- The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Planetary Chaos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
209.247.23.17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
209.244.42.183 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
209.247.21.237 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
63.215.28.13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Report submission by
- Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 03:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Evidence
Standard stuff, immediate knowledge of editing/policies/guidelines/procedures for new editors. All of these editors have come in effectively with a single purpose-to revert changes to the binary prefixes. One of them, after being asked about sock puppetry, effectively confirmed that these are either sock or meat puppets [1]. However, every one of them who has spoken exhibits a typing tendency characteristic of Planetary Chaos, namely, not using spaces after punctuation (especially periods or commas), or before sigs. Some examples:
- Planetary Chaos: [2] (edit summary), [3].
- 209.247.23.17: [4], [5], [6].
- 209.244.42.183: [7]
- 209.247.21.237: [8]
- 63.215.28.13 has not engaged in any communication or used anything but auto edit summaries, so hasn't done anything which would exhibit the typing error, but has shown the same single-purpose behavior.
Given this same typing error (which is really not a very common one) being repeated this frequently, and all of the IP's repeating it being here for the same purpose (reverting binary prefix edits), it looks pretty clear to me that the same person is behind the edits. Planetary Chaos participated extensively in the discussion regarding the MOS change on this matter, but has not spoken to it or been involved after the anonymous reverts began. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 22:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also noted that Planetary Chaos used vandalism templates on User talk:Sarenne regarding the binary content dispute [9], [10], [11], a practice also engaged in by the IP editors [12], [13], [14].
- It appears these users are socks of Piratesofsml. Planetary Chaos has edited Doberman Pinscher and John Adams in pretty much the exact same vein of Piratesofxml, and Piratesofxml and his socks exhibit the same typing idiosyncrasy. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 06:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
Well, ofcourse your wrong ,Sarenne could be a sock puppet of you and I could form evidence infavor of that also.But we will wait and see and when it comes back as no they are not the same how foolish you will look. Have a nice day.209.247.23.17 22:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you really think Sarenne's my sock, please feel free to put a case up! I'd be happy to volunteer for a checkuser, for that matter. And I could be wrong, and if I am you have my apologies, and so does PC. However, it sure does look a lot like it to me, I wouldn't make an accusation unless I were quite sure I was correct. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 22:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of check user go ahead and check me against all the other whom you claim I am.209.247.23.17 22:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey I added my self and every one you say is me on check user.Hope the results smak you down a notch.209.247.23.17 23:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Came here via the AN/I thread. This editor is also linked with IP 63.3.11.2 (talk · contribs), which assisted the main account in edits to South Mountain Park in mid-January. In December and early January, 63.3.11.2 was used by a now indef blocked user and sockpupeteer. That user also edited from a number of dynamic IPs from the 209.24x range. The editor in question has a history of, among other things, taking a very US-centric approach to MOS issues (especially on Doberman Pinscher, which Planetary Chaos has also taken an interest in) and using multiple accounts and IPs to create the illusion of support for his actions. A past history with sock puppetry and checkuser cases would help explain the interest Planetary Chaos has shown in sockpuppetry cases, as evidenced by his talk page. There are other clues, but those some of the clearer ones.
- At any rate, in light of the past history from these IP ranges, I think a request for checkuser is in order, to see if an indef block for this account is appropriate and to try to root out any sleepers. Since the anon coming from 209.24x is so confident that no link will be found to Planetary Chaos, I think it's a safe bet that the editor hasn't been editing from that ISP while logged in to that account, but it should still be possible to find a link to the old, blocked accounts, and from there the link to the dynamic IPs is blazingly obvious. -- Vary | Talk 03:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What about 209.244.42.180 commenting on .183 talk page as .183 and signing .180 [15]?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pethr (talk • contribs) 05:39, 12 February 2007(UTC).
Also that was me editing South Mountain Park for some reason I kept getting logged out.
Now, on to User:Sarenne and User:209.247.23.17
My Warning templates look like this and User:Vary knows all to well,we had our dealings over Princess Charming [16] and that was my mistake they were infact not vandalism (mistakes happen) now look at these templates and I'm willing to bet (looking at the time frame that User:Sarenne placed these first and User:209.247.23.17 replied inkind (im not taking up for the annon what he/she did was not right)
[17] and
[18]
If you have any other questions for me please feel free to use my talk page if you want. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 17:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, leaving the warning templates was wrong on both sides, and I left a note asking Sarenne to stop it as well. However, the issue here is that it looks like you're an old friend of ours, User:Piratesofsml. You exhibit the same typing idiosyncracies, you've taken the same interests and edited the same articles, and he's even used the same IP ranges to revert war as are performing the massive binary reversions now! (He's also used an IP in the range you specifically stated was yours, at South Mountain Park.) Can you possibly explain all that? (By the way, the checkuser was declined on the grounds that the case is effectively proven by what's been pointed out anyway.) Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 17:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As for the bianary prefix you will see that at the end I was all for using the new prefix and it was me who suggested that all articles using MB and GB be changed [19] As for Doberman,I my self have a Doberman undock uncropped so yes i edited there as well.
Living in Virginia I also created a page about a lake Leesville Lake and inturn this lake is connected to Smith Mountain Lake that User:Piratesofsml has edited.
As for my IP 63.3.11.2 I guess thats mine however that's not what my firewall says it is so I assume it is a shared IP.
From what I read at checkuser [20]I would like it to say declined on the grounds that the case is effectively proven by what's been pointed out. But it says Unnecessary with no further comment. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 18:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh I see, I just followed the trail and read User:jpgordon's talk page. But I am still at a loss I am not related or connected to Piratesofsml other than By editing the same (few) pages. I honestly don't know what to tell you except that there should be a checkuser performed on me.So Can I ask for one for my self? Planetary Chaos Talk to me 18:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You can ask, but if you looked at jpgordon's page, you'd note that CU isn't magic pixie dust. All checkuser can do is follow a technical trail. I'm noting you've still failed to explain any of these amazing coincidences here. (By the way, I recall Piratesofsml saying he was from Virginia too, the coincidences do just keep piling up, don't they?) You can certainly go file a checkuser request, but it's up to the reviewing checkuser whether performing it would be useful and appropriate. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 18:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can not just explain this away as from what I read about Piratesofsml he is from Smith Mountain Lake. I however live in Roanoke, Virginia.There are many editors here from Virgina even an Administrator User:Vaoverland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lakes_of_Virginia Other this fact I honestly don't know what to tell you. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also I was doing a Recent changes patrol when I ran across what Seraphimblade 2 described as "characteristic interest in the Founding Fathers' religious classification" Look at my contribs, and Talk page and time frames for verification.That is also how I stumbled in to the bianary prefix mess. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 19:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The edit in question was this one, in terms of the Founding Fathers. [21]. It does look like the revert was very soon after the old edit, which certainly does look like it was found on RC patrol, but the characteristic interest is still there, especially a revert without explanation of a non-vandal edit. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 21:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was corrected labeling some things as being vandalism, that is why on my talk page you will see I used WP:NPOV now I just use the fact tag.
And if I run across a vandle in rc that was on Thomas Jefferson and I corrected the edit would that make me Piratesofsml because the interest was there?No,I don't think so,but hey every one is entitled to their own beliefs.If you still think that I am Piratesofsml or any IP that you listed the go ahead and keep my User name here. But I would like you to fix this this mess. Thank You. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 22:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My final comment.Attention to the Administrator who is going to review this case.Please see these diff diff
diff and many more while I was on RC patrol.Thank you. Planetary Chaos Talk to me 18:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Conclusions
- see [22] for evidence. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 16:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: brought to this page via a request for review on IRC. I have reviewed this evidence. It seems sound to me, I'd concur with a conclusion that these IDs are probably the same editor, based on stylistic similarities. ++Lar: t/c 17:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The IPs are indef blocked as socks and the master account has been blocked for 1 month. Closing. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
