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The result was '''keep'''. Valid arguments on either side and no consensus to delete; default to keep. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:<span style="color:#FF4F00;">'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.'''</span><br /> |
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:<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —[[User:Darkwind|Darkwind]] ([[User talk:Darkwind|talk]]) 23:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --> |
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* '''Relister's comment:''' Despite the length of the discussion above, it was only between two people. Relisted to encourage additional participation. —[[User:Darkwind|Darkwind]] ([[User talk:Darkwind|talk]]) 23:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Relister's comment:''' Despite the length of the discussion above, it was only between two people. Relisted to encourage additional participation. —[[User:Darkwind|Darkwind]] ([[User talk:Darkwind|talk]]) 23:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. ''Sports Illustrated'', ''[[USA Today]]''[http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sunbelt/2009-08-24-northtexas_N.htm], ''[[The Dallas Morning News]]''[http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/unt-mean-green/20110105-football-riley-dodge-decides-to-transfer.ece] and the [[Bleacher Report]][http://bleacherreport.com/articles/374837-riley-dodge-is-no-longer-unts-quarterback] are more than sufficient to establish notability. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 01:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC) |
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** Bleacher Report is not a reliable source, the Dallas and USA Today sources is trivial, routine coverage that all athletes get, we only have the SI source but I explain that below. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 03:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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***In the USA Today reference, his name in the title. That's not "trivial" -- that's a featured article. The Dallas Morning News article is a feature article on the subject. And apparently [[Bleacher Report]] (see article) has significantly cleaned up their act and recieved praise from Forbes.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 17:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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** USA Today was about him playing for his father and more focused on his father if anything, the Dallas source is "Football: Riley Dodge decides to transfer", extremely routine coverage. After that coverage simply disappeared. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' The si.com article is substantial coverage about both the son and the father. The reason they may be particularly interested in him is because of his father, but that's a real world interest, and it should not matter to us why the RW is interested, only that they ''are'' interested. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 01:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' when we are dealing with these kind of articles, high-school standouts that never achieved any major playing time, we treat it like a [[WP:BLP1E]]. Arguably the SI source is substantial coverage, but it is mostly because of the "father" and discusses the son high-school career. If he didn't had a very notable father, he would have never gotten that coverage. The other sources linked above are all trivial, routine mentions all college athletes get, especially the Dallas source (a school transfer to a Division III school) Clear cut [[WP:BLP1E]], never was notable under our guidelines. If he played extensively for a major college program or had major coverage covering his college career, I'll see a reason for keeping, but there is none. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 03:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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**''Question'' what policy or guideline states that "when we are dealing with these kind of articles, high-school standouts that never achieved any major playing time, we treat it like a [[WP:BLP1E]]" ? I found nothing in [[WP:BLP1E]] that would lead to that interpretation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 11:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*** The BLP1E is be the high school career here, and no other claims of notability outside that, no decent college career, no professional career, nothing else. If anything a merge to his father page is a good solution, as most of the coverage is mostly focused on him playing for his father. Again if it wasn't for his father, he would have never had an article. Paul can we agree on a merge here instead? [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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****I don't think so. You call a feature articles "routine coverage" and take a four-year span of time and lump it into "one event" -- I think you're being excessive in the interpretation of the guidelines and are really coloring outside the lines. There is nothing that I can find that would deem to take his "high school career" as you put it and lump it into "one event" -- nor is there any reason to consider the feature articles pointed out here to be "routine coverage", nor have the other articles and web references mentioned above about his college career been addressed, and nor has the case of notability being lost (which you cannot do in Wikipedia). Subject clearly passes [[WP:GNG]].--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 18:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' Secret summed up my feeling well. We need a very high bar for high school athletes, his closest claim of notability was his high school career. He would not have received the coverage if his father wasn't famous. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</span> 16:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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**''Question'' you do realize that he is not a high school athlete anymore, don't you?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 17:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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***yes, I commented that his biggest claim to notability was his high school career. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</span> 17:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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