Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies

Statement by uninvolved Bakasuprman

My experience with Freedom skies is that he has a good amount of reliable sources that he quotes on the Indian martial arts and Bodhidharma and related articles. This arbcom is a synthesis of his disputes with Chinese users on one type of article and "white" users on the other. There has been relatively little incivility from either side in this issue and this would be a complete waste of arbcom's time. I urge arbcom to reject this proposal.

Noting Paul's Hinduphobic statement above accusing freedom of Hindu nationalism, Freedom skies, AFAIK isn't even Hindu.Bakaman 23:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Freedom skies: Being a Shaivism Hindu has again acted against me as people think I provide sources for "an agenda."

Freedom skies: Being a Hindu on Wikipedia is demoralizing at times.

JFD 13:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for clarification in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies

One of the Committee's findings of fact was that Freedom skies had "used sockpuppets during the Arbitration case".

He used his sockpuppets to, among other things, accuse other editors of sockpuppetry.[1]

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Since the recent closing of the Arbitration, Freedom skies left me a comment to the effect that, because he edited certain articles using his sockpuppets, he now WP:OWNs them and threatened to report me to this Committee: "I have to ask you to stop appearing on topics that you have not edited on...You have been appearing in articles where you have never appeared before and reverting changes made by my alternative accounts [sockpuppets]...this conduct will be reported if it persists."[2]

Please clarify: is undoing the changes Freedom skies made under the false pretenses of sockpuppetry in some way a violation of the Arbitration Committee's Final decision?
JFD 06:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The postualtes of WP:Sock clearly states that A user making substantial contributions to an area of interest in Wikipedia might register another account to be used solely in connection with developing that area. My edits were being flagged for revert by JFD, and his cabal and now he has gone on to vandalize article so that the section began with "One this basis he suggested that the machine in question was a noria and that it was the first water powered prime mover" without any lead or explainations ([3]). My editing privilages are limited and I have been facing both verbal and editorial abuse by JFD; He has notified editors not connected to him in any manner in the past that my edits need to reverted and has been calling me the Indian nationalist editor. Between 03:32, 5 May 2007 and 00:41, 6 May 2007 he had nothing to do on wikipedia but to flag my articles for revert. He personally placed banned tags on my accounts and even created a template for using aginst me [4].

I take the arbcom's decision to heart and will try to stick with it; JFD on the other hand is doing his best to trap me into a complete ban through provacation like this.

JFD has also misrepresented the staement in which he said that Most egregiously, Freedom skies used his sockpuppets to create the illusion of support for his position in a Request for comment where his sockpuppets were the only editors arguing for that position. That article has nothing to do with JFD's current edits and his manner of speaking makes it look like that article is under question; the articles (water mill, water wheel and pasta) have not had to face any such situation and I have already responded to this claim here and am facing arbcom penalty for all my past actions.

Does the arbcom get to enforce the penalty or has JFD secured the right to drag my name through mud while I serve my sentence as read to me by the arbitrators of this encyclopedia? Do JFD's actions, right after my sentence was read to me, not amount to undue provocation and deleting sourced text in an atempt to have me trapped and get rid of me? Why does JFD announce that I'm serving a sentence to everyone; only to have his announcements answered as Thanks for your note re User:Moerou_toukon and Gunpowder / Black powder. The British references that he uses, e.g. Buchanan (2006), Gunpowder, Explosives and the State: a Technological History and Elliott (1875), The History of India as told by its own Historians, Volume VI, are valid; and I have copies[5].

Why do this? Why not let me edit in peace and isolation like I intended to using my alternate accounts (save for one incident mentioned here; other than that I pushed articles to GA and found universal praise. If that case would have been dealt with on a stand alone basis than it would not have resulted even in a ban but a warning, as is my personal inference given the extraordinary circumstances described here)? Does JFD not have anything better to do on this encyclopedia then ruin my peace of mind by consistently targetting me since 21:00, 15 March 2007. I was in the process of elevating the Gatka article to GA class from this version to this version and have been notifying people dutifully of my edits here and here so that they, not someone who is biased agianst me, get to judge my edits and so that I can actually use the sources and energy at my disposal to do some good work around here.

Unfortunately, both my peace of mind and personal standing on this encyclopedia have taken a beating thanks to JFD's actions of consistent revert warring, targetting me with an agenda, and working here not to contribute, but to take care and get rid of me once and for all.

He also misrepresented my statement; I'll provide a copy here. I'm sorry for the tone or the errors in this staement.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  07:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Freedom skies used his sockpuppets to create the illusion of support for his position in a Request for comment where his sockpuppets were the only editors arguing that position, an unambiguously illegitimate use of multiple accounts.

Moreover, Freedom skies used these socks during the Arbitration, obscuring the full scope of Freedom skies' conduct from the scrutiny of the Arbitration Committee, another use of sockpuppets forbidden by WP:SOCK.

In addition, Freedom skies listed one of his socks under "Japanese Wikipedians" and named the other "Phillip Rosenthal" in order to obscure the nationalist nature of his editing, which would really be neither here nor there had Freedom skies not threatened a fellow Wikipedian "editors who alter their very ethnicity to gain leverage in long standing disputes surely ought to be punished."

It is not a violation of wiki policy to undo changes made by abusive sockpuppets.
Even the clarification immediately below reflects that.
JFD 15:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The "Freedom skies" case does not provide justification for the blanket revertion of Freedom skies' edits. Doing so would be a blatant violation of appropriate editorial practice. An edit should be judged on its merits, not on the basis of who made it. Paul August ☎ 17:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I will make a Request for comment detailing which sockpuppet edits should be reverted and on what grounds of justification. JFD 17:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As an uninvolved administrator (because this isn't really about the meaning of the arbitration case per se any more), I would say that you can proceed as you think best, but couldn't this be addressed in the normal editing process? Good edits should stay, bad edits should be reverted or improved. An RfC to discuss the matter further wouldn't seem necessary unless a specific problem arises, particularly since Freedom skies knows he can no longer engage in any edit-warring on the articles. Newyorkbrad 17:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

How about this? I will explain fully the justification for the reversion of any particular edit on an article's Talk page. That's reasonable. JFD 17:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Freedom skies used his sockpuppets to create the illusion of support for his position in a Request for comment where his sockpuppets were the only editors arguing that position, an unambiguously illegitimate use of multiple accounts.

Have you edited on that article you recall in that incident under the extraordinatry circumstances described here or are you trying to edit other articles by using that incident to mask your actions on other articles?

The extraordinary circumstances described here do not result in warranting a punishment for that particlar use.

Stop Misinterpreations, JFD.

Moreover, Freedom skies used these socks during the Arbitration, obscuring the full scope of Freedom skies' conduct from the scrutiny of the Arbitration Committee, another use of sockpuppets forbidden by WP:SOCK.

Yeah right,

I wanted to hide from the arbcom that I work to push Yoga and Pasta to GA level in less than a month's work alone.

I also wanted to hide that I pushed several articles so near to GA that any editor with a as much as a Google books search and fifteen mins of free time can do the honors and finish it off.

Sound reasoning as I've come to expect from you.

In addition, Freedom skies listed one of his socks under "Japanese Wikipedians" and named the other "Phillip Rosenthal" in order to obscure the nationalist nature of his editing, which would really be neither here nor there had Freedom skies not threatened a fellow Wikipedian "editors who alter their very ethnicity to gain leverage in long standing disputes surely ought to be punished."

Are you kidding me?

Which long term dispute did I settle with you using my alternative accounts?

Did I edit your flagship Bodhidharma, the martial arts, and the disputed India connection article or the Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts article?

Did I edit the Zen article or the Indian martial arts article?

I used my accounts fairly; unlike some poeple who used to argue for a point of view then changed their ethnicity, insisted on talking to the editors in their previous opposition and came back to take care of the same articles they used to edit as other people altogather.

Misrepresentation gets you only so far, JFD.

How about this? I will explain fully the justification for the reversion of any particular edit on an article's Talk page. That's reasonable.

To the arbitrators,

No need to reply now, sirs.

Apparently JFD does not wait for your answers as he completely blanked content here and here.

JFD also slapped Moerou toukon (block log) and IP range 59.94.96.0–59.94.106.0 are socks of an Indian nationalist editor with a history of POV-pushing,[18][19][20] citing unreliable sources,[21] and misrepresenting his sources.[22][23] Moerou toukon has since been permanently blocked and that editor placed on revert parole by the Arbitration Committee for edit-warring and abuse of sockpuppets. and His attribution to ancient India relies heavily on a single chapter of Buchanan (2006) by Asitesh Bhattacharya and his sock edits give Bhattacharya undue weight. Bhattacharya himself acknowledges "the prevailing view in the relevant academic community": "The respected work of scholars like Joseph Needham and general surveys such as that in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, credit Chinese alchemists with discovering in the ninth century..." (Buchanan 2006:42). on the talk page.

You'll note that this PRC propoganda piece lies havily on what, a handful of sources that are'nt even supporting JFD's claim in many cases but have to be "interpretated"? The work also gives undue emphasis on the claims made by one arrested communist criminal and one international pariah; two writers that JFD protects no matter what.

On Reverting

If there is anything wrong with my edits then let a neutral member of our community find it and correct it, not JFD.

I request for an additional sentence being awarded to JFD in the light of his recent actions of using this encyclopedia for inflicting moral damage on me and not logging in here to contribute to provide knowledge to others for free, but to engage in online wargames and bullying againsts me.

Compare his actions from since 21:00, 15 March 2007 onwards with mine; JFD has not contributed to the making of this encyclopedia; I have.

I request that JFD be barred from editing on articles that I have edited on until I can fully respond in complete editorial capacity on basis of his actions of vandalism with malicious intent. JFD sure did not find these articles problematic as long as I had my full privilages but as soon as I was crippled he went haywire.

JFD should also be barred from the talk pages on these articles as he has personally attacked my race in the recent days by calling me the Indian nationalist editor.

Furthermore, his edits are nothing more than blanking sourced content; If there is anything wrong with the content then other editors can find a way to correct them, and I'm sure it would'nt involve someone going on a revert spree.

Extending regards to those involved with the Arbcom, _{Freedom skies| talk}  06:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is there another Rfa? leave freedom skies alone. the man's a good editor.--D-Boy 18:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

JFD has made another statement here. _{Freedom skies| talk}  06:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)