there is a discussion over at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse breeds]] about whether to merge that project in or keep it as a spinoff. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 04:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== This is cool! ==

Someone created [[Template:Equidae]]. It's cool, it's easy to edit, it may be a great way to organize the horse articles. I strongly suggest we start to add it (like this: <nowiki>{{Template:Equidae}}</nowiki> at the bottom on any articles we are working on. I edited it a little to expand what was there, though we wouldn't want to let it get totally out of hand, but if the articles we put into it all have really good links to everything else under that general subject, that would work. I linked a couple of categories, too... Anyway, I like it and wanted to give you a heads up! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 23:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==CfD nomination of [[:Category:Plants poisonous to equines]]==
I have nominated {{lc|Plants poisonous to equines}} for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 19#Category:Plants poisonous to equines|the discussion page]]. Thank you. [[User:Lesnail|LeSnail]] ([[User talk:Lesnail|talk]]) 19:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Syrian (horse)==
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A '''[[Template:prod|proposed deletion]]''' template has been added to the article [[Syrian (horse)]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion|criteria for inclusion]], and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]" and [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Wikipedia's deletion policy]]). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <code>{{tl|dated prod}}</code> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on [[Talk:Syrian (horse)|its talk page]]. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion process]], the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion criteria]] or it can be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for Deletion]], where it may be deleted if [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add <code>{{tl|db-author}}</code> to the top of [[Syrian (horse)]]. <!-- Template:PRODWarning --> [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 08:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Stub ==

Oh great goddess of horse anatomy, I created [[Lameness (equine)]] due to a bunch of stubs floating around that need to be made into a single article. Can you lend a hand to recommend merges, find related articles, etc.? [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 21:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

==Invite to WikiProject Equine==
This is the official word: WikiProject Equine was quietly created by someone while the rest of us were endlessly discussing a WikiProject Horse. We have an official project! So let's go with it, and I am officially inviting you to formally join! Go to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Equine]], add your name to the list and see what you can contribute. If you haven't already joined [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds]] or one of the other "child" or "affiliated" wikiprojects at WikiProject Equine, please feel free to do so. Just trying to tag articles with the new templates has awakened me to the fact that there are over 1000 equine articles in Wikipedia! (My watchlist alone is now at something like 700+) There's much to do and plenty for everyone! Thanks! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 09:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Happy New Year ==
[[Image:FrogNewYearChampagne.jpg|left|thumb|128px|[[User:Culnacreann|<font color="green">

Culnacréann</font>]] wishes you a Happy New Year!]]

Hallo! I wish you a Happy New Year, all the best for 2008!. - [[User:Culnacreann|<font color="green">

Culnacréann</font>]] ([[User talk:Culnacreann|<font color="green">talk</font>]]) 22:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cross country obstacle articles ==

User:Montanabw and I have been discussing the cross country obstacle articles (many of which you started or significantly contributed to), and we feel that a single article with all of the types, linking to some of the articles on complicated/large ones such as water and combination jumps, and merging the others might be the answer, rather than individual articles for each type. You can see the start at [[Cross country obstacles]]. Please let me know if you have comments on this - because you're a main contributor on many of these articles we didn't want to step on your toes and do all the merging before giving you a chance to chip in with your two cents. Montana and my discussion has been taking place on her talk page, if you want to check out our rationale. Thanks! [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 03:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


==Precipitation (horse)==
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==Article importance scale for WikiProject Equine==
Hello. WikiProject Equine is discussing an article importance scale [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine#Top articles|here]]. Your POV would be appreciated. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] ([[User talk:Una Smith|talk]]) 17:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

Hey! You're back! Hi! Hope all is well! Much happening, check out [[WP:EQUINE|Wiki{roject Equine]] and sign up if you are going to be around...you did so many articles and they are getting discovered by more people than must fussy me. May want to look around a bit. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 03:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:On another note, you are doing a great job with the Olympics article! It's really interesting. (All I've done recently was expand [[Budweiser Clydesdales]], but had a lot of fun looking at the old commercials on YouTube) Anyway, on the Olympics article, FYI, if you have any sources, we are starting to try and footnote articles as we go, or at the least, put the source(s) we are using at the end as a reference. Take a look at what we had to do to [[Thoroughbred]] -- we got it to Featured Article status! Hooray! But OMG, the footnoting...Ealdgyth and Dana did more citation than I did, they need the biggest pat on the back, but my point is that we seem to be moving that way more and more...just so's ya knows... (grin) [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 05:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion of "Bertelan de Nemethy" ==

[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|48px|left]] A page you created, [[:Bertelan de Nemethy]], has been tagged for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]], as it meets one or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]]; specifically, it redirects from an implausible misspelling.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our [[Wikipedia:List of policies#Content and Style|content policies]] and any applicable [[Wikipedia:Notability|inclusion guidelines]]. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|introduction to editing]] and [[Wikipedia:Your first article|guide to writing your first article]].

Thanks. - [[User:Tholly|<font color="green">'''tholly'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Tholly|<font color="black">''--Turnip--''</font>]]</small></sup> 18:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[Kladruber]] ==

Hi Eventer, [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kladruber&diff=next&oldid=184672481 your edit]: How do you know that this horse (in the infobox) is a stallion or did you just forget to remove it? There's nothing written on the image's description page about the sex. I think it looks more like a gelding. --[[User:Klara Rosa|Klara Rosa]] ([[User talk:Klara Rosa|talk]]) 19:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

== Citation ==

Hey, nice job adding cites to [[double bridle]] and other articles. A quick hint: When you use the same cite multiple times, after the first instance (say <nowiki><ref name="Name">Full article citation</ref></nowiki>), every time thereafter, you can use <nowiki><ref name="Name"/></nowiki> instead of having to do the full cite over and over again. (Look at how I did [[equine nutrition]]). Or, if that is confusing, ask Ealdgyth, the goddess of citation. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 07:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Horse murders article request for editors ==

Hello, all --

I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the [[John Edwards]] and [[Rielle Hunter]] affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century [[horse murders]] scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck, conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the background for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called [[Story of my Life]] by [[Jay McInerney]]. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the actual horse killing scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York Times and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood." An FBI investigation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper and general equestrian sports world on charges of [[insurance fraud]].

When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam, and her own father was one of the orchestrators of the criminal activities. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there wss no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. An article was just created today, but it is not comprehensive in scope and needs to be expanded greatly lest it be deleted. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess [[Helen Brach]] whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murders scandal, and it too could use improvement.

I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write the [[horse murders]] article, and to link it to the Helen Brach murder, [[show jumping]], and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual field of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.

If you need sources to cite, you can find the best of them at the Rielle Hunter page in the section on her early life and family. Here are two more:

[[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE0D8173FF936A3575AC0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
New York Times, On Killing Horses for Money: A Craftsman's Dirty Secrets, by Don Terry, Published: September 5, 1993]]

[[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E5DF1639F933A05753C1A963958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
New York Times, Horse Show; Equestrians Facing Competition and Lingering Scandal, by Robin Finn, Published: October 30, 1995]]

I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.

Sincerely, catherine yronwode [[User:Catherineyronwode|Catherineyronwode]] ([[User talk:Catherineyronwode|talk]]) 02:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Draw reins and running reins ==

Hi. I have split [[Draw reins and running reins]], an article you have contributed to, into [[Draw rein]] and [[Running rein]]. Does that work for you? I had to guess about where to put some of the content; some paragraphs were not clear which thing was being discussed. Also, [[Martingale (tack)]] still has a lot of content about running reins aka German Martingale aka Market Harborough, which I think should be moved to [[Running rein]]. Basically, [[Martingale (tack)]] should also be split in two, along the lines of what I have done with the redirects to it in [[:Template:Reins]]. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] ([[User talk:Una Smith|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia! I am amazed to find your talk page empty... because you have made some very nice contributions to Wikipedia. However, I wanted to ask you for a huge favor: could you please tag them for proper category and proper stub? It's very simple. Most articles would go with {{horse-stub}}. if you have any questions - drop a line on my talk page. Thank you in advance! And thanks for those amazing articles you've created! Renata3 01:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Welcome back!

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Hey! You're back! Welcome back! Hooray! Good to see you here. What's been happening since you were last over here, several years ago...? Montanabw(talk) 20:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's been a while! Working, school, etc… now in vet school. Hoping to add to some of the veterinary articles! I have been doing a few edits here-and-there just using an IP address, but now that I have access to good resources I will probably come on more often and contribute!
I do need to get a refresher course on internal citation… where on wikipedia would I look for that information? Although I may just be able to figure it out by opening an article in "edit" and see how it is done there. Eventer (talk) 20:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Vet school ! Yay for you! (bows) Yeah, the thing that has changed a lot is that they are way more anal about citation now than they used to be, particularly the science-oriented articles. Folks really like to see the citation templates used now too, which makes formatting more consistent. WP:CITE isn't a real great page for explaining the current state of the art but does list the basics. IMHO, the best way to do citations these days is to click on the "cite" link in the edit box and then use the pull down "templates" menu to just fill in all the parameters and it will build a citation template for you. Or, another quick and dirty method, though you often have to do some touching up is to use the interactive mode in reflinks: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks You just put the raw URLs between ref tags, then run reflinks on the article, and it formats everything, though it uses web page data, so sometimes you still have to do manual fixes. If you want to steal a copy and paste, the last article I took through WP:FA was Mucho Macho Man, and you can certainly swipe any style or formatting there. For science oriented articles, I helped review rainbow trout for FAC, which used some science sources. It's now a few years old, but a person working on her advance degree in genetics worked with me and she got dominant white to GA, and that used a lot of peer-reviewed literature, though the formatting of the citations is not quite the way we'd do them now. WikiProject Equine (WT:EQUINE) (aka WPEQ) definitely needs/wants work done on the main colic and laminitis articles, they are high importance, but suck-egg quality. I'd be more than glad to birddog the formatting stuff if you want to do the tech. Montanabw(talk) 08:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I reverted your edit at the Glossary of equestrian terms, not because it was wrong, but because we are really fussy about sourcing everything added to that article and have done so since it was created. Ditto North American Thoroughbred horse racing terminology. Just find a good source and then re-add. Montanabw(talk) 03:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Just so you know, for the laminitis article see commons category of images plus my (kinda blurry) File:Coffin bone and horseshoe.jpg, File:Coffin bone front view.jpg, File:Coffin bone, side view.jpg. Montanabw(talk) 02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While you are at it...

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Nice work on Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction. Care to also take a whack at Equine Metabolic Syndrome? It needs work! Montanabw(talk) 06:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, hoping to add to it at some point! Still need to do finish PPID (add in treatment, clean it all up, its not very well-written right now!) Exams are coming up, so it will probably be a while, but I hope to get to it in December.Eventer (talk) 00:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
All you can do is for the good! Thanks! Montanabw(talk) 00:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Another one for your to do list!

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Needs a lot of work: Equine drug testing. Montanabw(talk) 04:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, I'll see what I can do. Although I'll admit my knowledge of drug testing is pretty limited! Eventer (talk) 13:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can handle the rules stuff, it's the science and the impact of drugs/health consequences/ masking effects stuff that makes me want to rip my hair out! Montanabw(talk) 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and, FYI, on your articles, try to use the citation templates, the cite journal one (in editing window, click the "cite" link then pull down the "templates" menu. Sometimes - not always - the template will even populate the entire ref if you pop in the DOI or PMID and click the little magnifying glass by the field - you can also do this with ISBNs in the cite book template.) It makes it super easier for others if there is a linked citation, even if just to the abstract! Montanabw(talk) 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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And I'm willing to help

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I'm realizing that the equine lameness and treatment articles are getting unwieldy. I tagged them to generate some discussion. I think the solution is to make both into lists of a sort where they can be linked to more detailed articles on each type or treatment. A lot of potential, work, but I'm willing to help! Montanabw(talk) 01:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly of interest

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You used to work on this article, you may be interested in this discussion: Talk:Jumping_(horse)#Requested_move_10_September_2015. Montanabw(talk) 05:29, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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