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The result was no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sobha City

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Reasons: Article is about a real-estate project in Thrissur, India. Not notable under WP:GNG. No detailed coverage in third party reliable sources. Moreover, it is just a residential area without any significance whatsoever. Had placed proposal for deletion which was removed by an IP user, however reason given was " have edited out ‘first gated community’ fame from the article. Even removed promotional tone from the article". This user did not address the concerns raised by me Shekure (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Tier III city problem The said project has been widely covered by all kinds of publications across Malayalam and English. And it has been one of biggest integrated township in Kerala, including a shopping mall. When you say it is just a real estate project I don’t agree with you. Thrissur is Tier III city. Show me a Tier III city in India where you can see a project like this, with a man made lake and shopping mall. Think globally and act locally. If it has been in Mumbai or Bangalore the story will be different.

114.143.76.2 (talk) 13:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — Baseball Watcher 15:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CommentNot enough for notability still Please point to links of coverage in any Malayalam or English newspapers from Kerala, which can be considered as reliable third party resources. Other than coverage of announcements by Sobha group. Otherwise, it is still not notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. Having a shopping mall and a man made lake does not make it any special or any more than a real-estate project. I have nothing against Sobha city or Thrissur. My contention is only that Wikipedia is not a place for this. Shekure (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The article has been covered in multiple reliable sources like The Hindu, The Business Line, The Business Standard, The Economic Times etc. Some of the links.

Comment I'm leaving this to others after this comment.

I checked the articles: 1) Economic Times - Nothing other than a description of real estate project and that lot of people are buying it 2) Reuters - No mention of Sobha city 3) Financial Express - Sponsored article disclaimer 4) Livemint -One line about Sobha city having ayurvedic spas 5) Equity bulls - coverage of announcement of the project by company to the shareholders 6) Gulf times- again coverage of announcement of project

The residential project is still under construction and the article would serve as nothing but an advertisement. According to Wikipedia:Notability_(geography), this belongs to the category Populated places without legal recognition. The non-official information on the project is trivial and merely contain description of the amenities. After the project is completed, the information on it can be added to the page of Thrissur or to that of Sobha Developers, if it is notable then.

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On a final note, the same IP user who have posted the above comments from 2 different accounts (User talk:124.124.211.93, User:114.143.76.2) also seems to have created the page using the account User Talk:Jpullokaran. Please stick to one account while posting and it is fair to mention that you created the page.

Shekure (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was    '''no consensus'''. [[User:Ron Ritzman|Ron Ritzman]] ([[User talk:Ron Ritzman|talk]]) 01:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
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 Reasons: Article is about a real-estate project in [[Thrissur]], India. Not notable under WP:GNG. No detailed coverage in third party reliable sources. Moreover, it is just a residential area without any significance whatsoever.
 Had placed proposal for deletion which was removed by an IP user, however reason given was " have edited out ‘first gated community’ fame from the article. Even removed promotional tone from the article". This user did not address the concerns raised by me [[User:Shekure|Shekure]] ([[User talk:Shekure|talk]]) 13:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
+'''A Tier III city problem'''
+The said project has been widely covered by all kinds of publications across Malayalam and English. And it has been one of biggest integrated township in Kerala, including a shopping mall. When you say it is just a real estate project I don’t agree with you. Thrissur is Tier III city. Show me a Tier III city in India where you can see a project like this, with a man made lake and shopping mall. Think globally and act locally. If it has been in Mumbai or Bangalore the story will be different.
+[[Special:Contributions/114.143.76.2|114.143.76.2]] ([[User talk:114.143.76.2|talk]]) 13:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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+'''Comment'''Not enough for notability still
+Please point to links of coverage in any Malayalam or English newspapers from Kerala, which can be considered as reliable third party resources. Other than coverage of announcements by Sobha group. Otherwise, it is still not notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. Having a shopping mall and a man made lake does not make it any special or any more than a real-estate project. I have nothing against Sobha city or Thrissur. My contention is only that Wikipedia is not a place for this.
+[[User:Shekure|Shekure]] ([[User talk:Shekure|talk]]) 15:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
+====Links====
+The article has been covered in multiple reliable sources like The Hindu, The Business Line, The Business Standard, The Economic Times etc. Some of the links.
+* 1) http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2008-08-31/news/28416891_1_township-project-villas-sobha-developers (The Economic Times)
+* 2) http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/29/us-india-summit-sobha-idUSTRE68S0JG20100929 (Reuters)
+* 3) http://www.financialexpress.com/news/story/199190/(Financial Express)
+* 4) http://www.livemint.com/2008/07/02010132/Real-estate-cos-diversify-into.html (LiveMint)
+* 5) http://www.equitybulls.com/admin/news2006/news_det.asp?id=39225
+* 6) http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/printArticle.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=148829&version=1&template_id=40&parent_id=22
+'''Comment'''
+I'm leaving this to others after this comment.
+I checked the articles:
+) Economic Times - Nothing other than a description of real estate project and that lot of people are buying it
+) Reuters - No mention of Sobha city
+) Financial Express - Sponsored article disclaimer
+) Livemint -One line about Sobha city having ayurvedic spas
+) Equity bulls - coverage of announcement of the project by company to the shareholders
+) Gulf times- again coverage of announcement of project
+The residential project is '''still under construction''' and the article would '''serve as nothing but an advertisement'''. According to [[Wikipedia:Notability_(geography)]], this belongs to the category '''Populated places without legal recognition'''. The non-official information on the project is trivial and merely contain description of the amenities. After the project is completed, the information on it can be added to the page of [[Thrissur]] or to that of Sobha Developers, if it is notable then.
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+On a final note, the same IP user who have posted the above comments from 2 different accounts ([[User talk:124.124.211.93]], [[User:114.143.76.2]]) also seems to have created the page using the account [[User Talk:Jpullokaran]]. Please stick to one account while posting and it is fair to mention that you created the page.
+[[User:Shekure|Shekure]] ([[User talk:Shekure|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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