Talk:Steve Irwin/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll make straightforward copyedits and style improvements as I go. Please correct me if I guff the meaning. I'll jot notes below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

• If there's no chance the commented-out images can be used, why not just remove them?

• Refs need more information. I find using the various cite formats helps.

• Surely Marriage and family belongs in a biography rather than career section? explained elsewhere. I'll pay that.

• Given The Crocodile Hunter was his main show, this is underrepresented in the article. A bit more about it would be good - potted summary of format (there is also a dead link in this section)

• Actually, I'd rename the The Crocodile Hunter section to The Crocodile Hunter and related work - this allows us to place some of the material of basically similar work (10 deadliest snakes and movie spinoff) into that section. The Other television and film work can also include the media campaign material really too.

• Streamlining these subsections allows us to place the material in a more chronological order - currently it jumps back and forth a bit which is a bit confusing.

• Also, the mention of Australia Zoo is pretty brief and a little confusing. A little more on how and when they assumed control, and when they renamed it, and if they impressed a change in direction from his father would be good to add.

Most of this can be found in the Australia Zoo article and on the Australia Zoo website. ZooPro 11:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, although that article is pretty patchy too and light on the area that is relevant to Steve taking over. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

If only life experience counted as a reliable source I could give you a full run down of it all. ZooPro 13:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I know, and one could slap a Pers. comm. tag after it like in real books :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

All in all, a good start, but I think I have flung up a fair bit of material to cover (I was going to do more copyediting but I think we need to get the content right first). I often let these reviews hang around for a while so a good job is better than a slap-dash one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

"Surely Marriage and family belongs in a biography rather than career section?" When I restructured this article a few days ago, I couldn't see a good way to separate Steve Irwin's personal and family life from his career — the two were so thoroughly intertwined that any separation into two separate sections would be hopelessly artificial and lead to massive redundancy. Maybe the best solution is to use a section heading other than "Career". I'd welcome any input on how to handle this. Richwales (talk · contribs) 16:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I have slept on it and now agree that it is more difficult. I think the best answer is to leave it for the time being and buff up the rest of the article first. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've started working on additional cleanup. Richwales (talk · contribs) 05:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I just finished doing a bunch of stuff — mostly taking care of all the "citation needed" and "dead link" issues. Probably still more work remains to be done on the page, but maybe you can take another look now and let me know what you think at this point. Richwales (talk · contribs) 06:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind me butting in, but none of the three non-free images seem to be adding much; see non-free content criterion 8. I'd say they should be removed. J Milburn (talk) 21:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm not an expert in WP:NFCC right now, but it seems to me that this is a judgment call and not obvious. For the moment, I would favour keeping these images in. Richwales (talk · contribs) 06:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

• looking much better - some tags required addressing. I just pklaced them rather than just listing all unreferenced bits. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• I dealt with all the {{citation needed}} tags. It's extremely hard, BTW, to find reliable secondary sources for some of this material because the web is infested with Wikipedia-derived material and we need to be careful about WP:CIRCULAR violations. Richwales (talk · contribs) 06:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources:

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: (two images with FUR issues removed)

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Overall:

Pass or Fail: - Most articles I edit I stick to free images. I think there is a grey area on the FUR for File:Crocodile hunter collision course ver2.jpg and File:Crocodilehuntertitlecard.jpg as the FUR is already being used for their specific articles, and I don't think this article loses much by their loss. I'll double check FUR rationale. The article could do with some more fleshing out on info about Crocodile Hunter and Australia Zoo, but not a deal-breaker for GAN. I think reading Terri's biography'd be helpful here, but I think it is broad enough for GA. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the images would be helpful, but I'm not going to insist on keeping them if others feel the fair use rationales aren't strong enough. Richwales (talk · contribs) 07:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok. done and dusted. GA pass. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help with this. Richwales (talk · contribs) 17:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)