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:''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[wikipedia:requests for adminship|request for adminship]] that '''did not succeed'''. <strong style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</strong>[[Category:Unsuccessful requests for adminship|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

===[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ZooFari 3|ZooFari]]===
===[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ZooFari 3|ZooFari]]===
Final: '''(17/19/7) - withdrawn by candidate, closed at 21:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)'''
<span class="plainlinks">'''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ZooFari 3|action=edit&section=5}} <font color="#002BB8">Voice your opinion on this candidate</font>]'''</span> ([[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/ZooFari 3|talk page]])
'''{{rfatally|ZooFari 3}}, Scheduled to end 22:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)'''


====Nomination====
====Nomination====
{{User|ZooFari}}&nbsp;– Howdy! I was on the IRC channel the other day and my adoptee encouraged me to run an RFA. So here I am! I've been here at Wikipedia for some quite time preceding 2 unsuccessful RFAs. The first one was what I like to call the "Newbie RFA", which ran late last year. You've all seen them around :-). The second one was basically clarification for me. At the time I had already started vandal-fighting and all those good stuff, thus I used the RFA for feedback. I think I've improved significantly, acting more mature and gained more experience. I work with SVGs at the Graphic Lab, stub-sort, and do some huggling here and then. More about my contribs in question 2. I have a few adoptees, but only three are active: [[User:Srinivas]], [[User:Zink Dawg]], and recently adopted [[User:Ontoyinsimon]]. Srinivas has reached a high level in Wikipedia and we've know each other for months now. He is running [[User:ZooFari/Inspection/Srinivas|an inspection]] so you may view the progress I've been doing to help teach editors to keep a good behavior.
{{User|ZooFari}}&nbsp;– Howdy! I was on the IRC channel the other day and my adoptee encouraged me to run an RFA. So here I am! I've been here at Wikipedia for some quite time preceding 2 unsuccessful RFAs. The first one was what I like to call the "Newbie RFA", which ran late last year. You've all seen them around :-). The second one was basically clarification for me. At the time I had already started vandal-fighting and all those good stuff, thus I used the RFA for feedback. I think I've improved significantly, acting more mature and gained more experience. I work with SVGs at the Graphic Lab, stub-sort, and do some huggling here and then. More about my contribs in question 2. I have a few adoptees, but only three are active: [[User:Srinivas]], [[User:Zink Dawg]], and recently adopted [[User:Ontoyinsimon]]. Srinivas has reached a high level in Wikipedia and we've know each other for months now. He is running [[User:ZooFari/Inspection/Srinivas|an inspection]] so you may view the progress I've been doing to help teach editors to keep a good behavior.


Additionally I could use some more buttons when I work in new page patrolling using AWB (which I believe has a delete button disabled to non-admins). I usually just skip those pages but with the aid of AWB, I would easily delete those pages immediately. More in question 1. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">[[User:ZooFari|Zoo]]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">[[User talk:ZooFari|Fari]]</font>''' 20:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Additionally I could use some more buttons when I work in new page patrolling using AWB (which I believe has a delete button disabled to non-admins). I usually just skip those pages but with the aid of AWB, I would easily delete those pages immediately. More in question 1. '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 20:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:''<!-- The candidate may make an optional statement here. If this request is a self nomination, feel free to remove this line. Also, do not forget to remove the <! -- and -- > around subst: (but leave subst: itself) at the beginning. -->
:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:''<!-- The candidate may make an optional statement here. If this request is a self nomination, feel free to remove this line. Also, do not forget to remove the <! -- and -- > around subst: (but leave subst: itself) at the beginning. --> Withdraw as expected. Cheers, '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 17:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


====Questions for the candidate====
====Questions for the candidate====
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;Question from Ched
;Question from Ched
:'''5.''' Have you ever edited under another account? If so, would you be willing to disclose that information? <small>(Note: I have not researched any previous RfAs or contribs yet)</small> — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 21:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:'''5.''' Have you ever edited under another account? If so, would you be willing to disclose that information? <small>(Note: I have not researched any previous RfAs or contribs yet)</small> — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::'''A:''' No, I've never edited under an alternative account or IP.
::'''A:''' No, I've never edited under an alternative account or IP.


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:'''6.''' What is the difference between a ban and a block?
:'''6.''' What is the difference between a ban and a block?
::'''A:'''A block refers to the removal of privileges in editing articles and is decided by an administrator. Bans are decided by the ArbCom which involves a part of the community. A ban focuses on a scope of Wikipedia rather than any random article, unlike blocks. There's also a site ban, which prohibits the editing privileges of any page including his/her own talk page. Bans may last longer than blocks depending on the situation.
::'''A:'''
:'''7.''' When should cool down blocks be used and why?
:'''7.''' When should cool down blocks be used and why?
::'''A:''' I don't think using cool-down blocks would resolve a situation. I think it would make editors angry for such punishments thus I would say not to use that alternative, but if you are looking for a more elaborate answer, I would say in very very rare cases.
::'''A:'''
:'''8.''' Could you please provide examples of inadequate reports to [[WP:AIV]] (that you would decline and remove from that page without blocking the user reported)?
:'''8.''' Could you please provide examples of inadequate reports to [[WP:AIV]] (that you would decline and remove from that page without blocking the user reported)?
::'''A:''' Reports made to the AIV should only be users contributing blatant vandalism that fall under [[WP:VANDALISM|this]]. Users whom you disagree with (or hate) should be [[WP:AGF|assumed good faith]] and take an alternative venue in resolving the conflict. For example, a user who is edit warring but not necessarily vandalizing, those type of reports belong on the Administrator's noticeboard under edit warring. Additionally, a vandal reporting an experienced user would also be rejected or reverted in some cases.
::'''A:'''




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'''Optional question from [[user:Katerenka|Katerenka]]'''
'''Optional question from [[user:Katerenka|Katerenka]]'''
:'''14.''' How do you feel you have addressed the concerns that were brought up in the oppose section of your last RfA?
:'''14.''' How do you feel you have addressed the concerns that were brought up in the oppose section of your last RfA?
::'''A:'''

''' Question from [[User:Leaky_caldron|Leaky Caldron]]'''

:'''15.''' Have you read the discussion at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Administrators_aiding_a_sock_puppet_at_RFA]? How, as an administrator, would you avoid a conflict of interest between your sysop duties and any personal loyality you might have to your "friends" on Wikipedia?
::'''A:'''

;'''Optional question from [[User:Kingpin13|Kingpin]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kingpin13|13]]</sup> ([[User talk:Kingpin13|talk]])'''
:Hi there ZooFari, and sorry to pile on more questions :). But I noticed you said you plan to do CSD work, and unfortunately I haven't often experience your work first-hand, so I took a look through your talk-page CSD warnings to see if the warnings matched what ever CSD the deleting admin used, and you seem to be doing all right, with a few mistakes. I just wanted to ask a few questions related to CSD to try and get your knowledge of this area. Thanks for your time :)
:'''16a''' A new page is created with the content "hi im nichoals jameson, i ws walkin down the stret tday, and I wlkd int a lampst LOL! i <3 cake. later!", does this page meet (a) {{sdl|G1}} (b) {{sdl|G2}} (c) {{sdl|A7}}? What would you delete it as (if anything), and why?
::'''A:'''
:'''16b''' A new user is creating a number of pages with "<nowiki>#REDIRECT </nowiki>[[[[Good Automobiles.com]]]]". The user has no edits except these page creations. What actions would you take? Why?
::'''A:'''
:'''16c''' Pretend I'm a '''new''' user doing a number of good CSD tags, but not warning the creators of the articles, or marking the article as patrolled. You decide to tell me how to do this on my talkpage, write the message you would leave me as your answer:
::'''A:'''
;'''Optional question from [[User:Keepscases|Keepscases]]'''
:'''17.''' Would you be willing to lend some of your efforts towards publishing Wikipedia in [[Braille]]?
::'''A:'''
::'''A:'''


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*General editing statistics from X!'s editing counter posted at the talk page. [[User:Katerenka|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:deeppink">–Katerenka</span>]] <small>[[user talk:Katerenka|(talk •]] [[Special:Contributions/Katerenka|contribs)]]</small> 21:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
*General editing statistics from X!'s editing counter posted at the talk page. [[User:Katerenka|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:deeppink">–Katerenka</span>]] <small>[[user talk:Katerenka|(talk •]] [[Special:Contributions/Katerenka|contribs)]]</small> 21:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:*I'm confused, above where it asks whether or not ZooFari accepts the nomination, it is written "Withdraw as expected". Does that mean that ZooFari has withdrawn from the RfA? -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 21:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

:The user has withdrawn [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ZooFari_3&diff=318083088&oldid=318081476] I won't close it as I've participated, but could someone else do the honours please. (handy guide [[User:EVula/admin#RfA_closure|here]] if you haven't before). <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 21:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
=====Support=====
=====Support=====
#I've seen you around - excellent image work. I think you'll do fine. '''[[User:Ceranthor|<font color="#2F4F4F" face="Optima">ceran</font>]]'''[[User_talk:Ceranthor|<font color="#2F4F4F" face="Optima">''thor''</font>]] 21:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#I've seen you around - excellent image work. I think you'll do fine. '''[[User:Ceranthor|<span style="color:#2F4F4F; font-family:Optima;">ceran</span>]]'''[[User_talk:Ceranthor|<span style="color:#2F4F4F; font-family:Optima;">''thor''</span>]] 21:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#Seeing you around leaves me with a good impression. --'''[[User:Dylan620|<font color="blue">Dylan</font>]][[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="purple">620</font>]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|contribs]], [[Special:Log/Dylan620|logs]], [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dylan620 (3)|review]]) 21:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#Seeing you around leaves me with a good impression. --'''[[User:Dylan620|<span style="color:blue;">Dylan</span>]][[User talk:Dylan620|<span style="color:purple;">620</span>]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|contribs]], [[Special:Log/Dylan620|logs]], [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dylan620 (3)|review]]) 21:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Weak support''' - I haven't done a look-through of your contribs, but I get a generally positive impression of your work from prior interactions and what I've seen of you. Nice image work, you seem to be a good and pretty reasonable editor - you might be light on experience in certain deletion areas (see neutral #1), but nothing is a negative at this point. Will revisit this soon (I haven't done much research, tbh), but since you seem good, I'm starting off in the support column. Good luck, [[User:JamieS93|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Jamie'''</font>]]'''[[User talk:JamieS93|<font style="color:#50C878">S93</font>]]''' 21:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Weak support'''</s> - I haven't done a look-through of your contribs, but I get a generally positive impression of your work from prior interactions and what I've seen of you. Nice image work, you seem to be a good and pretty reasonable editor - you might be light on experience in certain deletion areas (see neutral #1), but nothing is a negative at this point. Will revisit this soon (I haven't done much research, tbh), but since you seem good, I'm starting off in the support column. Good luck, [[User:JamieS93|<span style="color:#4682b4">'''Jamie'''</span>]]'''[[User talk:JamieS93|<span style="color:#50C878">S93</span>]]''' 21:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' not every admin, or admin candidate has to be involved in AfD. The mop has many uses. Candidate seems entirely suitable.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 21:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' not every admin, or admin candidate has to be involved in AfD. The mop has many uses. Candidate seems entirely suitable.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 21:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seen him around. I actually thought about nominating him once but didn't have the time. Good luck! [[User:Timmeh|<span style="color:darkred;font:bold 10pt kristen itc">Tim</span>]][[User talk:Timmeh|<span style="color:black;font:bold 10pt kristen itc">meh</span>]] 21:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seen him around. I actually thought about nominating him once but didn't have the time. Good luck! [[User:Timmeh|<span style="color:darkred;font:bold 10pt kristen itc">Tim</span>]][[User talk:Timmeh|<span style="color:black;font:bold 10pt kristen itc">meh</span>]] 21:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#clean block log, civil editor, and takes nice photos [[commons:Category:Images_by_ZooFari]] ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span> 22:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#clean block log, civil editor, and takes nice photos [[commons:Category:Images_by_ZooFari]] ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 22:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#I am not convinced by either Pedro or Majoreditor; IRC isn't necessarily bad (though I don't use it), so long as it isn't used to discuss things that should have transparency (i.e. admin actions). I guess I can understand the argument IRC user - immature admin, but I don't buy it; for me to be convinced that somebody's not mature enough to be an admin, I'd have to see examples of immaturity and poor judgment. I see his comment about RfA candidates as a good thing, because it shows he's cautious of biting newbies - which is a huge plus when considering that he's going to work at CSD, where a trigger happy admin can turn away many potentially valuable editors. [[User:Master&amp;Expert|'''<span style="color:Blue">Master&amp;</span>'''<span style="color:#00FFFF">Expert</span>]] ([[User talk:Master&amp;Expert|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]) 23:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#I am not convinced by either Pedro or Majoreditor; IRC isn't necessarily bad (though I don't use it), so long as it isn't used to discuss things that should have transparency (i.e. admin actions). I guess I can understand the argument IRC user - immature admin, but I don't buy it; for me to be convinced that somebody's not mature enough to be an admin, I'd have to see examples of immaturity and poor judgment. I see his comment about RfA candidates as a good thing, because it shows he's cautious of biting newbies - which is a huge plus when considering that he's going to work at CSD, where a trigger happy admin can turn away many potentially valuable editors. [[User:Master&amp;Expert|'''<span style="color:Blue">Master&amp;</span>'''<span style="color:#00FFFF">Expert</span>]] ([[User talk:Master&amp;Expert|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]) 23:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Could you elaborate on how Zoofari is overly cautious about biting newbies? The majority of Zoofari's talk page edits to 'newbies' are automated Huggle edits – See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=ZooFari&namespace=3 this]. -<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Fastily|<big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small>]]'''</span> <sup><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS"><small>[[User talk:Fastily|(T<small>ALK</small>)]]</small></span></sup> 23:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Could you elaborate on how Zoofari is overly cautious about biting newbies? The majority of Zoofari's talk page edits to 'newbies' are automated Huggle edits – See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=ZooFari&namespace=3 this]. -<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Fastily|<big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small>]]'''</span> <sup><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS"><small>[[User talk:Fastily|(T<small>ALK</small>)]]</small></span></sup> 23:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::I wouldn't say he's ''overly'' cautious. I wouldn't expect anybody to type out a full message to somebody in warning of their edits being disruptive - templated messages make things easier, and are only bitey if the person in question didn't actually vandalize. Occasionally biting somebody by mistake is bound to happen at some point or another, especially if you're an admin. But unless I see specific examples of ZooFari reverting edits that aren't vandalism (and those examples had to have happened between his most recent RfA and now in order for me to take them into consideration), I'll assume that he's not a mindless patroller. What I saw in that comment at RfA talk was ZooFari considering things from the POV of a good-faith n00b who doesn't know how RfA works yet - of course I disagree with what he said, but at least he can see things through the viewpoint of others. That's my $0.02 though, I'm sure my comment's not particularly persuasive considering I (admittedly) don't pour tons of time into investigating a candidate myself - I believe adminship isn't that big of a deal (in the sense that I would trust most people with it provided they wouldn't f*ck up royally). [[User:Master&amp;Expert|'''<span style="color:Blue">Master&amp;</span>'''<span style="color:#00FFFF">Expert</span>]] ([[User talk:Master&amp;Expert|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]) 01:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#::I wouldn't say he's ''overly'' cautious. I wouldn't expect anybody to type out a full message to somebody in warning of their edits being disruptive - templated messages make things easier, and are only bitey if the person in question didn't actually vandalize. Occasionally biting somebody by mistake is bound to happen at some point or another, especially if you're an admin. But unless I see specific examples of ZooFari reverting edits that aren't vandalism (and those examples had to have happened between his most recent RfA and now in order for me to take them into consideration), I'll assume that he's not a mindless patroller. What I saw in that comment at RfA talk was ZooFari considering things from the POV of a good-faith n00b who doesn't know how RfA works yet - of course I disagree with what he said, but at least he can see things through the viewpoint of others. That's my $0.02 though, I'm sure my comment's not particularly persuasive considering I (admittedly) don't pour tons of time into investigating a candidate myself - I believe adminship isn't that big of a deal (in the sense that I would trust most people with it provided they wouldn't f*ck up royally). [[User:Master&amp;Expert|'''<span style="color:Blue">Master&amp;</span>'''<span style="color:#00FFFF">Expert</span>]] ([[User talk:Master&amp;Expert|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]) 01:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Weak Support''': seems like a good editor despite immaturities.. [[User:South Bay|South Bay]] ([[User talk:South Bay|talk]]) 01:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seems okay to me. Encouraging more civility and sensitity at RfAs shouldn't be punished, even if the phrasing wasn't perfect. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. No reason to believe they would abuse the tools. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 02:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' I agree with those above and I to those naysayers, whoever doesn't make a few mistakes on this site shouldn't even be an administrator. [[user:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 02:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#I thought hard about this one. The bottom line is that the user seems to be a nice person, is reasonably experienced, and appears to be willing to accept and adopt to criticism (at least based on my superficial research of their contributions). The SVG work is fantastic. Like ChildofMidnight, I also liked the RfA talk comment even if it was worded poorly. The big niggle I have is the paucity of substantive articlespace contributions. If this RfA is successful, my suggestion would be to stick to areas of expertise (images/files for deletion, etc.) initially -- [[User:Samir|Samir]] 05:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Seems a good candidate. [[User:Manning Bartlett|Manning]] ([[User talk:Manning Bartlett|talk]]) 06:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#Very good interactions; I've always thought him to be a nice candidate. <strong>[[user:Pmlinediter|<span style="color:Orange">'''Pmlineditor'''</span>]]</strong>&nbsp;<big><big><big>[[user talk:Pmlinediter|<span style="color:#50C878">'''∞'''</span>]]</big></big></big> 07:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' no reason to think they'll misuse the tools. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#{{User:Belinrahs/support}} Looked over contribs and I see no reason to be alarmed. Pretty impressed actually, I think you'll do fine with the tools. ['''[[User:Belinrahs|Belinrahs]]''' '''&#124;''' [[User talk:Belinrahs|'sup?]] '''&#124;''' [[Special:Contributions/Belinrahs|what'd I do?]]] 17:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' [[User:Bwrs|Bwrs]] ([[User talk:Bwrs|talk]]) 19:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Moral Support''' I think your on your way, but not quite there. However, I don't want to pile-on below, so Moral Support. [[User:America69|America69]] ([[User talk:America69|talk]]) 20:22, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


=====Oppose=====
=====Oppose=====
#''"I was on the IRC channel the other day .."''. Nope. Bad thing. Rational arguments against my oppose only please. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 21:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#''"I was on the IRC channel the other day .."''. Nope. Bad thing. Rational arguments against my oppose only please. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 21:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Though I know there are issues with IRC, isn't it a little harsh to hold mere participation against the candidate with no proof of him taking part in any controversy there? Not everything that happens on IRC is "omgz you called Cyclonenim a gayboy, no RfA for yous". There is (believe it or not) some constructive activity there. If you could elaborate on your oppose, it'd be much appreciated. I should note that I have not yet made my mind up on this candidate, and haven't looked over them at all, so please don't consider this badgering. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<font style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 21:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Though I know there are issues with IRC, isn't it a little harsh to hold mere participation against the candidate with no proof of him taking part in any controversy there? Not everything that happens on IRC is "omgz you called Cyclonenim a gayboy, no RfA for yous". There is (believe it or not) some constructive activity there. If you could elaborate on your oppose, it'd be much appreciated. I should note that I have not yet made my mind up on this candidate, and haven't looked over them at all, so please don't consider this badgering. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<span style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::Active participation is not the issue. The headlining of it at RFA, whilst honest, is a deep concern. 'Crats are welcome to disregard my opinion of course. As to general IRC stuff, frankly after this weeks ''dramaz'' the more we can keep on wiki the better. IRC heavy and tool dependent candidates are not, in my view, where we want to be. That was also the "red flag to the bull". On even more review the candidates Q1 reliance on automated tools is very concerning (his lack of actual article related CSD nominations being a major consideration in asking for an AWB delete interface). <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 22:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::Active participation is not the issue. The headlining of it at RFA, whilst honest, is a deep concern. 'Crats are welcome to disregard my opinion of course. As to general IRC stuff, frankly after this weeks ''dramaz'' the more we can keep on wiki the better. IRC heavy and tool dependent candidates are not, in my view, where we want to be. That was also the "red flag to the bull". On even more review the candidates Q1 reliance on automated tools is very concerning (his lack of actual article related CSD nominations being a major consideration in asking for an AWB delete interface). <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 22:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::You are of course entitled to that opinion. Thanks for elaborating :) Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<font style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 22:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::You are of course entitled to that opinion. Thanks for elaborating :) Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<span style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::::So if he had said his adoptee had suggested he run for RfA but not mentioned IRC you wouldn't have a problem? Come on P. The problem with IRC is lack of disclosure and transparency. Being up front about using IRC for a discussion and guidance by disclosing it is the least of our worries. I'm no fan of IRC because the discussion are not open to the community, aren't tranparent, and those engaging in them aren't held accountable for what they saw, but until there is a policy against them punishing someone for acknlowledging their presence there seems to me to be poor sportsmanship and punishing instead of rewarding the good deed of being open about. It's those who work out decisions, canvas, lobby, and exclude those affected by their discussions there that are the problem. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::::IRC is outside of Wikipedia and it is taken place at freenode. I don't see why it is a problem in relation to Wikipedia. If somebody at Wikipedia says that editors talking on the phone should be prohibited, then that would be ridiculous right? I think of IRC that way but let's not create a debate about it here. '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 02:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#::::::That IRC is outside of Wikipedia and not subject to transparency or accountability is very problematic, just as using e-mail or phone calls to coordinate activities would be problematic. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 18:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. Your recent [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=316333030&oldid=316330540 comment] at RFA talk disturbs me: "''I would like to ask RFA to moral support or don't vote at all."'' Suggesting that editors shouldn't provide an honest assessment just doesn't feel right. Sorry. [[User:Majoreditor|Majoreditor]] ([[User talk:Majoreditor|talk]]) 21:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. Your recent [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=316333030&oldid=316330540 comment] at RFA talk disturbs me: "''I would like to ask RFA to moral support or don't vote at all."'' Suggesting that editors shouldn't provide an honest assessment just doesn't feel right. Sorry. [[User:Majoreditor|Majoreditor]] ([[User talk:Majoreditor|talk]]) 21:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::Yes, I admit that I screwed. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">[[User:ZooFari|Zoo]]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">[[User talk:ZooFari|Fari]]</font>''' 21:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::Yes, I admit that I screwed. '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 21:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I am concerned that this editor sees adminship as a goal in and of itself. Wanting to be an administrator for the sake of it does not a good administrator make. [[User:Craftyminion|Crafty]] ([[User talk:Craftyminion|talk]]) 21:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I am concerned that this editor sees adminship as a goal in and of itself. Wanting to be an administrator for the sake of it does not a good administrator make. [[User:Craftyminion|Crafty]] ([[User talk:Craftyminion|talk]]) 21:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' Agree with above, it seems the "adminship" is just the next level up in his work. '''[[User:Kirachinmoku|<font color="#305021">Kira</font><font color="#ff0000">Chinmoku</font>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Kirachinmoku|<font color="#10CCff">T</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Kirachinmoku|<font color="#ff00ff">¤</font>]])</sub> 22:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' Agree with above, it seems the "adminship" is just the next level up in his work. '''[[User:Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#305021;">Kira</span><span style="color:#ff0000;">Chinmoku</span>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#10CCff;">T</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#ff00ff;">¤</span>]])</sub> 22:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::EDIT: Given the fact that this is now the users 3rd adminship attempt, whats new? '''[[User:Kirachinmoku|<font color="#305021">Kira</font><font color="#ff0000">Chinmoku</font>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Kirachinmoku|<font color="#10CCff">T</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Kirachinmoku|<font color="#ff00ff">¤</font>]])</sub> 22:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::EDIT: Given the fact that this is now the users 3rd adminship attempt, whats new? '''[[User:Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#305021;">Kira</span><span style="color:#ff0000;">Chinmoku</span>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#10CCff;">T</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Kirachinmoku|<span style="color:#ff00ff;">¤</span>]])</sub> 22:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#I immediately had a bad feeling when I saw this RfA for an initially unknown reason, until Majoreditor posted his oppose. That thead struck me as slightly clueless in regards to this users knowledge of this process, and I'm concerned that his involvement in RfA only began recently, far too close to opening this request. It almost feels to me like ZooFari is trying to jump through hoops to get the mop. To top it off, I don't see any creation work. Feel free to point some out, but I don't think it'll convince me to switch from this oppose. Best of luck, anyway. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<font style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 22:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#I immediately had a bad feeling when I saw this RfA for an initially unknown reason, until Majoreditor posted his oppose. That thead struck me as slightly clueless in regards to this users knowledge of this process, and I'm concerned that his involvement in RfA only began recently, far too close to opening this request. It almost feels to me like ZooFari is trying to jump through hoops to get the mop. To top it off, I don't see any creation work. Feel free to point some out, but I don't think it'll convince me to switch from this oppose. Best of luck, anyway. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<span style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:You said to feel free to point out creation work: [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=ZooFari&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects&getall=1 149 articles], according to X!'s tool. --'''[[User:Dylan620|<font color="blue">Dylan</font>]][[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="purple">620</font>]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|contribs]], [[Special:Log/Dylan620|logs]], [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dylan620 (3)|review]]) 22:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:You said to feel free to point out creation work: [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=ZooFari&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects&getall=1 149 articles], according to X!'s tool. --'''[[User:Dylan620|<span style="color:blue;">Dylan</span>]][[User talk:Dylan620|<span style="color:purple;">620</span>]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|contribs]], [[Special:Log/Dylan620|logs]], [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dylan620 (3)|review]]) 22:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' With 56% of this candidates edits being automated, I have concerns that this candidate is too dependant on AWB, and I see little interaction with others (approximately 5% of his edits), plus I see very little CSD work, or deletion work in general. [[User:ArcAngel|ArcAngel]] ([[User talk:ArcAngel|talk]]) 22:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' With 56% of this candidates edits being automated, I have concerns that this candidate is too dependant on AWB, and I see little interaction with others (approximately 5% of his edits), plus I see very little CSD work, or deletion work in general. [[User:ArcAngel|ArcAngel]] ([[User talk:ArcAngel|talk]]) 22:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Well the thing is that the proportion of automated:non-automated to my overall edit count is not the same as one who has an edit count with 10,000 edits. If an average user has 10,000 edits and you apply the proportions, the user would have around 5,000 non-automated edits which is reasonable at RFA. If you apply the concept with a 20,000 user, then the non-automated count would be about 10,000. That's generally not fair as you can see. I wonder if RFA ever thought about this... '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 02:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - Comments like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=316333030&oldid=316330540 this] demonstrate a problem, and it generally feels like the editor at hand sees adminship as a goal. Sorry. <b>—&nbsp;[[User talk:Neurolysis|<font color="#5A3696" face="Trebuchet MS">neuro</font>]]</b> 00:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - Comments like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=316333030&oldid=316330540 this] demonstrate a problem, and it generally feels like the editor at hand sees adminship as a goal. Sorry. <b>—&nbsp;[[User talk:Neurolysis|<span style="color:#5A3696;font-family:Trebuchet MS;">neuro</span>]]</b> 00:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#:Very unhappy with BF's "coaching" diffs, too. <b>—&nbsp;[[User talk:Neurolysis|<span style="color:#5A3696;font-family:Trebuchet MS;">neuro</span>]]</b> 17:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I am totally and utterly with Pedro on this. [[User:Wisdom89|'''<span style="color:#660000;">Wisdom89</span>''']] <sub>([[User_talk:Wisdom89|<small><sub><span style="color:#17001E;">T</span></sub></small>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Wisdom89|<small><sup><span style="color:#17001E;">C</span></sup></small>]])</sub> 02:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''', agree with concerns raised above by {{user|Neurolysis}}, {{user|Pedro}}, and {{user|Craftyminion}}. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 03:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''', your userpage seems myspace-y, you have mainly automated edits and I haven't seen anything to tell me that you don't hold the "'us vs them (vandals)' is 'good vs bad'" mentality that often happens to some vandal fighters. I don't know what [[User:ZooFari/Inspection/Srinivas|this]] is intended to do but your somewhat suspect coaching makes me more skeptical of whether you have that level of clue. Sorry. '''\''' [[User:Backslash Forwardslash|Backslash Forwardslash]] '''/''' ([[User Talk: Backslash Forwardslash|talk]]) 06:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Strong oppose'''. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=316333030&oldid=316330540 This] shows you're coming from the [[WP:ESP|wrong end]] of the ballpark. People's feelings are important, but they should not trump practical concerns. I don't find it especially productive to gingerly hop through a figurative minefield just so someone won't have an emotional boo-hoo, and especially dislike those who are all too ready and willing to use their emotions as a bludgeon. Candidate definitely needs a good amount of time to substantially evaluate his guiding philosophy - whatever that guiding philosophy may be - and determine whether or not there may be a more appropriate, perhaps more nuanced, position to adopt. [[User:Badger Drink|Badger Drink]] ([[User talk:Badger Drink|talk]]) 06:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#: Peoples feelings are practical concerns, aside from resource competition human conflict is caused by little else. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#:: To a certain extent, yes. But, as the saying goes, it takes two to tango, and it reeks of ego-centrism to demand that Joesph Bookworm drag his opinions through the wringer of Hyper Tolerance, hemming and hawwing until Joey Newbie's ego is placated enough that he won't treat us all to a public, nausea-inducing guilt trip over just how ruffled his sensitive little bits became. If Joey Newbie doesn't think, believe, or feel (choose your favorite) that he can withstand direct, blunt, and perhaps unpolished opposition, then it is Joey's responsibility to either (as the time-honored, oft-overused, but appropriate here, saying goes) ''harden the fuck up'', or not interject himself into a venue where he is likely to be the center of criticism, such as RfA. Likely, if Joey Newbie is likely to feel upset over somebody disagreeing with his opinion - perhaps even harshly disagreeing - then it is his responsibility to become a big boy before bringing his opinions to the Grown Ups' Table. [[User:Badger Drink|Badger Drink]] ([[User talk:Badger Drink|talk]]) 18:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Very Strong Oppose'''. per all the above. I'm interrupting my Wikibreak to oppose. The diffs and points brought up by Neuro, /\, Pedro, and Crafty are all very concerning. Apart from having a high proportion of automated edits to manual edits and a low interaction level with other users, I found this highly disturbing [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASrinivas&diff=316250433&oldid=315304697 diff] and [[User talk:Srinivas/Archives/2009#Ready for inspection?|banter]] between Zoofari and [[User:Srinivas]]. In these conversations, Zoofari openly admits to [[WP:SOCK|socking]] while acting like a "faux" admin coach. Clearly, Zoofari is completley, if not totally oblivious to many of our core policies. I don't mean to be "bitey" in any way whatsoever but I strongly feel that promoting this user to sysop would be highly detrimental to the project. -<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Fastily|<big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small>]]'''</span> <sup><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS"><small>[[User talk:Fastily|(T<small>ALK</small>)]]</small></span></sup> 07:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#:I don't think there is any actual socking going on. I believe ZooFari is referring to [[User:ZooFari/Inspection/Srinivas#Part 2]], in which {{gender|ZooFari}} acts as a vandal to create a "training scenario" for his coachee. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</span> ([[User talk:Decltype|talk]]) 07:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''oppose''' the "coaching" diffs provided by backslash forwardslash and Fastily show that the candidate is not ready. (indeed, that's something that probably needs some admin action.) [[User:NotAnIP83:149:66:11|NotAnIP83:149:66:11]] ([[User talk:NotAnIP83:149:66:11|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#Mainly per Pedro. Your initial comment suggests this rfa was done "per IRC", when it really needs thought first. I also think you have unclear interpretations of policy. I'm afraid I have an uneasy feeling about handing you a mop, sorry. As someone who recently went through rfa, I know how stressful this can be. Don't be discouraged. You do good work, some more time is just needed. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 08:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''': Your writing style is unclear enough that I find some of your comments ambiguous or hard to understand. I believe that admins should be clear, precise communicators: perhaps you could work on this area and then try for adminship again. [[User:Gonzonoir|Gonzonoir]] ([[User talk:Gonzonoir|talk]]) 14:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per most of the above, sorry. I suggest waiting at least 6 months, maybe a year from this RFA to try again, and demonstrate improvement in all of the areas brough up above. Also, approach the next RFA (if there is one) from the position that being an administrator would enable you to improve Wikipedia more effectively, not that being an admin is a goal in and of itself. [[Special:Contributions/Theseeker4|<span style="color:forestgreen;">'''The'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Theseeker4|<span style="color:#0000C0;">'''Seeker&nbsp;4'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Theseeker4|<span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;">''Talk''</span>]] 15:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#Per Majoreditor. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 16:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' &ndash; Too many valid concerns raised by other editors. [[User:Alan16|Alan16]] ([[User talk:Alan16|talk]]) 17:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#I feel strongly enough about this one that I'm logging in to oppose. "I was on the IRC channel the other day and my adoptee encouraged me to run an RFA" would do it anyway, but given that it's only a few days since your "everyone should support everything so we don't hurt peoples' feelings" posturing, I have not the slightest confidence in your judgement.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|<span style="color:#E45E05;">iride</span>]][[User talk:Iridescent|<span style="color:#C1118C;">scent</span>]] 19:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


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#'''Neutral''' - Hard to get a feel for your knowledge of deletion policy, as there are very few AfD !votes in your contributions.--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> <sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Unionhawk (2)|Review]]</sup> 21:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' - Hard to get a feel for your knowledge of deletion policy, as there are very few AfD !votes in your contributions.--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> <sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Unionhawk (2)|Review]]</sup> 21:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::I've been active in Mfd if it makes you comfortable. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">[[User:ZooFari|Zoo]]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">[[User talk:ZooFari|Fari]]</font>''' 21:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#::I've been active in Mfd if it makes you comfortable. '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 21:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::Scratch that, it has nothing to do with articles :-/ '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">[[User:ZooFari|Zoo]]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">[[User talk:ZooFari|Fari]]</font>''' 21:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::Scratch that, it has nothing to do with articles :-/ '''[[User:ZooFari|<span style="color:navy; font-family:comic sans ms;">Zoo</span>]][[User talk:ZooFari|<span style="color:#2d2db4; font-family:comic sans ms;">Fari</span>]]''' 21:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::{{ec}} Honestly, AfD is a bit more important then MfD. I saw that, but, I'm just not sure. I'll come back later, since I'm not very good at coming up with questions...--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> <sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Unionhawk (2)|Review]]</sup> 21:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:::{{ec}} Honestly, AfD is a bit more important then MfD. I saw that, but, I'm just not sure. I'll come back later, since I'm not very good at coming up with questions...--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> <sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Unionhawk (2)|Review]]</sup> 21:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:<s>I am currently undecided on this candidate. My instinct is to oppose, but I have no reason yet. It may merely be my memory of the event Majoreditor notes above. I'll switch soon.</s> Switching to oppose. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<font style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 22:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#:<s>I am currently undecided on this candidate. My instinct is to oppose, but I have no reason yet. It may merely be my memory of the event Majoreditor notes above. I'll switch soon.</s> Switching to oppose. Regards, --—<small><span style="border:2px solid #340383;color:#5a3596;padding:1px">[[User:Cyclonenim|<b>Cyclonenim</b>]] |[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|<span style="color:#5a3596">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
# I am interested in neither supporting nor opposing. [[User talk:harej|@]]'''[[User:harej|harej]]''' 22:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
# I am interested in neither supporting nor opposing. [[User talk:harej|@]]'''[[User:harej|harej]]''' 22:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' per my own communication concerns. [[User:Tanthalas39|<span style="color:#CC7722;font-family:Papyrus;">'''Tan'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Tanthalas39|<span style="color:#21421E;font-family:Papyrus;">39</span>]] 02:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#If [[User:Malinaccier]] hadn't asked Q4, I would probably have done it myself, and I am a bit surprised by your answer. More often than not, I find that your sentences are awkwardly structured, making it difficult to understand what you're trying to say. As an administrator, you will often have to communicate with users who speak English as a second language, such as myself. To avoid misunderstandings, it is very important that you express yourself with clarity. Regardless of the outcome of this RfA, I think this is something you should try to work on. If you're interested, I'll gladly highlight a few examples of what I mean and provide a few suggestions on how you could improve. Regards, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</span> ([[User talk:Decltype|talk]]) 07:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC) <small>And yes, I am very aware of my own shortcomings in this regard.</small>
#The opposers raise valid concerns, to the point where I don't feel comfortable supporting; however, I'm not entirely convinced that you'd be a net-negative if promoted. Thus, I remain neutral for now. Pedro's oppose, while blunt, does have merit; I've got nothing against IRC (in fact I use it regularly), but it should ''never'' dictate on-wiki actions. We all screw up occasionally, but I think you need a bit more experience in terms of becoming more familiar with WP's policies/guidelines/norms. –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 14:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''', the points raised by the oppose camp are valid, however I am unable to oppose currently. Neutral for now. --[[User:Taelus|Taelus]] ([[User talk:Taelus|talk]]) 17:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' <small>(moved from support)</small>, the points raised in the oppose section are concerning, and I am leaning toward that direction. You're also somewhat light on experience in other areas, i.e., CSD (there weren't very many speedy tags when I looked through your deleted contribs, and they were generally "simpler" cases like R3). I also see a lack of [[WP:CLUE]]/knowledge about how things work. To me, most of the oppose reasons are valid, with the exception of "IRC". Many candidates, who decide to run for RfA partially after conversing with other Wikipedians on IRC, could easily have mentioned that in their answers/nom statement. It's only the savvy ones (who know enough wiki-politics) who known to refrain from mentioning "IRC". Sorry, but this looks like chastising the ones who are less aware of "unspoken" things. Off-wiki communication shouldn't truly influence actions/decisions on-wiki, sure. Although there's nothing wrong with communicating with others (via chat), giving suggestions, helping each other, and chatting about Wikipedia. There are some interesting conversations, but mostly nothing of substance, so the lack of transparency ''usually'' is not a big deal. ZooFari's off-wiki conversation with another, influencing his decision to re-run for RFA, is nothing to be alarmed over - it happens all the time, like I said. This seems like a very weak basis to oppose over - persuade me if I'm missing something. :) [[User:JamieS93|<span style="color:#4682b4">'''Jamie'''</span>]]'''[[User talk:JamieS93|<span style="color:#50C878">S93</span>]]''' 19:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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