Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ein Ofarim killings

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 21:00, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Ein Ofarim killings

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There is very little evidence of WP:SUSTAINED or significant coverage, aside from the initial news report and some subsequent trivial mentions, so this does not appear to be an event with a strong claim to notability. The aftermath section of the page also appears to engage in WP:SYNTH drawing a connection to events the next day (an attack on a Jordanian police station) that the source cited for the very same makes no attempt to connect. As an alternative to deletion, the details that ARE supported could be merged into Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel and Palestine. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Terrorism. Shellwood (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, which seems sensible to me, though I don't know much about the subject ... it's only on my watchlist due to long-term vandalism. Graham87 15:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
• Merge into Reprisal operations (Israel). It is already present there as one sentence "Operation Gulliver (מבצע גוליבר) – Carried out on 13 September 1956 in Jordan", which can be expanded with one or two extra sentences to completely cover it. Incidentally, most of the article content does not appear in the single source. I'll add another source which can be copied over if the merge happens. Zero^talk 02:38, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

  If you have another source that links it to the events of the 13th that would be useful, because as it stands there's simply nothing tying the two together. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Iskandar323: Yes, Morris explicitly connects the two. Zero^talk 04:13, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep this was a 1956 terrorist attack and the sources already in the article include ones from 1993 and 2002, which shows that there is, in fact, sustained interest. Google book shows numerous other sources in 2008[1], 2004[2], the incident is mentioned in Moshe Dayan's 1966 memoir[3] and in David Ben-Gurion's 1963 history of Israel[4]. Jahaza (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  The latter two mentions are textbook trivial mentions. The 2008 and 2004 ones are only borderline something more if you include the aftermath, which they do tie together with the attack - though in theory both speak more to reprisal op in the aftermath, one 'Operation Garandal' (same as Gulliver?), than they do to the attack itself - both lending more to the suggestion by Zero if anything. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  It would be one thing if all we had were trivial mentions, but these references in important books show the sustained attention to the fact that the event took place and its consequences. The facts of the situation were well known and didn't need to be repeated, but the repeated mentions in important sources show its influence. Meanwhile, you're ignoring the fact that even many of the more extensive mentions come from decades after the event.

  There's no reason to merge the event into its reprisal, that's illogical unless the scale of the reprisal is vastly different than the scale of the initial attack. Note also that Operation Gulliver, the somewhat suitable reprisal merge target, doesn't even exist yet. It's completely confusing to merge it into a list of reprisal attacks and would result in tossing out almost everything that's in the article.

  If the article must be merged somewhere, the target that actually exists that makes sense is List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967, where it is mentioned, but there's no reason to merge something that is sourced and the subject of sustained coverage. Jahaza (talk) 21:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  RE: the merge option - don't lose cite of the fact that the body of material here is incredibly small, and from the look of things, unlikely to expand given that no source seems to dedicate more than a few sentences to these events. As it stands, the page is short and already overlaps with two other pages, and these are both potential reasons to merge (WP:MERGEREASON). Iskandar323 (talk) 04:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. Given the continuous interest in this attack, it is clear that there are no grounds for this AfD. gidonb (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 04:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• (I !voted merge above and maintain that view.) Those who want the article kept under the present name should explain why the murder of three Druze workers by fedayeen is more notable than the revenge murder of 11–15 uninvolved Jordanians by a national army. Zero^talk 05:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  I would also support a merger into Reprisal operations (Israel) per the suggestion above - possibly more relevant there than at my page suggestion. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  It could also be listed independently at List of attacks against Israeli civilians before 1967, but lists are a bit of a supplementary resource to pages. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, significant terrorist attack, has coverage, no good reason to delete. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 19:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - significant attack indeed. Good coverage. WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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