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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash! ^(Y) 04:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Cloutier

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Lack of notability. Ottawa City Council does not imply notability,and he hasn't been elected to higher office. DGG ( talk ) 22:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - does not meet WP:POLITICIAN criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 00:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:13, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It has been decided previously that Ottawa was notable enough for its city councillors to have articles. It is an internationally known city as it is the capital of a G8 country. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Meets WP:POLITICIAN criteria as a city councilor of a national capital and well-known and large international city.--TM 10:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While it's true that serving on a city council is not generally accepted as a notability claim in most cities, it is accepted as a notability claim, fully satisfying WP:NPOL, if the city is an internationally famous global city such as Toronto, New York City, Washington, D.C., San Francisco or London. And that class of cities does include Ottawa — whenever deletion has been attempted in the past on an Ottawa city councillor, consensus has always landed at a keep, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the consensus to permit articles about city councillors in internationally famous metropolitan global cities has deteriorated at all. The sourcing here definitely needs improvement, but improvement is possible and the basic notability claim is sufficient under both WP:NPOL and WP:POLOUTCOMES. Keep and flag for refimprove. Bearcat (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. Councillors in a capital city of 900,000 by all means will "have received significant press coverage" to satisfy WP:POLITICIAN. Hwy43 (talk) 05:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Lack of notability. Ottawa City Council does not imply notability,and he hasn't been elected to higher office. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 22:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 :'''Delete''' - does not meet [[WP:POLITICIAN]] criteria.--[[User:Rpclod|Rpclod]] ([[User talk:Rpclod|talk]]) 00:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ontario|list of Ontario-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politicians|list of Politicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:13, 25 April 2015 (UTC)</small>
+:'''Keep''' - It has been decided previously that Ottawa was notable enough for its city councillors to have articles.  It is an internationally known city as it is the capital of a G8 country. -- [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 02:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
+:'''Keep'''- Meets [[WP:POLITICIAN]] criteria as a city councilor of a national capital and well-known and large international city.--[[User:Namiba|TM]] 10:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
+*While it's true that serving on a city council is not ''generally'' accepted as a notability claim in ''most'' cities, it ''is'' accepted as a notability claim, fully satisfying [[WP:NPOL]], if the city is an internationally famous [[global city]] such as [[Toronto]], [[New York City]], [[Washington, D.C.]], [[San Francisco, California|San Francisco]] or [[London]]. And that class of cities ''does'' include Ottawa — whenever deletion has been attempted in the past on an Ottawa city councillor, consensus has ''always'' landed at a keep, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the consensus to permit articles about city councillors in internationally famous metropolitan global cities has deteriorated at all. The sourcing here definitely needs improvement, but improvement ''is'' possible and the basic notability claim ''is'' sufficient under both [[WP:NPOL]] and [[WP:POLOUTCOMES]]. '''Keep''' and flag for refimprove. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 23:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
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+<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size:x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 06:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div>
+*'''Keep''' per above. Councillors in a capital city of 900,000 by all means will "have received significant press coverage" to satisfy [[WP:POLITICIAN]]. [[User:Hwy43|Hwy43]] ([[User talk:Hwy43|talk]]) 05:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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