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The result was keep; consensus is that she scrapes by with an independent claim of notability. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya Haden

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Though I am not a big fan of the WP:BLP1E argument, it seems clear to me that this woman is not notable outside of being married to Jack Black, and thus that this article is indeed a BLP1E. If there is any content here that cannot already be found at her husband's article, we should just merge it there (since it will almost certainly be about Black marrying her). Jinkinson talk to me 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I have just realized that this article has been nominated for deletion twice before. The first discussion closed as "no consensus", and the second was speedy closed because it was made too soon after the first. In any case, in these previous debates, some voters observed, correctly, that notability is not inherited from being related to someone who is famous. Jinkinson talk to me 04:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 04:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've been searching, but it is tough to find anything about her other than articles about her wedding or her pregnancies. I did find a little about her in Musician (issue 212–217), 1996. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Member of multiple seemingly notable groups: The Hayden Triplets [1], Let's Go Sailing [2]; also associated with Charlie Haden and that dog as noted by the Musician article cited above. 78.19.9.121 (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I understand the rationale for the nomination, but i think she makes it thru WP:GNG. what's a bit crazy is that due to her celebrity marriage, it crowds out most of her other coverage, and if she wasn't married to black we'd probably find it easier to say she's notable. But this is certainly a better case for notability than something like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Larson (3rd nomination), where the connection to the celebrity is the only real argument for meeting GNG. (Larson was later deleted at a fourth afd.)--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Hopefully the additions that were just made will help to clarify her career as a visual artist, cellist, and vocalist apart from her marriage to Jack Black. 21:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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+The result was    '''keep'''; consensus is that she scrapes by with an independent claim of notability. <span style="font-family: Maiandra GD">[[User:Mojo Hand|Mojo Hand]] ''([[User talk:Mojo Hand|talk]])''</span> 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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-Though I am not a big fan of the [[WP:BLP1E]] argument, it seems clear to me that this woman is not notable outside of being married to [[Jack Black]], and thus that this article is indeed a BLP1E. If there is any content here that cannot already be found at her husband's article, we should just merge it there (since it will almost certainly be about Black marrying her). [[User:Jinkinson|<font color="green">Jinkinson</font>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<font color="blue">talk to me</font>]] 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
+Though I am not a big fan of the [[WP:BLP1E]] argument, it seems clear to me that this woman is not notable outside of being married to [[Jack Black]], and thus that this article is indeed a BLP1E. If there is any content here that cannot already be found at her husband's article, we should just merge it there (since it will almost certainly be about Black marrying her). [[User:Jinkinson|<span style="color:green;">Jinkinson</span>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<span style="color:blue;">talk to me</span>]] 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
-:'''Update''': I have just realized that this article has been nominated for deletion twice before. The first discussion closed as "no consensus", and the second was speedy closed because it was made too soon after the first. In any case, in these previous debates, some voters observed, correctly, that notability is [[WP:NOTINHERITED|not inherited]] from being related to someone who is famous. [[User:Jinkinson|<font color="green">Jinkinson</font>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<font color="blue">talk to me</font>]] 04:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
+:'''Update''': I have just realized that this article has been nominated for deletion twice before. The first discussion closed as "no consensus", and the second was speedy closed because it was made too soon after the first. In any case, in these previous debates, some voters observed, correctly, that notability is [[WP:NOTINHERITED|not inherited]] from being related to someone who is famous. [[User:Jinkinson|<span style="color:green;">Jinkinson</span>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<span style="color:blue;">talk to me</span>]] 04:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
-:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Jinkinson|<font color="green">Jinkinson</font>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<font color="blue">talk to me</font>]] 04:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Jinkinson|<span style="color:green;">Jinkinson</span>]] [[User talk:Jinkinson|<span style="color:blue;">talk to me</span>]] 04:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)</small>
-* I've been searching, but it is tough to find anything about her other than articles about her wedding or her pregnancies. I did find [http://books.google.ca/books?id=l5AJAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Tanya+Haden%22&dq=%22Tanya+Haden%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H6jcUu3JG_K_sQTOj4H4Cg&redir_esc=y a little about her] in ''[[Musician (magazine)|Musician]]'' (issue 212–217), 1996. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 05:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
+* I've been searching, but it is tough to find anything about her other than articles about her wedding or her pregnancies. I did find [http://books.google.ca/books?id=l5AJAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Tanya+Haden%22&dq=%22Tanya+Haden%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H6jcUu3JG_K_sQTOj4H4Cg&redir_esc=y a little about her] in ''[[Musician (magazine)|Musician]]'' (issue 212–217), 1996. [[User:Paul Erik|<span style="font-family:Comic sans MS;">Paul Erik</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Paul Erik|<span style="color:blue;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|<span style="color:green;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup></small> 05:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 :<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/California|list of California-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)</small>
 *'''Keep''' Member of multiple seemingly notable groups: The Hayden Triplets [http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/the-haden-triplets-spin-a-sisterly-folk-spell-premiere-20140113], Let's Go Sailing [http://www.allmusic.com/artist/lets-go-sailing-mn0001918807/biography]; also associated with [[Charlie Haden]] and [[that dog]] as noted by the ''Musician'' article cited above. [[Special:Contributions/78.19.9.121|78.19.9.121]] ([[User talk:78.19.9.121|talk]]) 17:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''':  I understand the rationale for the nomination, but i think she makes it thru WP:GNG.  what's a bit crazy is that due to her celebrity marriage, it crowds out most of her other coverage, and if she wasn't married to black we'd probably find it easier to say she's notable.  But this is certainly a better case for notability than something like [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Larson (3rd nomination)]], where the connection to the celebrity is the only real argument for meeting GNG.  (Larson was later deleted at a fourth afd.)--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 17:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' Hopefully the additions that were just made will help to clarify her career as a visual artist, cellist, and vocalist apart from her marriage to Jack Black.
+*'''Keep''' Hopefully the additions that were just made will help to clarify her career as a visual artist, cellist, and vocalist apart from her marriage to Jack Black. 21:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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