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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 06:58, 23 October 2010 [1].

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2012 phenomenon

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Nominator(s): Serendi^podous 15:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC), User:Cosmic Latte, User:PL, User:Shii, User:HRIN

I am nominating this for featured article because it has undergone substantial expansion since becoming a good article and I believe it now meets the criteria Serendi^podous 15:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - no dab links, no dead external links, will likely comment more later. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment—the title given for http://dsc.discovery.com/space/my-take/nibiru-armageddon-david-morrison.html in this article does not match the title on the linked page. Ucucha 19:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.Serendi^podous 19:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comments

• shouldn't there be a small section on popular culture (i.e. Hollywood making tons of money with the movie)?
• while appropriate, the use of the term "eschatological" in the first sentence of the article should be accompanied by a short explanatory note (I would prefer in parenthesis)
• None of the proposed alignments or formulae has been accepted by mainstream scholarship. seems to be aimed mostly at NASA's opinion and I think that is really not the case. Try to clarify "the proposed alignments" a bit
• I would add a quick explanatory note for " b'ak'tun " at its first use
• The writing system of the classic Maya has been substantially deciphered, needs a citation
• Unlike the 52-year Calendar Round still used among the Maya, misses a "today" at the end
• Many Mayan inscriptions have the count shifting to a higher order after 13 b'ak'tuns, or roughly 5,125 years. so there is another unit above baktuns? or you meant to say at the end of the 13th baktun? (or 12th?)
• do baktuns start at 0 or at 1? (i.e. Gregorian calendar started at 1/1/1). If you say after 13th baktun, and then say that in 2012 is 13.0.0.0.0 is implied that the "first day" was 0.0.0.0.1 (and not 1.1.1.1.1)
• it is not clear at all why would the 4th world end on 13.0.0.0.0. After reading the text, it would appear more likely to me to have 20.0.0.0.0 as the end of the 4th world. Try to clarify why is 13th important (is this a mixing of the American mythology with regards to the number 13?). I guess try to state clearly that in Mayan culture there is nothing special about 13 earlier in the article.
• "Maya references to B'ak'tun 13" should probably be MayaN

Will add more later. Nergaal (talk) 19:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comments 2c 2c is generally lovely in the References, it is inconsistent in the citations, these are extensive fixits. Someone really needs to do a 1c checking that unreliable sources are being used correctly to establish or illustrate opinions, and to delve into whether unbook published conference papers like David Webster (September 25, 2007). were peer reviewed. Someone needs to do a detailed check for SELF and FRINGE being used to support facts instead of attributed opinions. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Further reading: needs states for US locations for all locations (San Francisco may be notable... but so is New York)
  • Further reading: Jenkins Pyramid of Fire (2004), Galactic Alignment (2002), Tzolkin (1994) need to be cited correctly
  • References: throughout: publisher locations & States, ie: Argüelles, José (1975). Transformative Vision (1st ed.). Shambhala.
  • References: Extraneous period: Inner Traditions/Bear and Company..  ; Berkeley.: University of California Press.
  • References: McKenna, Terence and Dennis (1975). and McKenna, Terence and Dennis (1993). differ on the presentation of a title within a title, I Ching versus I Ching
  • References: Is Morsels a series? Probably needs [Series] behind it. Meeus, Jean (1997). Ecliptic and galactic equator. Mathematical Astronomy Morsels.
  • References: Citation incomplete: Van Stone, Mark (2008). "It's Not the End of the World: What the Ancient Maya Tell Us About 2012". FAMSI.
  • Citations: Vincent H. Malmström (March 19, 2003). is a SELF; why is it reliable.
  • Citations: Retrieval dates out of style: Retrieved 2009-11-03.
  • Citations, references: mix of pp.### ; pp. ### ; ###. Pick one, stick to it.
  • Citations: Citations like this "Schele (1992, pp.93–95)" are out of your style of "Coe 1966, p. 149"
  • Citations: Citations not being full citations of newly introduced works vary between terminal full stops and an absence of terminal full stops. Pick one.
  • Citations: Way out of style: The end of time: Maya calendar runs out soon, but don't panic, Rory Carroll, The Guardian, 13 October 2009, retrieved 22 October 2009. The Guardian takes italics. Rory Carroll appears to be an author. "The end of time:…" appears to be a title. (13 October 2009) appears to be a publication date.
  • Citations: ""The Great Cycle – Its Projected Beginning"" "Its Projected Beginning" appears to be a subtitle; use colon?
  • Citations: I am having great difficulty understanding how "[A man… tying a] date to astrology and the prophecies of the Hopi" can be explained by a citation to a work "et. seq."; there is no apparently sequence in "and the Appendix, in Waters 1975, pp. 256–264, 265–271, 285 et seq." Perhaps you mean 285ff. or 285—ff. depending on how you feel you ought to present it?
  • Citations: Spacing: McKenna&McKenna 1975
  • Citations: Multi Author Style: Foo and Bar versus Foo & Bar versus Leonhardt R, Fabian K, Winklhofer M, Ferk A, Laj C, Kissel C
  • Citations: Spacing: (the more specific date of December 21 appeared in the 1993 revision of The Invisible LandscapeMcKenna&McKenna 1993)
  • Citations: Multi Author Style for Initial Citation, compare to references style; New York Post surely is a print work? Philip J. Hilts, Mary Battiata (1987-08-16). "Planets Won't Attend Astronomical Celebration". New York Post. Retrieved 2009-11-04.
  • Citations: The work ""Teapot of Sagittarius points to galactic center". EarthSky. Retrieved 2009-11-03." is authored by Bruce McClure who would appreciate being acknowledged for his efforts.
  • Citations: SELF, CAPS, "Stross, Brian. "XIBALBA OR XIBALBE""
  • Citations: John Major Jenkins (2005). &tc published at alignement2012.com. Standardise your referencing of the containing site. Some don't have it, some do.
  • Citations: Name Order Consistency of newly introduced citations: Aimers, J. J., and Rice, P. M. (2006). compared to John Major Jenkins (2005)
  • Citations: What work is this work contained in? Ralph Abraham and Terence McKenna (June 1983). "Dynamics of Hyperspace". Santa Cruz, California: Ralph Abraham. Retrieved 2009-10-14.
  • Citations: Hancock 1995, p. 499, ff. 27. do you mean Hancock 1995, p. 499 and 27 following folios? do you mean Hancock 1995, p. 499, p. 27ff.? Do you mean Hancock 1995, pp. 499–526?
  • Citations: Possible online magazines, if so, Italics for their publication title?: Sky and Telescope. Starry Night Times.
  • Citations: Italics please: San Diego Union Tribune. Month Day if possible.
  • Citations: How is "Universe Today" the publisher of this citation: "Questions Show: Alignment with the Galactic Plane, Destruction from Venus, and the Death of the Solar System". Astronomy Cast. Universe Today. October 10, 2008. Retrieved 2009-10-14. ?
  • Citations: Michael Szpir. [undated] was actually published on a date, in a particular volume and issue. Find out.
  • Citations: David Morrison (2010). lacks a publisher when there's a publisher indicated (astrobiology.NASA judging from the hosting domain, check the publication and its context)
  • Citations: Does Universe Today and Universe Today deserve italics or not? Ian O'Neill (June 21, 2008).
  • Citations: SELF being used to support fact: Mike Brown (February 2, 2008).

Further comments, leaning oppose

• Check formatting per MoS (dates) - dates like "the 21st of October" should be expressed like "21 October". Also, date formatting should be consistently either "day month year" or "month day, year"
• Don't duplicate cited sources in External links
• Don't duplicate main-article links in article text
• Per WP:OVERLINK, simple concepts like Earth should not be wikilinked, and all terms should not be wikilinked more than once or twice (particularly not in close proximity)
• "In 1987, the year in which he held the Harmonic Convergence event, Arguelles settled on the date of December 21 in his book The Mayan Factor: Path Beyond Technology,[46][47] in which he claimed on that date the Earth would pass through a great "beam" from the centre of the Galaxy, and that the Maya aligned their calendar in anticipation of that event" - split into 2-3 sentences for ease of reading
• "suspicion towards mainstream Western culture" - source for this quote?
• Why are some shortened citations linked to their corresponding references and others not?
• Missing citation details for Schele 1992
• Need to maintain a consistent reference format
• Several sources in References do not appear in Citations
• Image check: Is the Timewave Zero software copyrighted? If so, that screenshot cannot be PD. Please verify licensing. Other images appear unproblematic. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Closing: No input for nine days, extensive cleanup needed (we've been over the issues before with formatting of citation-- pls bring back when these issues are corrected, in a few weeks. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:54, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

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