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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From Eva with Love

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Fails WP:NFILM. Google finding very few sources. noq (talk) 11:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Confirming my PROD, "Fails WP:NFILM and I could not find any reviews in WP:RS". Appears to be being edited by the filmmaker himself. shoy (reactions) 12:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. shoy (reactions) 12:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found it difficult to believe that film (even a short film) receiving multiple awards (even if not seen as "major" as an Oscar) had received absolutely no coverage. In a quick look, I easily found an in-depth independent review by James McDonald at Irish Film Critic. I have convinced myself it is worth looking further before declaring them non-existent. At the very least, the author should be sent to WP:NAU to better understand the difficulties of WP:COI when editing. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 20:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that link is a dup of [1] that is already on the article. noq (talk) 22:40, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and it is the original review of which the article ref was itself a dup. I still support a deeper search. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 17:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFILM specifies a "major award". Any organization can make trophies and give them out. shoy (reactions) 12:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's an "attribute to consider" which suggests that "sources may exist" and is not itself a mandate when it clarifies "Standards have not yet been established to define a major award, but it's not to be doubted that an Academy Award, or Palme D'or, Camera D'or, or Grand Prix from Cannes would certainly be included. Many major festivals such as Venice or Berlin should be expected to fit our standard as well"... essentially telling us that awards (even non-major) hint that coverage may exist. This is why I suggested Looking deeper. Simple. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as even the comment above stating the links are still quite thin and are not coming close to the actual needed substance, let alone information, because all what's the listed here are some film show appearances. SwisterTwister talk 00:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a non-notable short film. The sources are weak, to say the least. Other than showing at mid-level film festivals, I don't see any evidence this has ever been shown in a regular movie theater, much less an "indie house". Unless a short film is shown at the Cannes Court Métrage or some similar high-profile shorts-fest or a World SF Con, it's unlikely to get much media attention. Furthermore, none of the actors are notable yet. Bearian (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' - Confirming my PROD, "Fails [[WP:NFILM]] and I could not find any reviews in [[WP:RS]]". Appears to be being edited by the filmmaker himself. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 12:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 :<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 12:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)</small>
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+*'''Comment:''' I found it difficult to believe that film (even a short film) receiving [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3758170/awards multiple awards] (even if not seen as "major" as an Oscar) had received absolutely no coverage. In a quick look, I easily found an in-depth independent review  [http://irishfilmcritic.com/movie-review-from-eva-with-love-possesses-a-killer-twist/ by James McDonald at ''Irish Film Critic'']. I have convinced myself it is worth looking further before declaring them non-existent. At the very least, the author should be sent to [[WP:NAU]] to better understand the difficulties of [[WP:COI]] when editing. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<span style="color:blue;">Schmidt, </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<sup><small>Michael Q.</small></sup>]]'' 20:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
+:*'''Comment''' that link is a dup of [http://redcarpetcrash.com/short-movie-review-from-eva-with-love-possesses-a-killer-twist/] that is already on the article. [[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 22:40, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
+::* Yes, and it is the original review of which the article ref was itself a dup.  I still support a deeper search. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<span style="color:blue;">Schmidt, </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<sup><small>Michael Q.</small></sup>]]'' 17:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
+::::[[WP:NFILM]] specifies a "major award". Any organization can make trophies and give them out. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 12:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
+:::::Ah, that's an [[WP:OEN|"attribute to consider"]] which suggests that "sources may exist" and is not itself a mandate when it clarifies {{tq|"Standards have not yet been established to define a major award, but it's not to be doubted that an Academy Award, or Palme D'or, Camera D'or, or Grand Prix from Cannes would certainly be included. Many major festivals such as Venice or Berlin should be expected to fit our standard as well"}}... essentially telling us that awards (even non-major) hint that coverage may exist. This is why I suggested Looking deeper. Simple. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<span style="color:blue;">Schmidt, </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<sup><small>Michael Q.</small></sup>]]'' 05:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' as even the comment above stating the links are still quite thin and are not coming close to the actual needed substance, let alone information, because all what's the listed here are some film show appearances. [[User:SwisterTwister|<span style="color:green;">'''S'''wister'''T'''wister</span>]] [[User talk:SwisterTwister|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]] 00:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' as a [[WP:MILL|non-notable short]] film. The [[WP:RS|sources are weak]], to say the least. Other than showing at mid-level film festivals, I don't see any evidence this has ever been shown in a regular movie theater, much less an "indie house". Unless a short film is shown at the Cannes ''Court Métrage'' or some similar high-profile shorts-fest or a World SF Con, it's unlikely to get much media attention. Furthermore, none of the actors are [[WP:TOOSOON|notable yet]]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 18:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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