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The result was keep. Additional discussions for merging can be discussed locally on the articles' talk pages. MuZemike 21:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mons Venus

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This strip club is not notable. It has lot of local news hits for land use lawsuits and the owner is a local loudmouth. These things always true for strip clubs so it does not make this one notable. There was sentence in the article that said one of the lawsuits made it to the Supreme Court of the United States. The reference for this was an article pointing to a land use lawsuit in a local district court. This discrepancy between what the article said and what the reference said was so huge I tried to find valid sources showing this strip club is more important than any other in Tampa. It do have lots of news hits saying the owner is a loudmouth that sue the city a lot but that is run-of-the-mill for Tampa strip clubs. In this case, even a lot of local coverage does not make for an encyclopedic topic. Miami33139 (talk) 16:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Miami33139 (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
keep - Looking through the gNews archives to January, 2001 [1], a couple of things struck me. Now, this may be in response to a couple of incidents, but if you read through the synopses of the archived articles (which, sadly, are pay articles) the club itself appears to be referred to as "notorious" (geo location unknown), "high profile" (St. Petersburg, FL), "popular" (Boston), "infamous" (New York), etc., and there appear to be mentions about the club from LA, Texas, and other places. Wile the coverage may have been driven by events in some cases (e.g. Dallas Stars player's arrests), the coverage seems to reference the club in general. National coverage + established news media citing the club's notability=general notability. Vulture19 (talk) 17:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I would agree with you if even one of the national stories was about the strip club rather than the strip club just being mentioned as the location. Drugs, whores and celebrities behaving badly are normal in the vicinity of a strip club so you expect a common intersection of news reports that mention the place in the background. Miami33139 (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- per Vulture19 and reference that the subject is listed as top ten in the world from a reputable and notable third-party source. Seems to conform to WP:N--It's me...Sallicio!^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 21:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If delete convert it into a dab page. 76.66.192.35 (talk) 05:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My initial thought was to say keep, as there are reliable sources saying it is notable. But when I clicked on Joe Redner, the owner, I found that article was covering the notability of the strip club in more detail. We really only need to have the one article. At the moment we have two articles saying the same thing. As Joe Redner is the more developed, and the strip club is notable because of Joe Redner, my suggestion is merge to Joe Redner. SilkTork *^YES! 01:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 This strip club is not notable. It has lot of local news hits for land use lawsuits and the owner is a local loudmouth. These things always true for strip clubs so it does not make this one notable. There was sentence in the article that said one of the lawsuits made it to the Supreme Court of the United States. The reference for this was an article pointing to a land use lawsuit in a local district court. This discrepancy between what the article said and what the reference said was so huge I tried to find valid sources showing this strip club is more important than any other in Tampa. It do have lots of news hits saying the owner is a loudmouth that sue the city a lot but that is [[WP:MILL|run-of-the-mill]] for Tampa strip clubs. In this case, even a lot of local coverage does not make for an encyclopedic topic. [[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 16:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
+*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Business|list of Business-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small> <small>-- [[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 17:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)</small>
+* '''keep''' - Looking through the gNews archives to January, 2001 [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22mons+venus%22&as_ldate=2001/01&as_hdate=2001/01&scoring=n&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&nav_num=99], a couple of things struck me. Now, this ''may'' be in response to a couple of incidents, but if you read through the synopses of the archived articles (which, sadly, are pay articles) the club itself appears to be referred to as "notorious" (geo location unknown), "high profile" (St. Petersburg, FL), "popular" (Boston), "infamous" (New York), etc., and there appear to be mentions about the club from LA, Texas, and other places. Wile the coverage may have been driven by events in some cases (e.g. Dallas Stars player's arrests), the coverage seems to reference the club in general. National coverage + established news media citing the club's notability=general notability. [[User:Vulture19|Vulture19]] ([[User talk:Vulture19|talk]]) 17:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
+**I would agree with you if ''even one'' of the national stories was about the strip club rather than the strip club just being mentioned as the location. Drugs, whores and celebrities behaving badly are normal in the vicinity of a strip club so you expect a common intersection of news reports that mention the place in the background. [[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 20:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''- per [[User talk:Vulture19|Vulture19]] and reference that the subject is listed as top ten in the world from a reputable and notable third-party source. Seems to conform to [[WP:N]]--[[User:Sallicio|'''It's me...Sallicio!''']][[User talk:Sallicio|<sup><math>\color{Red} \oplus</math></sup>]] 21:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
+*''If delete'' convert it into a dab page. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.192.35|76.66.192.35]] ([[User talk:76.66.192.35|talk]]) 05:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
+*My initial thought was to say keep, as there are reliable sources saying it is notable. But when I clicked on [[Joe Redner]], the owner, I found that article was covering the notability of the strip club in more detail. We really only need to have the one article. At the moment we have two articles saying the same thing. As [[Joe Redner]] is the more developed, and the strip club is notable because of Joe Redner, my suggestion is '''merge to [[Joe Redner]]'''. <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT; color:#1111AA; font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>YES!</sup>]]</span> 01:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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