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The result was delete, the article website isn't a Reliable source. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonsfoot

Lacking any "significant coverage by independent sources" as required by WP:NOTE Google news archives search turns up nothing Corpx 02:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. What sources are present are insufficient to establish notability. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The lack of reliable sources is a concern here for this article. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 03:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, because it seems to assert some notability, but I agree that the main editors to the article should add additional reliable sources and perhaps divide the article into sections with headings. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 04:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think articles should be kept in hope that somebody someday might add these citations. That would defeat the whole point of WP:NOTE. I looked around to find some notability and came up empty handed and if you can find some, I'll gladly consider my position. Corpx 05:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A good chunk of the content is unnecessary and unencyclopaedic, but as communities of first edition D&D players go, this one is notable. Capmango 04:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nothing found in a Google News Archive search. Fails WP:WEB. --Dhartung | Talk 05:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:WEB, WP:RS. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Though not as popular as some of the 3E+ communities, this one does seem rather well-known among 1E players. In addition, the rather high-profile presence of a number of 1E professionals, such as Gary Gygax, Frank Mentzer, Jim Ward, Rob Kuntz, and Len Lakofa certainly lend the subject an amount of notability. I would suggest improving the article, however.--Robbstrd 21:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think notability can be inherited to actions done by notable people. I think this article still fails WP:NOTE for lack of "significant coverage by independent sources" Corpx 22:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But you are misreading WP:NOTE. It does not say that a subject without significant coverage in independent sources lacks notability. It only asserts the converse: Notability can be assumed if independent coverage exists. If it does not exist, then we must look to other means to determine notability. A D&D web site that includes regular posts by Gary Gygax himself is notable because Gary invented the game. Capmango 17:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that just because Gary Gygax posts there that it is notable. If a football coach or a player posts on a fan forum, I dont think it would give it notability. I think this also fails WP:WEB which is supposed to be a better guideline on websites. Corpx 18:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I guess I implied that Gary Gygax could bestow notability by his mere presence. I meant that this is one factor to take into consideration. Capmango 21:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - lacks reliable sources -- Whpq 17:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KeepThe analogy that he is a football coach or player is not convincing - He created the game - Therefore it is notable that he posts on the boards of Dragonsfoot - I do question its entry, in that it should be a sub note in the main D&D section to show original AD&D is still a viable alternative to the newer dumbed down versions 86.130.66.5 11:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''delete''', the article website isn't a [[WP:RS|Reliable source]]. [[User:Jaranda|Jaranda]] [[User_talk:Jaranda|<sup>wat's sup</sup>]] 02:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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 Lacking any "significant coverage by independent sources" as required by [[WP:NOTE]] [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&tab=wn&hl=en&q=Dragonsfoot.org&ie=UTF-8 Google news archives] search turns up nothing [[User:Corpx|Corpx]] 02:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete'''.  What sources are present are insufficient to establish notability. --[[User:Dennisthe2|'''<span style="background:Orange;color:Black">Dennis The Tiger</span>''']]  ([[User talk:Dennisthe2|Rawr]] and [[Special:Contributions/Dennisthe2|stuff]]) 02:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' The lack of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] is a concern here for this article. --<span style="background:gold;">[[WP:EA|<span style="color:green;">S</span>]][[User:Siva1979|iva1979]]</span><sup style="background:yellow;">[[User talk:Siva1979|Talk to me]]</sup> 03:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''', because it seems to assert some notability, but I agree that the main editors to the article should add additional reliable sources and perhaps divide the article into sections with headings.  Best, --<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</span><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 04:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+:*I dont think articles should be kept in hope that somebody someday might add these citations.  That would defeat the whole point of [[WP:NOTE]].   I looked around to find some notability and came up empty handed and if you can find some, I'll gladly consider my position. [[User:Corpx|Corpx]] 05:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' A good chunk of the content is unnecessary and unencyclopaedic, but as communities of first edition D&D players go, this one is notable. [[User:Capmango|Capmango]] 04:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''', nothing found in a Google News Archive search. Fails [[WP:WEB]]. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 05:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per [[WP:WEB]], [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - <b><span style="color:#FF0000;">St</span><span style="color:#FF5500;">ar</span><span style="color:#FF8000;">bli</span><span style="color:#FFC000;">nd</span></b> 16:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''. Though not as popular as some of the 3E+ communities, this one does seem rather well-known among 1E players. In addition, the rather high-profile presence of a number of 1E professionals, such as [[Gary Gygax]], [[Frank Mentzer]], [[Jim Ward (game designer)|Jim Ward]], [[Rob Kuntz]], and [[Len Lakofa]] certainly lend the subject an amount of notability. I would suggest improving the article, however.--[[User:Robbstrd|Robbstrd]] 21:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+:*I dont think notability can be inherited to actions done by notable people.  I think this article still fails [[WP:NOTE]] for lack of "significant coverage by independent sources" [[User:Corpx|Corpx]] 22:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+::*But you are misreading [[WP:NOTE]].  It does ''not'' say that a subject without significant coverage in independent sources ''lacks'' notability. It only asserts the converse: Notability can be ''assumed'' if independent coverage exists.  If it does not exist, then we must look to other means to determine notability.  A D&D web site that includes regular posts by Gary Gygax himself is notable because Gary invented the game. [[User:Capmango|Capmango]] 17:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
+::*I disagree that just because Gary Gygax posts there that it is notable.  If a football coach or a player posts on a fan forum, I dont think it would give it notability.  I think this also fails [[WP:WEB]] which is supposed to be a better guideline on websites. [[User:Corpx|Corpx]] 18:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
+::*Sorry, I guess I implied that Gary Gygax could bestow notability by his mere presence.  I meant that this is one factor to take into consideration. [[User:Capmango|Capmango]] 21:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - lacks reliable sources -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] 17:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''The analogy that he is a football coach or player is not convincing - He created the game - Therefore it is notable that he posts on the boards of Dragonsfoot - I do question its entry, in that it should be a sub note in the main D&D section to show original AD&D is still a viable alternative to the newer dumbed down versions [[User:86.130.66.5|86.130.66.5]] 11:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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