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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep Grealt of Rivia; no consensus on keeping or deleting the others, but there is a consensus that they should be discussed individually. Rlendog (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Carnby

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Long-term edit-warring over whether this individual character is independently notable enough for an article vs being a redirect to the notable series in which he appears. This is a procedural nom...closer may want to long-term semiprotect if closed as redirect. DMacks (talk) 12:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also bundling the following:

Augustus Sinclair (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Geralt of Rivia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

which appear to be in a similar situation with regards to dispute over their independent notability sufficient for a stand-alone article. DMacks (talk) 14:38, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It feels a little off to nominate several otherwise completely unrelated articles together simply because one person has been edit-warring over them. Procedural nomination or not, AfD is not the venue for sorting out edit wars. In any case, I'd point out that Geralt of Rivia is from a Polish franchise, that I'm given to understand has far more traction there than it does in the English speaking world. I'd strongly recommend some effort to check for coverage in Polish. -- Sabre (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to a mixed close or separating some out for separate AfD--I don't know anything about any of these other than that several other editors all concur non-notable per their edit-histories and same IPs keep disputing it (could be related, could be wikihounding/WP:POINT, dunno). DMacks (talk) 16:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Geralt of Rivia (neutral on the others). In the English-speaking world, the Witcher novels are far less well-known than the spin-off games, but in Poland (and indeed several other European countries), Geralt (the Witcher of the series title) has a cultural profile equivalent to that of Frodo Baggins or Harry Potter (though as a character he is far more similar to Elric of Melniboné). The two sources, one an academic article in English and the other from the Polish periodical Polityka, both look good (so far as I can see - I can only get the English one in snippet view and Polityka apparently requires registration in Polish) and, given the reputation of the books in Poland, there are almost bound to be far more (though mostly in Polish - unfortunately, while I can see pages of possibilities on Google searches, my very slight knowledge of Polish is not enough to identify the good ones). PWilkinson (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why in the hell are those three articles bundled together? They are completely unrelated to each other, and come from completely different series. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And keep Geralt of Rivia, that character is definitely notable. No opinion on the other two. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relist separately please. I can't see a commonality among the three noms and thus, I would have three unrelated opinions on them. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relist separately. And just in case, keep for Geralt, he is notable (numerous references outside Sapkowski's work). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 15:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reject AfD per failing WP:BUNDLE and relist separately. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 08:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relist separately, they got nothing in common. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 01:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was  '''keep''' Grealt of Rivia; no consensus on keeping or deleting the others, but there is a consensus that they should be discussed individually. [[User:Rlendog|Rlendog]] ([[User talk:Rlendog|talk]]) 18:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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 Long-term edit-warring over whether this individual character is independently notable enough for an article vs being a redirect to the notable series in which he appears. This is a procedural nom...closer may want to long-term semiprotect if closed as redirect. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 12:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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 *It feels a little off to nominate several otherwise completely unrelated articles together simply because one person has been edit-warring over them. Procedural nomination or not, AfD is not the venue for sorting out edit wars. In any case, I'd point out that Geralt of Rivia is from a Polish franchise, that I'm given to understand has far more traction there than it does in the English speaking world. I'd strongly recommend some effort to check for coverage in Polish. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 16:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 :I have no objection to a mixed close or separating some out for separate AfD--I don't know anything about any of these other than that several other editors all concur non-notable per their edit-histories and same IPs keep disputing it (could be related, could be wikihounding/[[WP:POINT]], dunno). [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' [[Geralt of Rivia]] (neutral on the others). In the English-speaking world, the Witcher novels are far less well-known than the spin-off games, but in Poland (and indeed several other European countries), Geralt (the Witcher of the series title) has a cultural profile equivalent to that of [[Frodo Baggins]] or [[Harry Potter]] (though as a character he is far more similar to [[Elric of Melniboné]]). The two sources, one an academic article in English and the other from the Polish periodical [[Polityka]], both look good (so far as I can see - I can only get the English one in snippet view and Polityka apparently requires registration in Polish) and, given the reputation of the books in Poland, there are almost bound to be far more (though mostly in Polish - unfortunately, while I can see pages of possibilities on Google searches, my very slight knowledge of Polish is not enough to identify the good ones). [[User:PWilkinson|PWilkinson]] ([[User talk:PWilkinson|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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+::Why in the hell are those three articles bundled together? They are completely unrelated to each other, and come from completely different series. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 03:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
+::And '''keep''' Geralt of Rivia, that character is definitely notable. No opinion on the other two. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 03:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Relist separately please'''. I can't see a commonality among the three noms and thus, I would have three unrelated opinions on them. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] ([[User talk:Axem Titanium|talk]]) 23:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Relist separately'''. And just in case, '''keep''' for Geralt, he is notable (numerous references outside Sapkowski's work). --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00; background:#006400;"> talk to me</span>]]</sub> 15:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Reject AfD''' per failing [[WP:BUNDLE]] and relist separately. -- [[User:Jelly Soup|Jelly Soup]] ([[User talk:Jelly Soup|talk]]) 08:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Relist separately''', they got nothing in common. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<span style="color:darkmagenta;">Snowolf</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<span style="color:darkmagenta;">How can I help?</span>]]</small></sup></b></i> 01:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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