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The article was '''promoted''' by [[User:SandyGeorgia|SandyGeorgia]] 15:29, 27 June 2011 [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=436515593]. |
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*****Okay. Compare the location formatting on ref 13 versus 20 and 21, same issue on several other refs. Compare publisher formatting of 31 vs 33. Missing italics on ref 44 and 98. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 15:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
*****Okay. Compare the location formatting on ref 13 versus 20 and 21, same issue on several other refs. Compare publisher formatting of 31 vs 33. Missing italics on ref 44 and 98. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 15:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
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******Hi, Nikkimaria. The differences come from using a "cite web" or "cite news" template. I have changed all cites with a location to the "cite news" template so all the locations are now in brackets. Missing italics on 44 and 98 have been corrected: #98 no longer goes to that cite as it was a dupicate from earlier in the article and is now grouped up. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 01:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC) |
******Hi, Nikkimaria. The differences come from using a "cite web" or "cite news" template. I have changed all cites with a location to the "cite news" template so all the locations are now in brackets. Missing italics on 44 and 98 have been corrected: #98 no longer goes to that cite as it was a dupicate from earlier in the article and is now grouped up. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 01:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*******Better, just 31 vs 33 still an issue here. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 14:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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********I believe they are now formatted identically. Is that your view? Cheers, [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*********Yes, perfect, done! [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 15:21, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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**********Well thank you very much for your patience and diligence, both are very much appreciated! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*Ref 39: publisher? |
*Ref 39: publisher? |
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**Done. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC) |
**Done. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC) |
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*<s>Manager of Norwich City: "he received a 'a euphoric reception' from the fans. and Norwich beat Barnsley 4–0." One too many "a"s, and the period is faulty considering what follows.</s> |
*<s>Manager of Norwich City: "he received a 'a euphoric reception' from the fans. and Norwich beat Barnsley 4–0." One too many "a"s, and the period is faulty considering what follows.</s> |
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*<s>In "mostly of those on free transfers", is the first word supposed to be "most"? That's the only way that part makes sense to me.</s> |
*<s>In "mostly of those on free transfers", is the first word supposed to be "most"? That's the only way that part makes sense to me.</s> |
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*<s>Reference 98 needs more formatting than just a bare link.</s>'''[[User:Giants2008|< |
*<s>Reference 98 needs more formatting than just a bare link.</s>'''[[User:Giants2008|<span style="color:blue;">Giants2008</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Giants2008|<span style="color:darkblue;">27 and counting</span>]]) 16:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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**I have done a bunch of these fixes. Copy edits are pretty complete. I am not going to do another pass as Casliber preceded me, so I suspect it is pretty completely done. <s>Over-linking needs to be double checked and POV words need to be hunted down and removed. I did not fix the lead, either.</s> --[[User:Ninja Diannaa|<span style="color:maroon;">Ninja Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ninja Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 20:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC) I think I have addressed Giants2008's list of concerns. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 22:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC) |
**I have done a bunch of these fixes. Copy edits are pretty complete. I am not going to do another pass as Casliber preceded me, so I suspect it is pretty completely done. <s>Over-linking needs to be double checked and POV words need to be hunted down and removed. I did not fix the lead, either.</s> --[[User:Ninja Diannaa|<span style="color:maroon;">Ninja Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ninja Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 20:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC) I think I have addressed Giants2008's list of concerns. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 22:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC) |
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***I'd done a couple of read-throughs and was pleased with how it was shaping up,<s> and waiting back to see what others thought. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)</s> |
***I'd done a couple of read-throughs and was pleased with how it was shaping up,<s> and waiting back to see what others thought. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)</s> |
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Will whomever is adding templates please remove them, and will the nominators please clean up the FAC to conform with FAC instructions-- we don't use templates here because they affect archives. Someone has entered "fixed" templates on each line, interrupting the reviewer commentary. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy< |
Will whomever is adding templates please remove them, and will the nominators please clean up the FAC to conform with FAC instructions-- we don't use templates here because they affect archives. Someone has entered "fixed" templates on each line, interrupting the reviewer commentary. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<span style="color:green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, SandyGeorgia. I didn't know this was not allowed. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 22:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC) |
:Sorry, SandyGeorgia. I didn't know this was not allowed. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 22:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:: No problem, thanks for the work! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy< |
:: No problem, thanks for the work! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<span style="color:green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 15:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Is the '''After football''' section comprehensive? Looks too short. [[User:TGilmour|TGilmour]] ([[User talk:TGilmour|talk]]) 19:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
Is the '''After football''' section comprehensive? Looks too short. [[User:TGilmour|TGilmour]] ([[User talk:TGilmour|talk]]) 19:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:He's only been working outside football since late 2009, and I'm fairly certain that the only media coverage since then is of the "Former Norwich goalkeeper does X" variety. [[User:Oldelpaso|Oldelpaso]] ([[User talk:Oldelpaso|talk]]) 20:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
:He's only been working outside football since late 2009, and I'm fairly certain that the only media coverage since then is of the "Former Norwich goalkeeper does X" variety. [[User:Oldelpaso|Oldelpaso]] ([[User talk:Oldelpaso|talk]]) 20:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC) |
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*:Probably not, as I doubt he'd have figured in the first XI and it's a one-off game, and no sign of it in the RS, but I'll double check his autobiography. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 14:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
*:Probably not, as I doubt he'd have figured in the first XI and it's a one-off game, and no sign of it in the RS, but I'll double check his autobiography. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 14:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*::Gunn's a little bit bitter about that season. In his autobiog, he says he didn't play a part in that season, "not a single measly game". I think that puts a cap on it, but nice spot! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 18:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
*::Gunn's a little bit bitter about that season. In his autobiog, he says he didn't play a part in that season, "not a single measly game". I think that puts a cap on it, but nice spot! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 18:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*:::But wouldn't he have been an unused sub? European matches always have a reserve 'keeper. [[User:ArtVandelay13|ArtVandelay13]] ([[User talk:ArtVandelay13|talk]]) 14:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*::::Possibly, but the UEFA site doesn't include subs for that game, there's no mention of it in any Gunn-related source that I've seen. He mentions the title in his autobiog, but unlike the Gothenburg trophy when he was on the bench and won a medal, doesn't even mention being there). I'd guess he was on the bench for both games, didn't play and didn't get a medal, as he'd not participated in the 'tournament'. But that's OR and it'd be OR to add anything speculative about it to the article. NPOV alert: it's a rubbish 'competition' anyway! Thanks for trying. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 15:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*:::::Cups have always given out medals to everyone in the matchday squad for the final, though, including the ESC. As there were only 2 keepers in Aberdeen's squad at the time, it's safe to assume he was there. There's even a reliable source [http://au.eurosport.com/football/bryan-gunn_prs187636/person.shtml] [[User:ArtVandelay13|ArtVandelay13]] ([[User talk:ArtVandelay13|talk]]) 17:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*::::::That's definitely a reliable source, but is it the only one? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Image review:''' Of the four images, three check out as fine for PD, but there's a problem on the fourth. For [[:File:Alex Ferguson.jpg]], it says it's CC-BY and was approved as such, but the image on flickr has it as CC-BY-NC-ND. Either it was wrongly approved or the uploader since changed their mind on it. Adding a better description for [[:File:Marshall, Andy.jpg]] would be helpful, but since it's an old pic from a long gone user it's not required. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 16:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
'''Image review:''' Of the four images, three check out as fine for PD, but there's a problem on the fourth. For [[:File:Alex Ferguson.jpg]], it says it's CC-BY and was approved as such, but the image on flickr has it as CC-BY-NC-ND. Either it was wrongly approved or the uploader since changed their mind on it. Adding a better description for [[:File:Marshall, Andy.jpg]] would be helpful, but since it's an old pic from a long gone user it's not required. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 16:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:Isn't it the case that it's tough luck if it was reviewed by an admin at the time (2007) and someone changes their mind afterwards? Presumably it's difficult to get evidence to see what the licensing in 2007 was? Also, is it really the remit of FAC to revisit historic admin's decisions on Flickr uploads and on uploader's image descriptions? Just a question really because if it is, I'll need to ensure that I look into this further for FLC etc... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
:Isn't it the case that it's tough luck if it was reviewed by an admin at the time (2007) and someone changes their mind afterwards? Presumably it's difficult to get evidence to see what the licensing in 2007 was? Also, is it really the remit of FAC to revisit historic admin's decisions on Flickr uploads and on uploader's image descriptions? Just a question really because if it is, I'll need to ensure that I look into this further for FLC etc... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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::I'm pretty sure that if at one point the license was changed to a free one for us, it cannot be changed back, so if they did then we still go by the approved one. I just wanted to make sure that the review was correct, which I'm sure it was. In short, the image seems to be fine even though that doesn't quite check out. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 17:49, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
::I'm pretty sure that if at one point the license was changed to a free one for us, it cannot be changed back, so if they did then we still go by the approved one. I just wanted to make sure that the review was correct, which I'm sure it was. In short, the image seems to be fine even though that doesn't quite check out. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 17:49, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Okay, that's cool, just wanted to check. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
:::Okay, that's cool, just wanted to check. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Great, thank you for the image review. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Understood and I support. [[User:TGilmour|TGilmour]] ([[User talk:TGilmour|talk]]) 19:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' Understood and I support. [[User:TGilmour|TGilmour]] ([[User talk:TGilmour|talk]]) 19:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*:Thanks, and thanks for the comments, too. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Status''' I make it three supports now (Oldelpaso, Casliber and TGilmour) and no outstanding opposes, or comments to address. If I'm missing some outstanding points, please let me know. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:I did wonder if the various edits had done enough to satisfy Nikkimaria on the concerns over consistent citation formatting, despite the fact our ''de facto'' templates produce different results? I'm happy to work endlessly to ensure these are correct, as long as there's an acceptance that Wikipedia's own citation templates contradict one another. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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::I'll ask Nikkimaria to come back. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 18:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:::One minor issue remaining here (see above), everything else looks great. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 14:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Replied above. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Comments''' Pretty much there, but: |
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* Opening sentence "Bryan James Gunn (born 22 December 1963 in Thurso) is a Scottish former professional football manager [6 months?] and goalkeeper [20 years]." - my square brackets - doesn't get it right. Nor could I work out how long he actually was manager for - that section needs a few dates sprinkled around. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 13:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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**Happy to switch the order, as it works for chronology, too. I won't include the years there, as his backroom role at Norwich was lengthy and complex - too complex for the lead. I'll take another look at the manager section, too, as you suggest. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 14:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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***Done. Thank you. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 18:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' - Ok, meets the criteria, support. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 21:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' - following the discussion and responses relating to my comments (see below). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 22:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Comments (from Carcharoth) - only a few comments: |
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*<s>There is a one-sentence paragraph that has poor grammar: ''"However, he was involved in an own-goal incident in an East Anglian Derby match in the 1995–96 season, when a backpass from Robert Ullathorne bounced awkwardly off the pitch and over of Gunn's attempted clearance kick."'' - the specific problem is with 'over of' - you can lose the 'of' and retain the meaning.</s> |
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**''That should have been part of (balance to) the previous parag. Someone else seems to have done the "of" already, so all fixed now. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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*<s>I share the concerns that the 'After football' section is too short - can it not be merged with another section and broken out later if it expands? And is it correct to imply by 'after' that he has no plans to return to football?</s> |
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**''Happy to take suggestions of where else it might go - there's nowhere that seems appropriate. I have no idea what his plans are. He's gone from football personality to mobile phones to sports agent. He may be back one day, but I'm not sure anyone, even Gunn, could be certain. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***OK, on reflection, you are right. I've struck this one. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 20:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*The 'Playing style, personality, achievements and legacy' section title is a bit long. |
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**''You're probably right. But I couldn't capture the various elements more succinctly. Suggestions welcome. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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*<s>Pictures: if there are no freely licensed pictures available of him playing as a goalkeeper, is it not possible to point the reader (through an external link) to a picture of him as a goalkeeper, or to say that his autobiography (presumably) contains such pictures?</s> |
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**''Biog certainly does. How would one include such a comment? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***I've changed my mind on this, as most readers would have the common sense to look for pictures in the autobiography. Even better, of course, would be to find some Norwich City fan who took a picture of him during his playing career, and is willing to release the photo. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 00:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*<s>His wife is a redlink. On balance, I think possibly she should be delinked, like his son. Though both may justify redlinks at some future point, I don't think it can be justified at the moment. Similarly, have the other redlinks been checked to see if they should be redlinks or not? The ones I would question (or be unsure about) are [[Scotland national under-15 football team]] and [[James Hollman]], and also the businesses in the 'After football' section. Apologies if this has been addressed in a previous review.</s> |
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**''Wife is definitely notable. I'll turn her blue in time. Son should be delinked. I'll check the others. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***Son was already delinked, I was placing him on a par with his mother saying that she should be delinked, like the son is. Happy for the redlinks to stay, as long as they have received some consideration. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 00:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*<s>The categories and templates at the bottom of the article look fine, though he is listed in [[:Category:Scotland B international footballers]], though this is not mentioned in the article. Can/should this be sourced and mentioned?</s> |
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**''I have no information on it. In a biog of a full international, it doesn't really seem necessary to expound on it. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***I'm not fussed either way. Just wanted to be sure it had been raised at some point. Maybe at some future point, someone will work on the Scotland B team articles (presuming they exist) and pop over here to add something. It would be nice to know how many matches he played for Scotland B and when. How is this handled in other football biographies of full internationals? Again, left it unstruck in case anyone else wants to comment (I wonder if there is a way to half-strike a comment?). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 20:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC) <small>Actually, looking at [[Scotland B national football team]], I've struck this, as the football national B-teams are only occasional teams, not regular ones.</small> |
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*<s>I followed the [http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=174583/ FIFA external link], and noticed that as well as the 1994 World Cup qualification campaign, he is listed as playing in the '1983 FIFA U-20 World Cup', which appears to be the [[1983 FIFA World Youth Championship]]. Is the FIFA site incorrect, or is this just missing from the article? This took place in June 1983, before this bit: ''"he was called up for the Scotland under-21 team, and made his debut in November 1983 against East Germany"''. There is nothing in the 'Internationals' section about the June 1983 youth international tournament, only the 1982 European one (which the FIFA record doesn't cover for some reason). Is it difficult to source a complete record of his youth international career?</s> <small>Not to bang the drum about the utility of 'what links here', but he is linked from [[1983 FIFA World Youth Championship squads]], so it is trivial to spot this sort of thing, providing the links from the templates at the bottom are not overwhelming things too much it is not difficult to check through less than 250 links to make sure nothing substantive has been overlooked.</small> |
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**''That's a bad call by me. His autobiography has a detailed description, particularly of a fearsome encounter against the hosts. Can't think why I left it out. I might have meant to come back and fill it in, but I'm not sure... I've been working on this for a long time. Watch this space. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 19:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***''Done. Some might argue it's unduly detailed, but I think the challenges for a young player were immense and he came through with great credit among the Scotland hierarchy. It's also, like much of his story, quite entertaining ;-) --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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*Gunn appears to have been briefly captain of Norwich City - see [[Captains of Norwich City F.C.]]. Can/should this be sourced and added to the article? |
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**''I'm not sure it's very important. Anyone disagree? It certainly wouldn't add much to this particular biog of "Mr Norwich City". Pretty much any longstanding player will have been captain at one time or another and the succession hasn't always been as neat as that article suggests. [[Neil Emblen]]'s captaincy is far more interesting, by contrast. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***I'm not fussed. Does he mention it in his autobiography at all? Up to you, really, unless anyone else raises it. It is the sort of thing that someone might try and add later, so you'd need to be able to respond at that point, even if not here. I've left it unstruck it above, in case anyone else wants to comment. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 20:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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****''Gunn himself clearly thinks it's unimportant: he mentions the sale of [[John Newsome]] (Gunn was shocked) but no word on who replaced him as skipper. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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*<s>Suggest adding [[Bryan Gunn Appeal]] (a redirect to this article) to [[:Category:Cancer fundraisers]]. That would be an indirect way of including his cancer fundraising efforts in the appropriate category. The current anchored link from the redirect is also broken. Suggest fixing that and checking for other anchored links/redirects that may have been broken by renaming of section titles.</s> |
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**''Ugh... I read that three times and still am not sure what you're asking for, other than your first sentence, which I can do. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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***[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bryan_Gunn_Appeal&action=historysubmit&diff=435455584&oldid=435451220 This] is what you need to do. Change the stuff after the hash to ensure it seeks out the correct heading in the article redirected to. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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****''Thanks, technophile. There's no place like gnome. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 13:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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*****As far as I could tell, there were no other broken anchors. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*****For more on links and anchored links and various workarounds and 'features', see the paragraph at the end of [[Wikipedia:LINK#Link_specificity|this section of WP:LINK]]. Also helpful is [[Wikipedia:LINK#Piped_links_to_sections_of_articles|this section of WP:LINK]]. Most helpful of all is [[WP:ANCHOR]] (which leads to part of the 'help' namespace). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 20:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Overall, a very readable article, one that I'd be happy to support after a second read-through later (though the review may close before then, I'll try and get back here before then) and if the substantive concerns above are addressed. I do have slight concerns about comprehensiveness, given the ease with which I found some missing bits. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 14:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*''I'll get back on the junior world cup material, which is a significant omission. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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**Sure. I haven't actually opposed, but won't be supporting until that is added. Did he do much at the U21 level, and could you confirm that you've double-checked the autobiography to make sure nothing else was left out that should be in the article? [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 20:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
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***''It's added, see above. He barely mentions the U21s, mainly because the matches were so low-key. One vs East Germany was watched by just 500 people. Gunn at this stage in his career was used to playing in top-level Scottish games in front of 40x as many and had played in front of what he thought was 100,000 people who were baying for his blood! The main U21 content is a hilarious story about some of the players getting caught being naughty boys... but Gunn wasn't one of them. I've read the book cover to cover. It's tempting to add everything, as it's a very readable book, but I think I've covered the essentials. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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****OK. Based on that and the added youth international material, I'm happy to support (and will indicate that above in the correct location so it doesn't get missed). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 22:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*****''Thank you - and thank you for helping to improve the article. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 08:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)'' |
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