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:''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[wikipedia:requests for adminship|request for adminship]] that '''did not succeed'''. <strong style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</strong>[[Category:Unsuccessful requests for adminship|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] |
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<span class="plainlinks">'''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dusti|action=edit§ion=5}} <font color="#002BB8">Voice your opinion on this candidate</font>]'''</span> ([[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Dusti|talk page]]) |
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'''Final: (7/26/3) Withdrawn by candidate [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dusti&curid=18414067&diff=352979009&oldid=352857445]. Closed by [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) at 16:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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====Nomination==== |
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I will not try to say that I am an expert in all Sysop area's, because I am not. For those areas that I am unsure of, I will leave alone unless I have the assistance or advice of a more tenured sysop. I will, of course, try to gain more experience in those areas for which I am not as knowledgeable as others, but no one is perfect. I will also patch up the area's that I'm kinda rusty or rough around the edges in. All this will happen regardless of the outcome of this Rfa. |
I will not try to say that I am an expert in all Sysop area's, because I am not. For those areas that I am unsure of, I will leave alone unless I have the assistance or advice of a more tenured sysop. I will, of course, try to gain more experience in those areas for which I am not as knowledgeable as others, but no one is perfect. I will also patch up the area's that I'm kinda rusty or rough around the edges in. All this will happen regardless of the outcome of this Rfa. |
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Former requests for adminship can be found at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/dustihowe]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ |
Former requests for adminship can be found at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/dustihowe]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Dustihowe_2]]. Please note that the first Rfa was done due to a lack of understanding on what Wikipedia really is. I was overzealous, and too quick. The second one I was eager, and unwilling to wait. |
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I feel that with over 7,000 edits and over 700 deleted edits, I am seasoned enough to be able to handle the bits and work in the areas that I am comfortable in (dealing with vandalism, etc.) and ease my way into the other areas that I am not fully engulfed in yet. |
I feel that with over 7,000 edits and over 700 deleted edits, I am seasoned enough to be able to handle the bits and work in the areas that I am comfortable in (dealing with vandalism, etc.) and ease my way into the other areas that I am not fully engulfed in yet. |
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<span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 22:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' Self nomination. < |
:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' Self nomination. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 22:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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====Questions for the candidate==== |
====Questions for the candidate==== |
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:: '''c.''' The ''Article Improvement'' department, where your job was to find ways to help new and old editors improve WP articles and bring them in-line with WP policies and guidelines and prevent their deletion. |
:: '''c.''' The ''Article Improvement'' department, where your job was to find ways to help new and old editors improve WP articles and bring them in-line with WP policies and guidelines and prevent their deletion. |
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::'''d.''' The ''Dispute Resolution'' department, where your job was to help resolve disputes between editors on WP. |
::'''d.''' The ''Dispute Resolution'' department, where your job was to help resolve disputes between editors on WP. |
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:::'''A:''' I would choose option B, as that is what I currently do. As you can see below, there are some things I need to clean up in relation to AFD's, and I would want to be somewhere the community most felt comfortable with me in relations to my "position". I feel that the most important part of Wikipedia is it's appearance, and cleaning up after vandalism is extremely important. < |
:::'''A:''' I would choose option B, as that is what I currently do. As you can see below, there are some things I need to clean up in relation to AFD's, and I would want to be somewhere the community most felt comfortable with me in relations to my "position". I feel that the most important part of Wikipedia is it's appearance, and cleaning up after vandalism is extremely important. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 23:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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;Additional optional question from [[User:Tuxedo junction]] |
;Additional optional question from [[User:Tuxedo junction]] |
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#In regards to judgement skills, please realize that whether a sysop or editor, we are all human. I feel that I have been more of a constructive editor and have made a difference with Wikipedia. With the sysop tools, my efforts with Anti-Vandalism and at [[WP:ACC]]/[[WP:AIV]]/[[WP:ANI]]/and [[WP:AFC]] can be more of an impact and helpful. |
#In regards to judgement skills, please realize that whether a sysop or editor, we are all human. I feel that I have been more of a constructive editor and have made a difference with Wikipedia. With the sysop tools, my efforts with Anti-Vandalism and at [[WP:ACC]]/[[WP:AIV]]/[[WP:ANI]]/and [[WP:AFC]] can be more of an impact and helpful. |
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*Could you please opt-in to [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pc/Dusti Soxred's edit counter graphs]? Please note that this is a request and nothing more. |
*Could you please opt-in to [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pc/Dusti Soxred's edit counter graphs]? Please note that this is a request and nothing more. [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 22:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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:Created. < |
:Created. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 22:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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*Just curious, why do you have so many talk page edits compared to other namespaces, almost half your edits?--[[User:Jac16888|< |
*Just curious, why do you have so many talk page edits compared to other namespaces, almost half your edits?--[[User:Jac16888|<span style="color:Blue;">Jac</span><span style="color:Green;">16888</span>]][[User talk:Jac16888|<sup><span style="color:red;">Talk</span></sup>]] 22:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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:*Most of the work that I have been involved in involves antivandalism which explains a large amount of user talk, working with Article creation (which also involves talk page edits), and with AIV/AN/I, etc. < |
:*Most of the work that I have been involved in involves antivandalism which explains a large amount of user talk, working with Article creation (which also involves talk page edits), and with AIV/AN/I, etc. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 22:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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::*{{ec}}Yes, most people who use Huggle a lot of the time have their contributions split between article and user talk pages... Take a gander at mine for a good example,[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/The_Thing_That_Should_Not_Be] and some other examples like [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/J.delanoy J.delanoy] and [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/Tide_rolls Tide rolls]. < |
::*{{ec}}Yes, most people who use Huggle a lot of the time have their contributions split between article and user talk pages... Take a gander at mine for a good example,[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/The_Thing_That_Should_Not_Be] and some other examples like [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/J.delanoy J.delanoy] and [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/Tide_rolls Tide rolls]. <span style="font-family:Segoe Print;">[[User:TTTSNB|<span style="color:#0040B0;">The Thing</span>]] <small>//</small> [[User talk:TTTSNB|<span style="color:#007080;">Talk</span>]] <small>//</small> [[Special:Contributions/The Thing That Should Not Be|<span style="color:#00A050;">Contribs</span>]]</span></span> 23:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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:::*If it was from vandalism there would surely be a corresponding number of edits to mainspace? I'm not having a go by the way, just curious, don't remember seeing such a high proportion of user talk edits before--[[User:Jac16888|< |
:::*If it was from vandalism there would surely be a corresponding number of edits to mainspace? I'm not having a go by the way, just curious, don't remember seeing such a high proportion of user talk edits before--[[User:Jac16888|<span style="color:Blue;">Jac</span><span style="color:Green;">16888</span>]][[User talk:Jac16888|<sup><span style="color:red;">Talk</span></sup>]] 23:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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As an editor who appears to still be in the middle of coaching, this RFA is certainly premature. Additionally, the recent issues the candidate has had should have been a sign to wait. RFA isn't going to go anywhere. Patience is a wonderful skill. I think the candidate should concentrate on other things not related to becoming an admin. <span style="font-family:Century Schoolbook">[[User:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">Aiken</span>]] [[User talk:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">♫</span>]]</span> 02:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
As an editor who appears to still be in the middle of coaching, this RFA is certainly premature. Additionally, the recent issues the candidate has had should have been a sign to wait. RFA isn't going to go anywhere. Patience is a wonderful skill. I think the candidate should concentrate on other things not related to becoming an admin. <span style="font-family:Century Schoolbook">[[User:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">Aiken</span>]] [[User talk:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">♫</span>]]</span> 02:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Experienced in anti-vandalism and CSD work, will make a fine admin. < |
#'''Support''' Experienced in anti-vandalism and CSD work, will make a fine admin. <span style="font-family:Segoe Print;">[[User:TTTSNB|<span style="color:#0040B0;">The Thing</span>]] <small>//</small> [[User talk:TTTSNB|<span style="color:#007080;">Talk</span>]] <small>//</small> [[Special:Contributions/The Thing That Should Not Be|<span style="color:#00A050;">Contribs</span>]]</span> 22:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Support'''. I agree with The Thing. This user would certainly be trusted with the mop. '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 22:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Changed to oppose. '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 13:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC) </small> |
#:<s>'''Support'''. I agree with The Thing. This user would certainly be trusted with the mop. '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 22:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Changed to oppose. '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 13:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC) </small> |
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#'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">R</span><span style="color:#FF4400;">a</span><span style="color:#FF8800;">i</span><span style="color:#FFBB00;">n</span><span style="color:#FFFF00;">b</span><span style="color:#BBFF00;">o</span><span style="color:#88FF00;">w</span> <span style="color:#44FF00;">S</span><span style="color:#00FF00;">u</span><span style="color:#00FF44;">p</span><span style="color:#00FF88;">p</span><span style="color:#00FFBB;">o</span><span style="color:#00FFFF;">r</span><span style="color:#00BBFF;">t</span>''' Good guy, lots of work on CSD and anti-vandalism! Hope this passes! --<strong>[[User:Fail|<span style="color:blue;">FA</span><span style="color:#000080;">IL</span><span style="color:#808000;">!</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Fail|Talk]]</sup></strong> 23:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Again, Fail? What's with all the rainbow supports? '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 23:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#:Again, Fail? What's with all the rainbow supports? '''[[User:NSD|<span style="color:green"><big>N</big>ERDY</span><span style="color:#0F0"><big>S</big>CIENCE</span><span style="color:#8bd877"><big>D</big>UDE</span>]]''' ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 23:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Well as you can clearly see, they're '''< |
#::Well as you can clearly see, they're '''<span style="color:#FF0000;">R</span><span style="color:#FF4400;">a</span><span style="color:#FF8800;">i</span><span style="color:#FFBB00;">n</span><span style="color:#FFFF00;">b</span><span style="color:#BBFF00;">o</span><span style="color:#88FF00;">w</span><span style="color:#44FF00;">f</span><span style="color:#00FF00;">u</span><span style="color:#00FF44;">l</span> <span style="color:#00FF88;">:</span><span style="color:#00FFBB;">D</span>'''-<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style="color:#4B0082;"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY<sub>sock</sub></small></span>]]'''<sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</span>]]</small></sup></span> 00:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong support''' Great helper around here. Wonderful at CVN, as The Thing said earlier. Would be a great admin! [[User:Pilif12p|Pilif]][[User talk:Pilif12p|12p]] ([[Special:Contributions/Pilif12p|contribs]]) 00:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong support''' Great helper around here. Wonderful at CVN, as The Thing said earlier. Would be a great admin! [[User:Pilif12p|Pilif]][[User talk:Pilif12p|12p]] ([[Special:Contributions/Pilif12p|contribs]]) 00:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', I know I'm going against the run of things here, but I'm not particularly concerned by the things brought up in the Oppose section. Korath's diffs are over a year old, and it strikes me as pretty harsh holding something that old against the user. The business with Tuxedo junction was regrettable, but given the user's combative nature and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dusti&diff=351244432&oldid=351243739 this comment], I'm happy to overlook it as an innocent misunderstanding. No evidence that this user would abuse the tools. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 00:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC). |
#'''Support''', I know I'm going against the run of things here, but I'm not particularly concerned by the things brought up in the Oppose section. Korath's diffs are over a year old, and it strikes me as pretty harsh holding something that old against the user. The business with Tuxedo junction was regrettable, but given the user's combative nature and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dusti&diff=351244432&oldid=351243739 this comment], I'm happy to overlook it as an innocent misunderstanding. No evidence that this user would abuse the tools. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 00:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC). |
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#:While some of the closes were from last year, about half were from January 2010. While I agree that it's usually unfair to bring up year-old edits, I don't think it's unreasonable in this case: not only do they show a continuing pattern when combined with the more recent ones, but Dusti didn't edit at all from February 2009 to January 2010. —[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#:While some of the closes were from last year, about half were from January 2010. While I agree that it's usually unfair to bring up year-old edits, I don't think it's unreasonable in this case: not only do they show a continuing pattern when combined with the more recent ones, but Dusti didn't edit at all from February 2009 to January 2010. —[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#::I explained that reason above. < |
#::I explained that reason above. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 01:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' friendly, helpful and good track record doing admin like work without a mop. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 11:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' friendly, helpful and good track record doing admin like work without a mop. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 11:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''moral support''' at this time as you are generally a good contributor but the timing of your RfA could have been better, once issues were resolved and not so heated. I had suggested a bit more time in returning from your break to ease into things when you asked on IRC but you seem to have jumped right in. A little more patience would be good. <span style="font-family:Georgia;">[[User:Deliriousandlost|<span style="color:#ff69b4;">'''delirious'''</span>]] & [[Special:Contributions/Deliriousandlost|<span style="color:#ff69b4;">'''lost'''</span>]] ☯ [[User talk:Deliriousandlost|<sup>~hugs~</sup>]]</span> 16:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''moral support''' - I think that Dusti is a pretty decent up-and-coming vandal whacker, but I see a very serious lack of judgment. I mark this up to inexperience rather than carelessness, I suggest that this user gives it four or five months and tries again. [[User:Trusilver|<span style="font-family:papyrus; color:#ADA96E;">Trusilver</span>]] 16:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#Some of his closures at AFD are frightful, amounting to supervotes: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kevin_Sullivan_%28producer%29&oldid=271521165 a close after fourteen hours with rationale "Several hits when doing a Google search"], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Taylor|"You CANNOT make an AFD based on personal opinions"]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Badger|a speedy keep]] because the article "hasnt [sic] been [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Alternatives_to_deletion|tagged for clean up or expansion]]", [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional spacecraft|another speedy keep]] because "This [[[WP:BEFORE]]] hasn't been followed... and sources have been shared". [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Skeptic%27s_Annotated_Bible_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=339750512&oldid=339729800 His close of] [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (2nd nomination)]] was especially poor, even more so in light of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Skeptic%27s_Annotated_Bible_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=339898798&oldid=339897559 his later comment on that afd]. —[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 23:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#Some of his closures at AFD are frightful, amounting to supervotes: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kevin_Sullivan_%28producer%29&oldid=271521165 a close after fourteen hours with rationale "Several hits when doing a Google search"], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Taylor|"You CANNOT make an AFD based on personal opinions"]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Badger|a speedy keep]] because the article "hasnt [sic] been [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Alternatives_to_deletion|tagged for clean up or expansion]]", [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional spacecraft|another speedy keep]] because "This [[[WP:BEFORE]]] hasn't been followed... and sources have been shared". [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Skeptic%27s_Annotated_Bible_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=339750512&oldid=339729800 His close of] [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (2nd nomination)]] was especially poor, even more so in light of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Skeptic%27s_Annotated_Bible_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=339898798&oldid=339897559 his later comment on that afd]. —[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 23:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:This is one area that I am staying away from. My original thoughts with AFD were that they had to follow [[WP:DELETE|Deletion policy]] and thus I closed them as thoughtful. I have gone through some training with [[User:Keeper76|Keeper76]], and am going through some addition training currently, but you can trust that I will not delete any pages or go near [[WP:AFD|AFD]] until I am certain it's the right move. < |
#:This is one area that I am staying away from. My original thoughts with AFD were that they had to follow [[WP:DELETE|Deletion policy]] and thus I closed them as thoughtful. I have gone through some training with [[User:Keeper76|Keeper76]], and am going through some addition training currently, but you can trust that I will not delete any pages or go near [[WP:AFD|AFD]] until I am certain it's the right move. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#Per Korath. Those closes were way out of line. With all due respect, that makes me afraid of what you would do with the mop. A promise to stay away from AfD doesn't compensate for it, in my view. It shows a clear disregard for the place of community discussion and consensus. I have no doubt that you regret the closes, but you really need to show consensus-building activity in the project space to make up for it. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#Per Korath. Those closes were way out of line. With all due respect, that makes me afraid of what you would do with the mop. A promise to stay away from AfD doesn't compensate for it, in my view. It shows a clear disregard for the place of community discussion and consensus. I have no doubt that you regret the closes, but you really need to show consensus-building activity in the project space to make up for it. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:I have over 700 deleted edits. If you are able to, please view them to see other AFD closures to show that I do have the ability to show regard for community discussion and consensus. |
#:I have over 700 deleted edits. If you are able to, please view them to see other AFD closures to show that I do have the ability to show regard for community discussion and consensus. |
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#'''Oppose''' He gave me a final warning because of a single editing mistake that I immediately reverted.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tuxedo_junction&diff=351237365&oldid=351233915] I don't think he has the necessary judgement or tact at this point in his career on Wikipedia. He has very few article edits, so I don't think he understands was article editors encounter. [[User:Tuxedo junction|Tuxedo junction]] ([[User talk:Tuxedo junction|talk]]) 23:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' He gave me a final warning because of a single editing mistake that I immediately reverted.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tuxedo_junction&diff=351237365&oldid=351233915] I don't think he has the necessary judgement or tact at this point in his career on Wikipedia. He has very few article edits, so I don't think he understands was article editors encounter. [[User:Tuxedo junction|Tuxedo junction]] ([[User talk:Tuxedo junction|talk]]) 23:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:[[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive604#Advice_requested_on_User_talk:Dusti|Please see]] the ANI discussion that took place here. The editor had been issued prior warnings that day for test edits. |
#:[[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive604#Advice_requested_on_User_talk:Dusti|Please see]] the ANI discussion that took place here. The editor had been issued prior warnings that day for test edits. |
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#::'''Comment from neutral observer.''' The presentation of this oppose makes the final warning seem to have come out of the blue. In fact, Tuxedo had already been cautioned for well intentioned edits that were nevertheless problematical. In the ensuing AN/I discussion linked above, Tuxedo was again cautioned on these edits. While I personally would have attempted to engage in discussion or taken the matter to AN/I, the final warning was not entirely unjustified. <big>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]]</big> 15:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #'''Oppose''' because I'm not confident in your judgement abilities, as pointed out by the AfD links above, and the final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism. '''[[User:Soap|< |
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#:::'''Response'''. I had received '''one''' previous warning for an edit I also had immediately self-reverted. I don't think it is helpful to editors to receive a "final warning" template after a second self-revert. Dusti obviously did not look at my contributions to see that I had no history of vandalism, or even of mistakes. An admin has to use "judgement" and decide whether it is worth templating a well meaning editor. In this case, I obviously knew I had erred as I immediately rectified it. What is the point of the template in my case? [[User:Tuxedo junction|Tuxedo junction]] ([[User talk:Tuxedo junction|talk]]) 16:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #:Soap, please see the link above. < |
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#::See my neutral. While I feel you weren't at your best that day, a better approach on Dusti's part might have netted a better result. Cheers, <big>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]]</big> 16:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #::You seem to be trying to dodge the central objection. You gave a user a final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism. The fact that he may have vandalized earlier in the day doesn't mean you can judge his subsequent edits to be vandalism even if they aren't. This is how bad blocks often get placed and making bad blocks is the worst possible thing a Wikipedia administrator can do. '''[[User:Soap|< |
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#::PS. I count two warnings and some discussion. The next one, had a template been warranted, would have been "please stop". As I assume constructive edits between the warnings and heated discussion, I agree- a templated warning was not the best choice. Admins, as trusted users, are here to help. The button related admin role is secondary to that. Cheers. <big>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]]</big> 16:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #:::I'm not trying to dodge anything, with all due respect. What I am stating is that with prior warnings given that day, the edit that was made (I had not seen a reversion at the time of issuing a warning), appeared to be a test edit, which is what prior warnings were issued for. That is why a final warning was issued. < |
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⚫ | #'''Oppose''' because I'm not confident in your judgement abilities, as pointed out by the AfD links above, and the final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism. '''[[User:Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]][[User talk:Soap|<span style="color:#057602;">''Soap''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]]''' 23:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #::::I actually agree with Tuxedo about this incident, and if he had been blocked for that, I would defend him, assuming that his claims that he's only done it twice, both times he quickly reverted himself, and that he doesnt know what the source of the problem is are true. After all, I regularly see Huggle users accidentally restore vandalism because they clicked revert just an instant too late and mistakenly reverted the wrong editor, and if I understand correctly there's nothing they can do to prevent occasional mistakes like that, other than being sure to fix them immediately afterwards. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding this incident though I think you were too quick to jump on him with that warning. Just because something appears to be vandalism doesnt mean it is. Also, please don't interpret this as a "fallback" argument, but I had my oppose typed out before Tuxedo's was saved and only added the bit about the final warning because I got an edit conflict and went to read his rationale, and as I said, I agree with it. '''[[User:Soap|< |
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⚫ | #:Soap, please see the link above. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 23:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #::You seem to be trying to dodge the central objection. You gave a user a final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism. The fact that he may have vandalized earlier in the day doesn't mean you can judge his subsequent edits to be vandalism even if they aren't. This is how bad blocks often get placed and making bad blocks is the worst possible thing a Wikipedia administrator can do. '''[[User:Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]][[User talk:Soap|<span style="color:#057602;">''Soap''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]]''' 23:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #:::I'm not trying to dodge anything, with all due respect. What I am stating is that with prior warnings given that day, the edit that was made (I had not seen a reversion at the time of issuing a warning), appeared to be a test edit, which is what prior warnings were issued for. That is why a final warning was issued. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 23:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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⚫ | #::::I actually agree with Tuxedo about this incident, and if he had been blocked for that, I would defend him, assuming that his claims that he's only done it twice, both times he quickly reverted himself, and that he doesnt know what the source of the problem is are true. After all, I regularly see Huggle users accidentally restore vandalism because they clicked revert just an instant too late and mistakenly reverted the wrong editor, and if I understand correctly there's nothing they can do to prevent occasional mistakes like that, other than being sure to fix them immediately afterwards. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding this incident though I think you were too quick to jump on him with that warning. Just because something appears to be vandalism doesnt mean it is. Also, please don't interpret this as a "fallback" argument, but I had my oppose typed out before Tuxedo's was saved and only added the bit about the final warning because I got an edit conflict and went to read his rationale, and as I said, I agree with it. '''[[User:Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]][[User talk:Soap|<span style="color:#057602;">''Soap''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<span style="color:green;">—</span>]]''' 01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Recent talk page discussions show a lack of knowledge of wiki rules. <span style="font-family:Century Schoolbook">[[User:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">Aiken</span>]] [[User talk:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">♫</span>]]</span> 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Recent talk page discussions show a lack of knowledge of wiki rules. <span style="font-family:Century Schoolbook">[[User:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">Aiken</span>]] [[User talk:Aiken drum|<span style="color: black;">♫</span>]]</span> 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Giving a user a final warning for a mistake, and arbitrarily closing discussions, does shows some issues with judgement at this stage. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:#4169E1;">'''The 888th Avatar'''</span>]] [[User talk:The 888th Avatar|<span style="font-size:12px; color:#888888;">(talk)</span>]] 23:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Giving a user a final warning for a mistake, and arbitrarily closing discussions, does shows some issues with judgement at this stage. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:#4169E1;">'''The 888th Avatar'''</span>]] [[User talk:The 888th Avatar|<span style="font-size:12px; color:#888888;">(talk)</span>]] 23:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:There was an apology issued and if you see the ANI discussion, several sysops agreed with the warning. < |
#:There was an apology issued and if you see the ANI discussion, several sysops agreed with the warning. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Appalling judgement. [[User:Wisdom89|'''< |
#'''Oppose''' Appalling judgement. [[User:Wisdom89|'''<span style="color:#660000;">Wisdom89</span>''']] <sub>([[User_talk:Wisdom89|<small><sub><span style="color:#17001E;">T</span></sub></small>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Wisdom89|<small><sup><span style="color:#17001E;">C</span></sup></small>]])</sub> 00:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:If this is in regards to the final warning, please see the ANI notice link above and the apology issued to the user. Individuals make mistakes. If it's not, could you please outline the concerns? < |
#:If this is in regards to the final warning, please see the ANI notice link above and the apology issued to the user. Individuals make mistakes. If it's not, could you please outline the concerns? <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. Serious concerns with judgement, maturity, experience, policy knowledge, and breadth of exposure. Also, the incident with Tuxedo junction could have been much better handled. -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style= |
#'''Oppose'''. Serious concerns with judgement, maturity, experience, policy knowledge, and breadth of exposure. Also, the incident with Tuxedo junction could have been much better handled. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style="color:#4B0082;"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY<sub>sock</sub></small></span>]]'''<sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</span>]]</small></sup></span> 00:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Can you please outline these so I can fix the concerns? < |
#:Can you please outline these so I can fix the concerns? <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' - I looked into the "Tuxedo junction" incident and don't see much of concern. In fact, TJ was pretty uncivil with Dusti (and others) and Dusti did a pretty good job of keeping cool. My reason for opposing is that I don't see that Dusti has a very good grasp of CSD; I deal with [[WP:PROD|proposed deletions]] and delete a lot of them, and I've seen a few that were originally nominated for speedy deletion where they don't even come close to meeting the CSD requirements. For example, see [[UsageTracker|this article]] (history only available to admins) where a one-line article with absolutely nothing promotional was nominated for [[WP:CSD#G11|G11]] deletion. Giving someone with such a shaky grasp of deletion policy the tools when they are planning on doing speedy deletions would be a big mistake. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 00:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' - I looked into the "Tuxedo junction" incident and don't see much of concern. In fact, TJ was pretty uncivil with Dusti (and others) and Dusti did a pretty good job of keeping cool. My reason for opposing is that I don't see that Dusti has a very good grasp of CSD; I deal with [[WP:PROD|proposed deletions]] and delete a lot of them, and I've seen a few that were originally nominated for speedy deletion where they don't even come close to meeting the CSD requirements. For example, see [[UsageTracker|this article]] (history only available to admins) where a one-line article with absolutely nothing promotional was nominated for [[WP:CSD#G11|G11]] deletion. Giving someone with such a shaky grasp of deletion policy the tools when they are planning on doing speedy deletions would be a big mistake. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 00:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Atama, please see my [[User:Dusti/CSD Coaching|CSD]] coaching page, and the statement above about staying away from AFD and CSD in regards to sysop actions. < |
#::Atama, please see my [[User:Dusti/CSD Coaching|CSD]] coaching page, and the statement above about staying away from AFD and CSD in regards to sysop actions. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 00:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::I understand, and that's wise, but it illustrates a problem with your candidacy, a problem I see often. An editor puts forth a bid for adminship and for any flaws in their knowledge, they state that they are currently being coached about it. That's premature, you should wait until after such coaching before you consider running. Unlike other opposes here, I don't think your demeanor is a problem, just your knowledge, which is something that will come in time. It's much harder for a person to change their personality. My oppose is certainly a "notnow", not a "notever". -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 02:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#:::I understand, and that's wise, but it illustrates a problem with your candidacy, a problem I see often. An editor puts forth a bid for adminship and for any flaws in their knowledge, they state that they are currently being coached about it. That's premature, you should wait until after such coaching before you consider running. Unlike other opposes here, I don't think your demeanor is a problem, just your knowledge, which is something that will come in time. It's much harder for a person to change their personality. My oppose is certainly a "notnow", not a "notever". -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 02:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' - The recent Tuxedo junction incident makes me oppose. [[User:December21st2012Freak|< |
#'''Oppose''' - The recent Tuxedo junction incident makes me oppose. [[User:December21st2012Freak|<span style="color:#922724;">'''December21st2012Freak'''</span>]] <sup>[[user talk:December21st2012Freak|<span style="color:#008080;">''Talk to me''</span>]]</sup> at 00:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Not now. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;"> fetch</span>''']][[User talk:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">comms</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:black;">☛</span>]]</span> 00:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Not now. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;"> fetch</span>''']][[User talk:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">comms</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:black;">☛</span>]]</span> 00:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''[[User:Shirik/RFA|Oppose]]''' I am concerned about the candidate's knowledge of [[WP:CSD]], based on [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Zirconia_Starfighter&diff=351097105&oldid=351096008 edits like this] which were tagged for A7 despite being asserted as notable for "the first and only cyber model and grinding performer in Greece" and "interviewed by several magazines". --[[User:Shirik|<span style="color:#005">Sh</span><span style="color:#007">i</span><span style="color:#009">r</span><span style="color:#00A">ik</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Shirik|<span style="color:#88C">Questions or Comments?</span>]])</small> 01:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''[[User:Shirik/RFA|Oppose]]''' I am concerned about the candidate's knowledge of [[WP:CSD]], based on [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Zirconia_Starfighter&diff=351097105&oldid=351096008 edits like this] which were tagged for A7 despite being asserted as notable for "the first and only cyber model and grinding performer in Greece" and "interviewed by several magazines". --[[User:Shirik|<span style="color:#005">Sh</span><span style="color:#007">i</span><span style="color:#009">r</span><span style="color:#00A">ik</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Shirik|<span style="color:#88C">Questions or Comments?</span>]])</small> 01:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#Mostly per Korath and Atama. I rarely oppose, but the judgment is clearly lacking here. Since Atama's one is from ''less than two weeks ago'', I doubt that any amount of coaching since then would make me change my mind. [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 01:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#Mostly per Korath and Atama. I rarely oppose, but the judgment is clearly lacking here. Since Atama's one is from ''less than two weeks ago'', I doubt that any amount of coaching since then would make me change my mind. [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 01:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' - Korath gives the evidence and rationale I was going to. —< |
#'''Oppose''' - Korath gives the evidence and rationale I was going to. —<span style="font-family:Baskerville Old Face;">[[User:the_ed17|<span style="color:#800000;">Ed</span>]] [[User talk:the_ed17|<span style="color:#800000;">(talk</span>]] • [[WP:OMT|<span style="color:#800000;">majestic titan)</span>]]</span> 02:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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# Serious concerns about temperament and judgment. <strong>[[User:RayAYang|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Ray</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:RayAYang|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 02:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
# Serious concerns about temperament and judgment. <strong>[[User:RayAYang|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Ray</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:RayAYang|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 02:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. Concerns about temperament, experience, and judgment. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose'''. Concerns about temperament, experience, and judgment. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' I am concerned about the candidate's familiarity with speedy deletion criteria.--[[User:Banana04131|Banana]] ([[User talk:Banana04131|talk]]) 06:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' I am concerned about the candidate's familiarity with speedy deletion criteria.--[[User:Banana04131|Banana]] ([[User talk:Banana04131|talk]]) 06:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak Oppose''' - Always forgiving towards vandalism patrollers--trust me, we all screw up from time to time and I don't want to discourage people based on mistakes we all make. Some of the badgering of opposes doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, a year long break, and activity over last 3 months, a reason I've never opposed for before. I'm also curious how someone with a 10% automated edit count racks up a ~70 edits to 1 AIV report ratio... which is pretty high as is, let alone given that few automated edits. You have huggle, are you doing these by hand, or just using rollback by hand? Is the tool not accurate, or are you automating some of these tasks, or doing them all by hand? All that would make me weak support or neutral, but the real concern is a shaky, perhaps permissive approach towards some AfD issues. Like Atama I don't think anything about the TJ incident is fatal. But I am bothered by the AfD closures above. I would be open to a future run for sure; I would like to see some solid patrolling for maybe a month or two, as well as a little bit more page creation (3 right now). And get into the mix on AfD as well. None of that's a dealbreaker for me (or probably anyone else), but it's some idea of what I feel are issues. [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 06:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Weak Oppose''' - Always forgiving towards vandalism patrollers--trust me, we all screw up from time to time and I don't want to discourage people based on mistakes we all make. Some of the badgering of opposes doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, a year long break, and activity over last 3 months, a reason I've never opposed for before. I'm also curious how someone with a 10% automated edit count racks up a ~70 edits to 1 AIV report ratio... which is pretty high as is, let alone given that few automated edits. You have huggle, are you doing these by hand, or just using rollback by hand? Is the tool not accurate, or are you automating some of these tasks, or doing them all by hand? All that would make me weak support or neutral, but the real concern is a shaky, perhaps permissive approach towards some AfD issues. Like Atama I don't think anything about the TJ incident is fatal. But I am bothered by the AfD closures above. I would be open to a future run for sure; I would like to see some solid patrolling for maybe a month or two, as well as a little bit more page creation (3 right now). And get into the mix on AfD as well. None of that's a dealbreaker for me (or probably anyone else), but it's some idea of what I feel are issues. [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 06:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose with moral support'''. Not up to speed with CSD and AfD. I do accept that the candidate does not intend to do any admin work in those areas without sufficient learning/experience first. But at the same time, the candidate is actually active in those areas in a non-admin capacity, and I can't help feeling that an admin who is active in any capacity in an area should really be admin-competent in that area. (The Tuxedo junction issue isn't fatal, as it seems there were errors on both sides, but I think it would have been a nice gesture to strike that final warning). I'd say get all the learning/coaching complete, put it to use at CSD and AfD, and then come back and try again and I'd probably be happy to support -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|< |
#'''Oppose with moral support'''. Not up to speed with CSD and AfD. I do accept that the candidate does not intend to do any admin work in those areas without sufficient learning/experience first. But at the same time, the candidate is actually active in those areas in a non-admin capacity, and I can't help feeling that an admin who is active in any capacity in an area should really be admin-competent in that area. (The Tuxedo junction issue isn't fatal, as it seems there were errors on both sides, but I think it would have been a nice gesture to strike that final warning). I'd say get all the learning/coaching complete, put it to use at CSD and AfD, and then come back and try again and I'd probably be happy to support -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|<span style="color:darkred;">Boing<b>!</b></span>]] [[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee#top|<span style="color:darkgreen;">said Zebedee</span>]] 07:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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# AfDs raised in the first oppose are absolutely outrageously bad judgement. Thank goodness they were only keeps - imagine the kerfuffle if they were deleted? I can't trust an admin to deal with AfDs if that's how they go about it. Also, I've concerns relating to this RfA - it seems very few of the opposers will get off without badgering. [[User talk:Urban Fox|< |
# AfDs raised in the first oppose are absolutely outrageously bad judgement. Thank goodness they were only keeps - imagine the kerfuffle if they were deleted? I can't trust an admin to deal with AfDs if that's how they go about it. Also, I've concerns relating to this RfA - it seems very few of the opposers will get off without badgering. [[User talk:Urban Fox|<span style="color:#660000;">'' urban '''f o x''''' </span>]] 07:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Generally poor judgement made worse by overconfidence in that judgement. [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 08:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Generally poor judgement made worse by overconfidence in that judgement. [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 08:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#Per Korath. Very sorry, but these closures suggest judgement or experience issues, hopefully just the latter. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 11:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
#Per Korath. Very sorry, but these closures suggest judgement or experience issues, hopefully just the latter. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 11:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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<s>--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC):'''Neutral''' I'm initially parking here because there is hardly any record of content creation that I can see. I consider content creation to be important for an admin to properly understand core encyclopaedic tenets such as verifiability, original research and reliable sourcing. However a lack of content creation can in my view be outweighed by exceptional contributions in the project space that demonstrate the editor does understand those concepts (see Tim Song's recent RFA). I'm not seeing that degree of exceptional project space contributions yet but I won't move to oppose until it has been examined further because I don't want to come to a premature judgement. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)</s> Move to oppose. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
<s>--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC):'''Neutral''' I'm initially parking here because there is hardly any record of content creation that I can see. I consider content creation to be important for an admin to properly understand core encyclopaedic tenets such as verifiability, original research and reliable sourcing. However a lack of content creation can in my view be outweighed by exceptional contributions in the project space that demonstrate the editor does understand those concepts (see Tim Song's recent RFA). I'm not seeing that degree of exceptional project space contributions yet but I won't move to oppose until it has been examined further because I don't want to come to a premature judgement. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)</s> Move to oppose. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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:As I said above, the majority of the edits that I do are in relation to anti-vandalism work, and other political areas suck as [[WP:SSP]], [[WP:AIV]], [[WP:UAA]], [[WP:AFC]], etc. I do plan on having more project space contributions in the future once I being expanding out (regardless of the outcome of this RFA, but I've noticed myself staying where I am comfortable instead of stretching out and working in more areas to where I am not as active. Especially if this RFA passes, you can trust that I'm not going to use sysop tools unless I am 100% certain about what I am doing. < |
:As I said above, the majority of the edits that I do are in relation to anti-vandalism work, and other political areas suck as [[WP:SSP]], [[WP:AIV]], [[WP:UAA]], [[WP:AFC]], etc. I do plan on having more project space contributions in the future once I being expanding out (regardless of the outcome of this RFA, but I've noticed myself staying where I am comfortable instead of stretching out and working in more areas to where I am not as active. Especially if this RFA passes, you can trust that I'm not going to use sysop tools unless I am 100% certain about what I am doing. <span style="font-family:Segoe script;">[[User:Dusti|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">D</span><span style="color:#ff6600;">u</span><span style="color:#009900;">s</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">t</span><span style="color:#6600cc;">i</span>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</span> 23:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral leaning towards oppose''' For the most part, you are barely over my [[User:The High Fin Sperm Whale/RfA expectations|RfA expectations]], but Korath and Soap have some good points. --[[User:The High Fin Sperm Whale|The High]] [[User talk:The High Fin Sperm Whale|Fin]] [[Special:Contributions/The High Fin Sperm Whale|Sperm]] [[Special:EmailUser/The High Fin Sperm Whale|Whale]] 23:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral leaning towards oppose''' For the most part, you are barely over my [[User:The High Fin Sperm Whale/RfA expectations|RfA expectations]], but Korath and Soap have some good points. --[[User:The High Fin Sperm Whale|The High]] [[User talk:The High Fin Sperm Whale|Fin]] [[Special:Contributions/The High Fin Sperm Whale|Sperm]] [[Special:EmailUser/The High Fin Sperm Whale|Whale]] 23:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral to prevent pile-on''' I do not feel that the candidate is ready at the moment. I am not convinced by the "I won't use certain tools" argument - a candidate cannot be held to such promises. I am concerned by the points raised by the opposers, and the candidate's responses haven't been enough to persuade me that the reasons given in the opposes are invalid. -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|< |
#'''Neutral to prevent pile-on''' I do not feel that the candidate is ready at the moment. I am not convinced by the "I won't use certain tools" argument - a candidate cannot be held to such promises. I am concerned by the points raised by the opposers, and the candidate's responses haven't been enough to persuade me that the reasons given in the opposes are invalid. -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#008000;">talk</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#000080;">contribs</span>]]\ 13:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' I personally avoid AFD-- not my cup of tea. And the user is not prmarily seeking the tools for CSD, but CSD and AIV are too closely linked to be separated in the knowledge base of the candidate. Tuxedo junction could have been handled better, there are situations not covered by templating, and an Admin working in AIV needs to know when not to block well intentioned errors. Had Tuxedo made another faulty edit, would the candidate have proceeded with the threatened block? I don't issue a final warning till I'm convinced that the other user has exhausted my ability to [[WP:AGF]] and means to make unconstructive edits. Clearly Tuxedo was not at their best that day or in those discussions. ''Discussion and dialoge had begun after prior templated warnings.'' The thing to do was to put away the template machine and coach/assist/guide/continue discussion. Tuxedo was clearly outraged by prior warnings and obviously still has strong feelings on the matter. The situation needed to be defused. '''Before giving a user the ability to block vandlas, the user needs to be able to distinguish between the need for blocking and the need for assisatnce.''' I recommend withdrawing for now, gaining more experience, and trying again in 6 months, 6,000 edits. Cheers <big>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]]</big> 16:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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