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The result was speedy delete. G12 — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ştefan Balş

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No references, notability not established for over 5 years. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 15:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Google Books is giving me a lot of hits in Romanian, as I might expect. A reading of the article suggests the sort of accomplishments that ought to be covered in reliable sources; that those sources aren't included in the article (or aren't in English) does not a reason for deletion make. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per WP:PROF criterion 3. A year before his death, he was elected an honorary member of the Romanian Academy, and I would argue that any member of that body is notable.
Having said that, yes, the lack of references is glaring, and at some point, that should be addressed. Unfortunately, what's online, even in books, is mainly just routine mentions (Balş restored this church, Balş restored that church), so this article may actually require (!) print sources. - Biruitorul ^Talk 17:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough has emerged including his election to the Romanian Academy to show that he is notable. Moreover, there is no reason to suggest that the article is incorrect although it could doubtless be considerably expanded. --AJHingston (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As mentioned, qualifies under WP:PROF#3. He is also subject of a biography in the Grove Dictionary of Art.. Actually, on further review, Delete as a verbatim copy of copyrighted text from Grove. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:20, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 23:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was    '''speedy delete'''. [[WP:G12|G12]] —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 17:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
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-No references, notability not established for over 5 years. '''[[User:Puffin|<font color="teal">Puffin</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Puffin|<b><sup><small>Let's talk!</small></sup></b>]]'' 15:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
+No references, notability not established for over 5 years. '''[[User:Puffin|<span style="color:teal;">Puffin</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Puffin|<b><sup><small>Let's talk!</small></sup></b>]]'' 15:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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 *'''Comment''': Google Books is giving me a lot of hits in Romanian, as I might expect. A reading of the article suggests the sort of accomplishments that ought to be covered in reliable sources; that those sources aren't included in the article (or aren't in English) does not a reason for deletion make. [[User:Squeamish Ossifrage|Squeamish Ossifrage]] ([[User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage|talk]]) 22:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
+*'''Weak keep''' per [[WP:PROF]] criterion 3. A year before his death, [http://www.acad.ro/bdar/armembriLit.php?vidT=B he was elected] an honorary member of the [[Romanian Academy]], and I would argue that any member of that body is notable.
+*Having said that, yes, the lack of references is glaring, and at some point, that should be addressed. Unfortunately, what's online, even in books, is mainly just routine mentions (Balş restored this church, Balş restored that church), so this article may actually require (!) print sources. - [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Biruitorul|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Enough has emerged including his election to the Romanian Academy to show that he is notable. Moreover, there is no reason to suggest that the article is incorrect although it could doubtless be considerably expanded. --[[User:AJHingston|AJHingston]] ([[User talk:AJHingston|talk]]) 10:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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+*<s>'''Keep''' As mentioned, qualifies under [[WP:PROF]]#3.  He is also subject of a biography in the ''Grove Dictionary of Art''.</s>. Actually, on further review, '''Delete''' as a verbatim copy of copyrighted text from ''Grove''. --[[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 22:20, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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