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Fails [[WP:NENAN]] <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 23:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Fails [[WP:NENAN]] <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 23:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:<small>The good news: I am finished checking the 1290 templates created by Jax. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 23:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC) </small>
:<small>The good news: I am finished checking the 1290 templates created by Jax. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 23:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC) </small>
::LOL. Now we just have to wait for Jax to create enough articles to save as many as he can and notify Frietjes so he can proxy for him at TfD and add the articles to the nominated templates. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
::LOL. Now we just have to wait for Jax to create enough articles to save as many as he can and notify Frietjes so he can proxy for him at TfD and add the articles to the nominated templates. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
:::When he starts producing quality articles, I have no problem with that. Otherwise: the axe! {{smiley}} But I leave it to you to keep Jax on his toes. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 04:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
:::When he starts producing quality articles, I have no problem with that. Otherwise: the axe! {{smiley}} But I leave it to you to keep Jax on his toes. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 04:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
::: I would appreciate it if you would use my talk page if you have a problem with my edits instead of attacking me at TfD. I'm sure it's shocking that I actually have an opinion that is independent of yours and Jax. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
::: I would appreciate it if you would use my talk page if you have a problem with my edits instead of attacking me at TfD. I'm sure it's shocking that I actually have an opinion that is independent of yours and Jax. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Niclas Engelin]] ====
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==== Fuzzy templates ====
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==== Record labels ====
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:{{Tfd links|Carved Records}}
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No need for nav boxes on record labels containing all signed bands and issued albums <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
No need for nav boxes on record labels containing all signed bands and issued albums <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' These are ones that have no reason to be. Record label artists change regularly and other than the label there is no relationship between each artist and their releases. Created only to give the artist and album articles a navbox in an overreaching attempt to meet [[WP:ANOEP]] because the artists listed only have a couple of releases. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' These are ones that have no reason to be. Record label artists change regularly and other than the label there is no relationship between each artist and their releases. Created only to give the artist and album articles a navbox in an overreaching attempt to meet [[WP:ANOEP]] because the artists listed only have a couple of releases. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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* '''keep''', recorded more than one album under his own name (see [[Bill Bruford#Solo career]]), and the other projects are very closely related, especially the duo work. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
* '''keep''', recorded more than one album under his own name (see [[Bill Bruford#Solo career]]), and the other projects are very closely related, especially the duo work. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
** ''Bill Bruford led his own band in the late 1970s, called simply "Bruford"'', what means that it are recording by the band, not by Bill Bruford himself. Perhaps this template can be reworked to give an overview of all ensembles he played in. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
** ''Bill Bruford led his own band in the late 1970s, called simply "Bruford"'', what means that it are recording by the band, not by Bill Bruford himself. Perhaps this template can be reworked to give an overview of all ensembles he played in. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' and rework as there is also [[Earthworks (band)]] which Bruford also led. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' and rework as there is also [[Earthworks (band)]] which Bruford also led. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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==== Jax templates failing [[WP:NENAN]] ====
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**Sorry, but I count the existing links. I don't use a crystal ball to see what the future can be bringing. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
**Sorry, but I count the existing links. I don't use a crystal ball to see what the future can be bringing. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
***and deleting ones that will be shortly recreated is a pointless exercise (sloppy nomination [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATommy_Shaw&diff=558816157&oldid=523765867 can be just as troublesome]). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
***and deleting ones that will be shortly recreated is a pointless exercise (sloppy nomination [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATommy_Shaw&diff=558816157&oldid=523765867 can be just as troublesome]). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
****There's a big difference between the potential growth for navboxes such as the ones for Dean Martin and Peter Schilling. While neither as is pass NENAN, there are plenty of other articles for albums and songs by Dean Martin that can be added to {{tl|Dean Martin}}. There are no such additional articles for Peter Schilling to populate {{tl|Peter Schilling}} further. '''Keep''' Martin, '''Delete''' Schilling. Per [[WP:TfD]], "templates should not be nominated if they can be fixed by normal editing". I really wish you would slow down Banner. I know you're just attempting to clean up Jax's mess and have put a lot of time in reviewing his history of horrible navbox creations, but this is starting to look more like a crusade. You're just cluttering up TfD with only you and Frietjes regularly taking part in these discussions, which IMO is not beneficial to the process. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 18:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
****There's a big difference between the potential growth for navboxes such as the ones for Dean Martin and Peter Schilling. While neither as is pass NENAN, there are plenty of other articles for albums and songs by Dean Martin that can be added to {{tl|Dean Martin}}. There are no such additional articles for Peter Schilling to populate {{tl|Peter Schilling}} further. '''Keep''' Martin, '''Delete''' Schilling. Per [[WP:TfD]], "templates should not be nominated if they can be fixed by normal editing". I really wish you would slow down Banner. I know you're just attempting to clean up Jax's mess and have put a lot of time in reviewing his history of horrible navbox creations, but this is starting to look more like a crusade. You're just cluttering up TfD with only you and Frietjes regularly taking part in these discussions, which IMO is not beneficial to the process. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 18:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
***** and Peter Schilling technically passes the arbitrary requirement, which is an essay by the way. I agree that the use of a "mass nomination spree" was not well thought out, since it reduces the quality of the discussion, and titling the nominations with Jax makes it look like an attack on an editor. if this were all based on some sort of policy, they would have been speedy deletion candidates. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
***** and Peter Schilling technically passes the arbitrary requirement, which is an essay by the way. I agree that the use of a "mass nomination spree" was not well thought out, since it reduces the quality of the discussion, and titling the nominations with Jax makes it look like an attack on an editor. if this were all based on some sort of policy, they would have been speedy deletion candidates. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
****** I wasn't arguing NENAN for keeping or deleting but as a response to the nomination, which was based strictly on the number of existing links. Meaning, I wouldn't suggest deleting the Dean Martin template even if it had only 2 links. And thanks for letting me know that [[WP:NENAN]] is an essay, I didn't know that. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
****** I wasn't arguing NENAN for keeping or deleting but as a response to the nomination, which was based strictly on the number of existing links. Meaning, I wouldn't suggest deleting the Dean Martin template even if it had only 2 links. And thanks for letting me know that [[WP:NENAN]] is an essay, I didn't know that. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Moist, not about [[moist]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.79.6|65.94.79.6]] ([[User talk:65.94.79.6|talk]]) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Moist, not about [[moist]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.79.6|65.94.79.6]] ([[User talk:65.94.79.6|talk]]) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
** right, because there is no way to rename a template. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
** right, because there is no way to rename a template. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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**Usually, the backlink to the subject of the template is not counted as a relevant link. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 18:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
**Usually, the backlink to the subject of the template is not counted as a relevant link. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 18:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
*** right, because the subject is the least relevant. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
*** right, because the subject is the least relevant. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
****Not that it's not relevant, but because every one of these types of navboxes automatically has one link (the subject article), and if this navbox is already in each one of the other articles, it most assuredly will have a link to the subject already. --<font color="blue">Star</font><font color="orange">cheers</font><font color="green">peaks</font><font color="red">news</font><font color="black">lost</font><font color="blue">wars</font><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
****Not that it's not relevant, but because every one of these types of navboxes automatically has one link (the subject article), and if this navbox is already in each one of the other articles, it most assuredly will have a link to the subject already. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. The guest musicians are too loosely-connected to justify inclusion in the navbox, and without them there are not enough links. Per [[WP:NENAN]], the head article should not be counted (because the article will link to it alreday), so that leaves us with only 4 links (to the albums).<br />Also, [[Stop the World (Aranda album)]] shows no evidence of notability. If that page is deleted (as it should be), there would be only 3 links. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 08:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. The guest musicians are too loosely-connected to justify inclusion in the navbox, and without them there are not enough links. Per [[WP:NENAN]], the head article should not be counted (because the article will link to it alreday), so that leaves us with only 4 links (to the albums).<br />Also, [[Stop the World (Aranda album)]] shows no evidence of notability. If that page is deleted (as it should be), there would be only 3 links. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 08:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - not enough useful links for navigation. There are only 4 core links aside from the main article. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 20:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - not enough useful links for navigation. There are only 4 core links aside from the main article. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 20:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN (3th cluster)

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The result of the discussion was delete Days Away, Jessie James, And One, The Ghost Inside, Jamey Jasta, Yuka Honda, and Disarmonia Mundi, keep Zola Jesus, Crime in Stereo, Joi, and no consensus for the rest. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Days Away (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Endwell (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Lower Than Atlantis (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:The Blue Van (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:And One (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Jessie James (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Audio Bullys (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Crime in Stereo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Disarmonia Mundi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:The Flatliners (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:The Ghost Inside (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Flesh-n-Bone (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Yuka Honda (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Jasmine Guy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ihsahn (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:ICS Vortex (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Jamey Jasta (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ion Dissonance (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Zola Jesus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Joi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 23:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The good news: I am finished checking the 1290 templates created by Jax. The Banner talk 23:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC) [reply]
LOL. Now we just have to wait for Jax to create enough articles to save as many as he can and notify Frietjes so he can proxy for him at TfD and add the articles to the nominated templates. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When he starts producing quality articles, I have no problem with that. Otherwise: the axe! But I leave it to you to keep Jax on his toes. The Banner talk 04:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would appreciate it if you would use my talk page if you have a problem with my edits instead of attacking me at TfD. I'm sure it's shocking that I actually have an opinion that is independent of yours and Jax. Frietjes (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep the ones that have enough links, delete the ones that don't. it should be a simple counting exercise to figure out which one had enough links, but was still nominated, which ones now have enough links after linking EPs and songs that were unlinked. Frietjes (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. These templates have varying elements and qualifications going for them. Some of these are worth keeping, while others are not. I would probably say that templates worth keeping would include those with more than one section, such as Zola Jesus and Audio Bullys. Templates worth deleting would include those which detail thin discographies, or which only host studio albums, such as the templates of Jessie James and Disarmonia Mundi. I would also discourage templates that feature partial or full discographies of other music projects, as well as templates that focus on a singular musician without an actual solo career. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 06:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:NENAN asks for at least 5 relevant links towards the subject. Excluded from those relevant links are in effect the backlink to the subject itself, "related items" (most of the time the linked item is not directly relevant to the subject, like record companies or other bands). Links other bands are also seen as not relevant to the subject (those bands should have their own nav box when enough relevant links available) The Banner talk 20:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Invisibl Skratch Piklz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on the name of Invisibl Skratch Piklz The Banner talk 23:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Paweł Jaroszewicz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 23:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Andy Hurley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 23:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ian & Sylvia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A strange mix up of solo works and band works. Unfortunately, I don't see any works of the duo itself so fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 23:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Don Devore (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 23:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zach Hill (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Only four albums (?) on his own name, of which three have no article. The Banner talk 23:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anthony Green (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just two albums on his own name. The Banner talk 23:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ace Enders (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Niclas Engelin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant solo careers, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:08, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Steve DiGiorgio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name?? The Banner talk 22:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant solo careers, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AJ Cheek (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AJ Cheek and a speedy deletion, the artist belonging to this template has no article anymore. The Banner talk 10:53, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
weak delete or reformat as a template for Revive. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Martin Westerstrand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dan the Automator (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fuzzy template not making clear what belongs to the musician. With just three clear relevant links fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chad Ackerman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 15:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mark Boals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just three albums on his own name The Banner talk 15:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuzzy templates

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The result of the discussion was delete and move as suggested. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uli Kusch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Roland Grapow (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Greg Anderson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Attila Csihar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fuzzy template not making clear what belongs to the musician. No own works? The Banner talk 15:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Record labels

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Indianola Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Centricity Music (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Smallman Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Carved Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No need for nav boxes on record labels containing all signed bands and issued albums The Banner talk 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all These are ones that have no reason to be. Record label artists change regularly and other than the label there is no relationship between each artist and their releases. Created only to give the artist and album articles a navbox in an overreaching attempt to meet WP:ANOEP because the artists listed only have a couple of releases. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anders Nyström (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 13:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sebastian Komor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Unclear what solo projects/aliases belongs to him and relevant for a nav box about the musician The Banner talk 13:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Andy LaPlegua (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Unclear if he as any items on his own name. The Banner talk 13:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN (2nd cluster)

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The result of the discussion was delete Monie Love, MC Shan, Juke Kartel, and Long Distance Calling no consensus for Linda Chung, Dan Hill, and October Tide. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Juke Kartel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Monie Love (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:MC Shan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Dan Hill (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Linda Chung (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Long Distance Calling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:October Tide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Juice Crew (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on their own name The Banner talk 13:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant careers under their own naqme, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sonny Throckmorton (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Not a clue why this was kept after the first nomination, as there were and still are only four relevant links. The Banner talk 11:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Todd Smith (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just two items under his own name (i.e. El-Creepo!) The Banner talk 11:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete once you remove the intersection with Dog Fashion Disco (which has a navbox), the next largest project is Polkadot Cadaver. however, since Polkadot Cadaver is a continuation of Dog Fashion Disco, that content could be merged there. then, there is very little left, as indicated in the nomination. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fiona McDonald (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on her own name. The Banner talk 11:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisting on WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 22Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bill Bruford (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to fail WP:NENAN as he only recorded one album on his own name. The Banner talk 11:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Warp Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No need for a nav box on record labels listing all albums and bands The Banner talk 11:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jerry Roush (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 11:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ivan Moody (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 11:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chris Robinson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to fail WP:NENAN, unless the "New Earth Mud band members" (background band??) are important enough. The Banner talk 10:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete, the notability here is the connection with The Black Crowes and Chris Robinson Brotherhood. some of the content could be potentially merged with Chris Robinson Brotherhood in a related section. Frietjes (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dave Witte (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 10:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Brady Seals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN as only three of his four albums have their own articles and none of his singles. The songs of a band he played in are not relevant for a nav box nor is another band member. The Banner talk 10:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Johnny Duncan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Jon Secada (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Bill Medley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Peter Schilling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Stereo MCs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Kid Frost (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Dean Martin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:D Mob (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Saafir (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Prince Po (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Trace Bundy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Caron Wheeler (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Blood Red Shoes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Moist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Miho Hatori (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 10:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep Johnny Duncan (see discography), Jon Secada (see discography), Bill Medley (see discography), Peter Schilling (see discography), Stereo MCs (songs weren't linked), Kid Frost (added one link, more to add), Dean Martin (see Category:Dean Martin albums and Category:Dean Martin songs), Trace Bundy (see discography), Moist (add two songs which weren't linked), Blood Red Shoes (songs weren't linked), D Mob (added a song); indifferent Caron Wheeler (see discography), Saafir (still active); delete Prince Po (not enough outside of the intersection with Organized Konfusion), Miho Hatori. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, but I count the existing links. I don't use a crystal ball to see what the future can be bringing. The Banner talk 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • and deleting ones that will be shortly recreated is a pointless exercise (sloppy nomination can be just as troublesome). Frietjes (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • There's a big difference between the potential growth for navboxes such as the ones for Dean Martin and Peter Schilling. While neither as is pass NENAN, there are plenty of other articles for albums and songs by Dean Martin that can be added to {{Dean Martin}}. There are no such additional articles for Peter Schilling to populate {{Peter Schilling}} further. Keep Martin, Delete Schilling. Per WP:TfD, "templates should not be nominated if they can be fixed by normal editing". I really wish you would slow down Banner. I know you're just attempting to clean up Jax's mess and have put a lot of time in reviewing his history of horrible navbox creations, but this is starting to look more like a crusade. You're just cluttering up TfD with only you and Frietjes regularly taking part in these discussions, which IMO is not beneficial to the process. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • and Peter Schilling technically passes the arbitrary requirement, which is an essay by the way. I agree that the use of a "mass nomination spree" was not well thought out, since it reduces the quality of the discussion, and titling the nominations with Jax makes it look like an attack on an editor. if this were all based on some sort of policy, they would have been speedy deletion candidates. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • I wasn't arguing NENAN for keeping or deleting but as a response to the nomination, which was based strictly on the number of existing links. Meaning, I wouldn't suggest deleting the Dean Martin template even if it had only 2 links. And thanks for letting me know that WP:NENAN is an essay, I didn't know that. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Moist, not about moist -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep for now. It seems that some of these navboxes may have more merit than others, and trying to discuss their varying merits doesn't fit well in one group nomination. So I suggest closing this group nom, and opening individual nominations for any of these templates which the nominator still thinks should be deleted. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aranda (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. I don't think guest musicians are relevant at all. The Banner talk 18:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Digital Summer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. I don't think guest musicians are relevant at all. The Banner talk 18:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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Association football international friendly competitions navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was delete Albania, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Faroe Islands, and no consensus on the others. Please feel free to relist any of the ones that were kept. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Albania (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Austria (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Azerbaijan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Belarus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Belgium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Bosnia and Herzegovina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Bulgaria (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Croatia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Cyprus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in the Czech Republic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Czechoslovakia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in England (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Estonia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in the Faroe Islands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Finland (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Further to TFD consensus from March 2013, these templates do not serve any purpose as they do not efficiently navigate between notable articles. There are a total of 45 such templates remaining; over the coming weeks I intend to bring them all to TFD in 3 batches of 15. GiantSnowman 13:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:42, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Strong oppose for Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, England, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Scotland, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, USA, Yugoslavia. Normal navboxes there. The purpose is useful navigation between such tournaments. But other templates (Luxembourg, Albania, Moldova, Malta, etc) with one-two links must be deleted. Btw, WP:NENAN is only essay, not rule. Another essay is Wikipedia:A navbox on every page. NickSt (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have mentioned a number of templates which have not been nominated, and you have not mentioned a number of templates that have. Please can you specify which nominated templates you believe should be kept, which you believe should be deleted, and why? GiantSnowman 16:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, England, Estonia, Finland. Navigation between more than 4–5 tournaments (for top-football countries usually). Delete: Albania, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Faroe Islands. Unneeded navigation between 1–3 articles only. I don't sure about Belgium, because only one blue link now. NickSt (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - I don't think these templates provide navigation between related articles, they provide navigation between remotely related articles (at first it looks like these templates are for tournaments hosted by a country, but it looks like other tournaments where teams from that country participates also are included). The Scandinavian ones were deleted in March 2013, and when I look at the other countries it is a similar problem: One friendly-tournament for national teams are in the same template as a competitive tournament for clubs just because it happens to be arranged in the same country. IIt should also be noted that articles like Baltic Cup (football) and Balkan Cup (and probably many others) got several of these templates. WP:A navbox on every page is an essay, not WP:Fourteen navboxes on every page. My guess is that a template that includes international tournaments in Europe (like the two mentioned above and the Nordic Football Championship and similar articles) or one template with friendly tournaments for clubs (as long as you differ between competetive and friendly tournaments) would have a bigger chance of surviving TfD than these templates, as they would provide navigation between related articles. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Who's a deletionist? Please retract your slur. A discussion in a very public location is still binding, regardless of whether 2 people participate or 100 - and others are in agreement, as seen by the 'delete' !votes above. GiantSnowman 08:44, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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