Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clive Parker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 14:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Clive Parker

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Non-notable musician. Not covered by non-trivial third part sources. Damiens.rf 19:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

• Delete The subject does not appear notable to me.-RHM22 (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Keep, but only barely. I changed my !vote after reading about Big Country, which does seem to lend some notability.-RHM22 (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the information Damien. Wikipedia states that a musician is notable if they have played in a name band, or have had a hit record on the country's National Music Chart, has released 2 or more albums on a major label or notable independent label. This musician has done several of this things - see 'Do a Runner' chart placing, along with membership of Big Country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) The sources seem to be verifiable and taken from Big Country pages, Spizzenergi Wikipedia page, etc, etc. it would also seem to comply with the requirement (quote) 'Wikipedia contains biographical material on people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known'. In formation like this is invaliable in piecing together Punk rock | Rock music genres | Underground culture | Youth culture in the United Kingdom. If this page is deleted then dozens of others would have to go as well, like this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Miles-Kingston. Also it complies with BLPPROD policy. I hope you can retract the deletion flag you have put up, as there has been a huge amount of work to piece together the bits of this musician, who links many genres and bands from the 70's / 80's fulfilling the following criteria; 3.The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Thank you.

Debbiereynolds (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

• Strong keep as per arguments put forward by Debbiereynolds. The usual way these pan out is for the AFD to run its course (the deletion tag will be there for a week) unless there is a consensus for speedy keep Catfish Jim & the soapdish 21:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. While the article lacks citations for various claims, the subject clearly meets #6 from the topical notability criteria found at WP:MUSICBIO. The topical criteria allows for musicians who have been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles. Parker has been the member of four notable bands, having recorded with three of them. Yes, there is a lack of independent sources, but the article is not devoid of them. I have been working with the article creator and while there is a learning curve (as we have all traversed) I am confident that these issues will be appropriately addressed. Cind.amuse 02:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

• I wonder why this article is still being considered for deletion? Looking at your criteria: '1.Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself' '2.Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.' Clive Parker has had top slots in the UK independent charts for over one year! Clive Parker was a member of several reputable bands. This has been proved. His work as a musician and producer with artist 'Kasie Sharp' resulted in slot 5 in UK Dance Chart. Do you need more examples please? Ninabrem (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
• Just noticed someone that recommended the deletion changed their mind after a couple of hours. I'm new to Wikipedia. Is this normal? Seems really whimsical. Actually they have said 'Keep', but only barely.' What does that mean? Also says 'some notability'. Are they reluctant to keep the article? Ninabrem (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. These deletion discussions run for seven days, or until such time as consensus is reached. At that time, another editor will assess the discussion and close accordingly. You can find further information about these discussions at these links: WP:AFD, WP:AFDEQ, and WP:DISCUSSAFD. The forum is provided for editors to make recommendations on the notability and viability of an article, supported by policy. Editors often revise their recommendation according to the strength of the presentations made by others in the discussion. When an editor chooses to change their recommendation, they reflect this change by striking out the previous notation that they made. Feel free to ask questions any time. Cind.amuse 00:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

• Keep - This article confirms Parker as the original drummer for Big Country at its formation. I'm sure there's other stuff ot there that can confirm his membership in the other bands which allow him to meet WP:BAND. -- Whpq (talk) 16:38, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

• Keep just to try and back-up what I previously said - about a week ago... Whilst this seems like a slightly weird entry because of citations from punk to pop, electronic, and dance, Parker was obviously a major creative character having forged a style in major punk and new-wave groups. These included inaugural line-ups of The Members and Big Country (namely at a sensitive time between The Skids and the 'bagpipe sound'), and hit new wave band SpizzEnergi. To this end one cannot really ignore the major contribution to a number of important cultural/music movements in the UK that ultimately had worldwide ramifications. I'm certain with continued work, and citations, the article will improve, but that doesn't detract from the notibility of the person as it stands. Thank you! Debbiereynolds (talk) 10:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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