Template:Did you know nominations/Gothic double

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Szmenderowiecki (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Gothic double

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• ... that the doppelgänger motif in Gothic literature was inspired by supernatural figures in Celtic folklore such as the "fetch"? Source: Yeats, W. B. (2016). Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. In Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. Newburyport: Open Road Integrated Media, Inc, pp. 108

5x expanded by Snowdrop Fairy (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC).

• This is a very impressive expansion which makes for an interesting read. One minor quibble, you wrote "[t]he period from 1750 to 1830 is known as a “Gothic and Celtic revival” in which Irish, Scottish, and Welsh folklore became absorbed into British literature as a result of colonial expansion into these territories." This sounds a bit strange to my ears as the expansion (at least into Wales and Ireland) predates the revival by many centuries. I haven't checked how it's described in the source but maybe there is a way to make the connection clearer? Alaexis_¿question? 06:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
• Also, does the quote come from a review of the book Irish Folk Stories and Fairy Tales or from the book itself? Right now the review published in the Western Folklore journal is indicated as the source but I don't see any mention of fetches there. Alaexis_¿question? 06:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you so much for your review! And thank you for the feedback, I'll edit that sentence to make it clearer. The quote does come from the actual book itself, I'll edit the reference to make it correct. Thank you again! Snowdrop Fairy (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

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• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Alaexis_¿question? 13:04, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

• Alaexis, Snowdrop Fairy, where does this nomination stand? There appear to have been issues with the hook citation, and many images have been added since the review that will have to be checked. What's left to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

  Snowdrop Fairy, could you update the citation? I really want to support the nomination and this is the only stumbling block. Alaexis_¿question? 19:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Alaexis Apologies for the delay! I have edited the citation and made the section on the Gothic and Celtic revival clearer. Let me know if there are any other issues, and thank you for supporting my nomination, I really appreciate it. Snowdrop Fairy (talk) 01:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  Sorry, but I'm a bit confused now. In the article itself the fact is sourced to Gothic: an illustrated history whereas in the hook the citation is to Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. Which one is right? Which work makes the connection between fetches and the gothic double motif? Alaexis_¿question? 05:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Alaexis: Both are cited in the article in different places. Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry states "As in Scotland, the fetch is commonly believed in. If you see the double, or fetch, of a friend in the morning, no ill follows; if at night, he is about to die." Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 04:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom:, thanks for the answer. The DYK fact is about the connection between the gothic double (a literary device) and the fetch (Irish folklore figure). The source that describes the relationship between the two should be cited in the DYK hook. It looks like it's *not* Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry (which is cited now in the hook). Probably it's Gothic: an illustrated history but it would be goof to double-check it. Alaexis_¿question? 06:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Alaexis and Snowdrop Fairy: Have the above concerns been resolved? Can this be approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Not yet, unfortunately. Alaexis_¿question? 05:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Snowdrop Fairy's last edit was in June, and concerns remain. I'm marking this for closure unless someone else is willing to adopt this. Z1720 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)