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The Signpost: 10 September 2014

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The Signpost: 17 September 2014

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The Signpost: 24 September 2014

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The Signpost: 01 October 2014

• From the editor: The Signpost needs your help

• Dispatches: Let's get serious about plagiarism

• News and notes: Wikipedia article published in peer-reviewed journal; Wikipedia in education

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Hey!

I haven't seen you the past few days on Wiktionary. I was a bit concerned (though I'm also a bit of an anxious person).

Did you know that we're discussing making a proposal on adding a category to Wikipedia regarding phonemes by language? You can find the discussion here, if you wish to contribute. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 October 2014

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The Signpost: 15 October 2014

• Op-ed: Ships—sexist or sexy?

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• Arbitration report: One case closed and two opened

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The Signpost: 22 October 2014

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The Signpost: 29 October 2014

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The Signpost: 05 November 2014

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The Signpost: 12 November 2014

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The Signpost: 26 November 2014

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Straw Poll

There is a straw poll that may interest you regarding the proper use of "Religion =" in infoboxes of atheists.

The straw poll is at Template talk:Infobox person#Straw poll.

--Guy Macon (talk) 09:19, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. -sche (talk) 09:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 December 2014

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RfC United States same-sex marriage map

I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 05:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 December 2014

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The Signpost: 17 December 2014

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The Signpost: 24 December 2014

• From the editor: Looking for new editors-in-chief

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The Signpost: 31 December 2014

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The Signpost: 07 January 2015

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The Signpost: 14 January 2015

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The Signpost: 21 January 2015

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The Signpost: 28 January 2015

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The Signpost: 04 February 2015

• News and notes: No men beyond this point: the proposal to create a no-men space on Wikipedia

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• In the media: Gamergate and Muhammad controversies continue

• Traffic report: The American Heartland

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The Signpost: 11 February 2015

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• Featured content: A grizzly bear, Operation Mascot, Freedom Planet & Liberty Island, cosmic dust clouds, a cricket five-wicket list, more fine art, & a terrible, terrible opera...

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The Signpost: 18 February 2015

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The Signpost: 25 February 2015

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The Signpost: 25 February 2015

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The Signpost: 04 March 2015

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The Signpost: 11 March 2015

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The Signpost: 18 March 2015

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life

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The Signpost – Volume 11, Issue 12 – 25 March 2015

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The Signpost, 1 April 2015

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• Featured content: Stop Press. Marie Celeste Mystery Solved. Crew Found Hiding In Wardrobe.

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The Signpost: 01 April 2015

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The Signpost: 08 April 2015

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The Signpost: 15 April 2015

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The Signpost: 22 April 2015

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The Signpost: 29 April 2015

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The Signpost: 06 May 2015

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Malta

Your attention is called to the discussion at Talk:Malta#Which map should we use in main infobox? Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 May 2015

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• News and notes: Swedish Wikimedia chapter organizes simultaneous Wikidata contests

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The Signpost: 20 May 2015

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The Signpost: 03 June 2015

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• Discussion report: The deprecation of Persondata; RfA – A broken process; Complaints from users on Swedish Wikipedia

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• Special report: Towards "Health Information for All": Medical content on Wikipedia received 6.5 billion page views in 2013

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The Signpost: 10 June 2015

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• Traffic report: Two households, both alike in dignity

• In the media: Arbitration case attracts media coverage; Wikipedia in Israel

• Featured content: Just the bear facts, ma'am

• Technology report: Wikimedia sites are going HTTPS only

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The Signpost: 17 June 2015

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• In focus: Three weeks to save freedom of panorama in Europe

• Op-ed: Making a difference in Wikipedia, one GA at a time

• Technology report: HTTPS-only rollout completed; proposal to enable VisualEditor for new accounts

• Interview: A veteran’s Wikipedia edits help him understand the brutality behind Yugoslavia’s wars

• News and notes: Labs outage kills tools, self; news in brief

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The Signpost: 24 June 2015

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• Op-ed: Content Translation beta is coming to the English Wikipedia

• Special report: Small impact of the large Google Translation Project on Telugu Wikipedia

• Featured content: One eye when begun, two when it's done

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• Technology report: 2015 MediaWiki architecture focus and Multimedia roadmap announced

• News and notes: Board of Trustees propose bylaw amendments

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The Signpost: 01 July 2015

• News and notes: Training the Trainers; VP of Engineering leaves WMF

• In the media: EU freedom of panorama; Nehru outrage; BBC apology

• WikiProject report: Able to make a stand

• Featured content: Viva V.E.R.D.I.

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Closure of a discussion

I had some issues/questions about the closing of Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 120#Clarifying/updating WP:BIRTHNAME with respect to MOS:IDENTITY. First of all your comment "birth names may be introduced by either 'born' or 'formerly'", I took that to mean you interpreted option 1 and option 3 to both have consensus. In my opinion the options conflict, as one dictates born, the other specifies formerly. I also took issue with there not being an option an option to include the factual birth-name for all people, that would be an issue with the neutrality of the proposal, as I expressed in my view that WP:BIRTHNAME and MOS:IDENTITY within the discussion, do not necessarily conflict. The first thing I brought up however, is much more of an issue for me.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 00:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

In the comments on options 1 and 3, most users seemed to be more concerned that notable birth names be listed than how they be introduced (e.g. NaBUru38, whose complete comment was "if the birth name is notable (like Manning), it should be in the lead"), and several users spelled out that they didn't care which word was used, namely Resolute, Sławomir Biały, Dirtlawyer1, me, and Aquillion, who said "I don't think that this aspect of the word-choice is really significant enough that we need to establish it via policy one way or the other." I commented on the 19th, a week and a half before closing the discussion, that "There seems to be nearly unanimous support for options 1 and 3 [...and] given the nature of them and the comments made on each, I take that to mean articles can use either 'born' or 'formerly'", and the only response was EvergreenFir's agreement with that assessment. On that basis, I felt that options 1 and 3 did not conflict and that the broad support for listing only notable birth names was not prevented from being recorded by the question of which word to use. -sche (talk) 02:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I generally advocate consistency, but I suppose both born and formerly are accurate. Born is a better clarification, but I suppose as the discussion only concerned the lead, it can be stated as born in a section below if necessary. I do think the proposal was a bit bias for not offering an option to treat subjects normally (per WP:BIRTHNAME), and include the subjects birth-name in the lead if known in all cases (to preserve factual history). However, unless someone else raises the issue, I think I'll leave it be. I was considering challenging the close, but I'm content with the reasoning you gave here for the main issue that I was concerned with. Thank you,—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 02:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Inasmuch as WP:BIRTHNAME (prior to being clarified as a result of the VPP thread) guided users to list birth names in all cases, the most apparent option for continuing the policy as-it-was was to oppose the proposed clarifications/changes to it. If someone had wanted, they could have added a section for supporting the policy as-it-was as distinct from opposing changes to it, but I think that would have been as confusing as [non-]option 5 in the other IDENTITY discussion (which, one can note, garnered very few comments in any direction).
In any case, yes, the discussion and WP:BIRTHNAME itself (the relevant section, from "While the article title should..." to "...December 17, 1987") only concern the lead. It's interesting to me how many things different subsets of Wikipedians either think are vital in the lead or think should be removed from the lead; the other day there was discussion of whether pronunciation information should stay in the lead or not. I'm tempted to propose that all non-notable birth names (even of cisgender people) be moved out of the lead and into "Early life" sections, since they are (by definition) not among the "most important aspects". -sche (talk) 03:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I lean the other way on that. When researching a person, a birth name is very valuable because it will be listed that way in a lot of places (e.g. legal records, etc.). I think it is among the most important aspects, especially in articles about individuals known popularly by a single name (i.e. Cher).

And to address the option of opposing for continuing policy as is: "Note, I do not offer a fourth option of using "born" for all people as that seems far too counter to MOS:IDENTITY", was the opinion offered by the proposer. I took issue with that, because for a truly neutral proposal, they would have offered the option even if their opinion didn't align with it. Their opinion was that the two policies conflicted. It would have been better if that were determined by community consensus, as opposed to by the person who formats/offers the proposal. My issue was with that, which I perceived as bias.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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@Darkfrog24 and Flyer22: This is wordy and general enough (far enough off the topic of the Jenner RFC) that I wasn't sure it'd be appropriate there, and couldn't think of where else to post it, but thought it might be of interest to you:

I used the search bar to search for instances of "cisgender" and went through all 224 results.

• 102 are uses of {{Transgender sidebar}}/{{Gender and sexual identities}} which link to [[Cisgender]],
• 1 is that article,
• 1 is the disambig page [[Cis]];
• 2 more are links in the see-alsos of Womyn-born womyn and Isis King (the latter could be dropped as insufficiently relevant);
• 2 hits are redirects,
• 8 are in quotations or refs' URLs (e.g. Zach Wahls, Eddie Redmayne),
• 8 mention the word as a word to define it or note its lexical properties (e.g. List of medical roots, suffixes and prefixes, Retronym, Transgender, Gender)

Of the remaining 100, I think many could be changed/dropped under existing policies and guidelines, and probably with little fanfare or opposition. On the other hand, quite a few uses seem like they'd be hard to change or remove and I'd be interested in your thoughts on them. (Searching the site for "cisgender -bigender" is a decent way of filtering out the hits that are only due to the two above-mentioned templates, if you want to look at all the hits yourself.) Examples:

• Hormone replacement therapy (female-to-male): "A trough level of 500 ng/dl is sought. (Normal range for a cisgender male is 290 to 900 ng/dl)." — I guess this could be changed to: "...for a biological male is..."
• Gender in Bugis society: "Two are analogous to cisgender male (oroané) and female (makkunrai), and the remaining three are not easily comparable to Western ideas of gender: bissu, calabai, and calalai. The latter two could roughly be compared to transgender females and males respectively, whereas bissu is a more abstract identity." — I'm not sure how this could be reworded, since the article is discussing two male and two female genders, one being transgender and the other ... "not transgender"? "Two are analogous to not-transgender male (oroané) and female (makkunrai) [...] two could roughly be compared to transgender females and males"? That sounds awkward.
• Angelina Valentine: "She won the XRCO Deep Throat Award in 2009, and was the first cisgender woman to perform with transsexual star Kimber James."
• Queer: "umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities that are not heterosexual or cisgender" — "umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities that are not heterosexual and that are transgender, genderqueer, or third-gender"? That seems unnecesarily prolix.
• Dena Hankins: "...called her novel Blue Water Dreams, featuring a love story between a queer cisgender woman and a transgender man, an "exciting debut", and..."

-sche (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I haven't clicked through the articles yet, but from your excerpts I think at least some of these are cases in which "cisgender" is a good choice. For example, in the case of Angelina Valentine, if what the writer means is that non-cis women had performed with Kimber James, then "cisgender," which draws attention to the fact that Valentine is not trans, gets right to the point. The problem with "biological male" is that it presupposes that trans men do not have any biological basis for being so, and that's probably not true. "Non-transgender" does not have this connotation. We could even say "normal range for an adult man," because that is the normal range for adult men and still would be even if someone saw fit to factor the small number of trans men in the population into it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:48, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, there. I was reading an RfC guideline yesterday and it stated we are not supposed to put the comments in separate buckets because it breaks the flow of conversation.

Also, is there a way to reach out to Editors that have issued "pa" template warnings to Editors who were editing sanctionable topics? They would probably be good candidates for the discussion.

Finally is there an invite that could be placed on the 20+ "Caitlyn Jenner" affiliated pages? I'll place them if that would help. Just tell me how.

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@Checkingfax: Hi! By 'separate buckets', are you referring to the division of the VPP thread into sections for 'Support Always Both', 'Support Both If Relevant', etc? Such sections are routinely added because they make threads easier to follow; the previous "RFC" also had such headers. (Btw, someone has pointed out on WT:MOS that technically both the previous thread and the current threads are "VPP threads" rather than "RFC"s, but you'll notice how many of the editors commenting on WT:MOS, including me, keep calling them RFCs out of habit, lol.)

I'm not sure what a "pa" template warning is, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that calling editors who received disciplinary-sanction warnings for editing the topic area would be wise (and it might be construed as canvassing). You could ask in the discussion section how others would feel about it.

Since the RFCs concern the general topic of how to refer to any trans individual, I'm not sure soliciting input from 20+ pages tangentially affiliated with one specific heatedly-discussed figure would be a good idea. First, it might appear to readers of the notices that this RFC was re-litigating the previous one which was (judged to be) on Jenner specifically, which some commenters on WT:MOS have suggested we should avoid. Second, it might bring in more heat than light.

Primary pages are covered by the first of the two threads.

As far as I can tell, the only mentions of "Bruce" on [[Caitlyn Jenner]] are in the lead, or in quotations or the proper names of things like "Bruce Jenner's Westwood Centers for Nautilus & Aerobics". Assuming that the quotations and the aerobics center are notable, they aren't affected by policies/guidelines on how Wikipedia in its own voice names trans people, and so they'll stay. (But one could question whether the aerobics center is actually notable.) The mention of her previous name in the lead will also stay, since her previous name is notable. -sche (talk) 23:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

"pa" is a LBGT/Hepiphilia topic code for Discretionary Sanction Alert templates. The pa topic code mades the notice and wikilinks topic specific and easy to set. The number of topic codes is staggering. My idea was to use the logs of Editors who place the DS/Alert/pa template to alert them to the current VPP MOSIDENTITY discussion.

Yes, the guideline I read yesterday said to let comments flow naturally instead being sectioned. BTW I sectioned an AfD for an article I created and was trying to save and Drmies blanked my attempt. I got the idea from SamWalton9 when he so chunked up the discussion for the Edit Filter discussion at VPP.

You're working hard on this. I hope it gels a new policy. Where is the proper Talk page for this?

PS: Do you know where to submit a tip-of-the-day suggestion?

PPS: Looking at your reply what is the effect of putting 8 brackets around Caitlyn's name? I'm always up for a new shortcut. Cheers! ...Checkingfax ( Talk ) 00:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Missing word (incomplete sentence)

At VPP shouldn't "Generally it is unnecessary to go in detail over changes" read "Generally it is unnecessary to go in *to* detail over changes"? Cheers! ...Checkingfax ( Talk ) 20:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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