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The result was keep. ~fl 06:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Galleri Rom

I'm bringing this here because my good faith efforts are not really producing any information that explains the importance of this gallery. The article creator says it plays an important role in Norwegian culture, but I can't verify that with reliable sources. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC) - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. At first I balked at the suggestion that notability was implied by the article Kjetil Trædal Thorsen, but the source that discusses Galleri Rom in that article does not indicate its notability as I had hoped. My Google search likewise seems to only bring up sources which indicate art which is exhibited there, and do not seem to discuss the gallery at all. The Estonian-language article does not have any more sources, and searches on Norwegian Wikipedias (Nynorsk and Bokmål) yielded nothing. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I find some sources but I don't read Norwegian. Going to see if I can find a Norwegian speaker to help decipher whether these establish notability StarM 00:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC) Keep per the sources identified and information provided below by those who can read the language. StarM 00:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. I do read Norwegian. Aftenposten is a large, staid and serious newspaper; "Galleri%20Rom" here's search result for Galleri Rom in that paper. Oops, you have to write "Galleri Rom" in quotes in the search box there.

Addition, 16 Oct 2006 in Aftenposten mention in a fashion article + several other articles, mostly notices about exhibitions at Galleri ROM. A search of Aftenposten for ROM for Kunst og Arkitektur gives some newer results: [1] [2]

Here is an article in Arkitektnytt, Architect News, about the gallery and its leader, Henrik der Minassian. It says he's been the leader since Galleri ROM and Institutt for Romkunst (The Institute for Room Art) were combined in 2005 to become ROM for Kunst og Arkitektur (ROOM for Art and Architecture). And here is another article in the same magazine, where, clearly, the gallery is still called Galleri Rom, now in 2009.

It appears that the gallery is active with both exhibitions and conferences. - Hordaland (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per the articles in no:Arkitektnytt linked by Hordaland, which count as exclusive coverage in a third-party RS. Apparently there was an article in Aftenposten as well, but it is unfortunately no longer accessible. I'm not so sure it "plays an important role in Norwegian culture", as the creator stated, but it seems to meet our notability guidelines. decltype (talk) 05:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — As User:Hordaland and User:Decltype identify, there is further content which can be added & this is an arguably notable article. But we really, reaaally should add further content to get it out of the ultra-stub class. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 18:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — Added additional content. Still think it is a keep. Williamborg (Bill) 21:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was    '''keep'''. <span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#888;">~[[user talk:fl|<span style="color:#000;"><b>fl</b></span>]]</span> 06:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
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-I'm bringing this here because my good faith efforts are not really producing any information that explains the [[WP:NOTE|importance]] of this gallery.  The article creator says it plays an important role in Norwegian culture, but I can't [[WP:V|verify]] that with [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. -&nbsp;<font face="Verdana">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></font> 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC) -&nbsp;<font face="Verdana">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></font> 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+I'm bringing this here because my good faith efforts are not really producing any information that explains the [[WP:NOTE|importance]] of this gallery.  The article creator says it plays an important role in Norwegian culture, but I can't [[WP:V|verify]] that with [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. -&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></span> 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC) -&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></span> 16:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
-*'''Comment.'''  At first I balked at the suggestion that notability was implied by the article [[Kjetil Trædal Thorsen]], but the source that discusses Galleri Rom in that article does not indicate its notability as I had hoped. My [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Galleri+Rom%22+importance&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Google search] likewise seems to only bring up sources which indicate art which is exhibited there, and do not seem to discuss the gallery at all. The [[:et:Galleri Rom|Estonian-language article]] does not have any more sources, and searches on Norwegian Wikipedias ([[:nn:Hovudside|Nynorsk]] and [[:no:Hovedside|Bokmål]]) yielded nothing. -&nbsp;<font face="Verdana">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></font> 17:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Comment.'''  At first I balked at the suggestion that notability was implied by the article [[Kjetil Trædal Thorsen]], but the source that discusses Galleri Rom in that article does not indicate its notability as I had hoped. My [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Galleri+Rom%22+importance&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Google search] likewise seems to only bring up sources which indicate art which is exhibited there, and do not seem to discuss the gallery at all. The [[:et:Galleri Rom|Estonian-language article]] does not have any more sources, and searches on Norwegian Wikipedias ([[:nn:Hovudside|Nynorsk]] and [[:no:Hovedside|Bokmål]]) yielded nothing. -&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></span> 17:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Museums and libraries|list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small> <small>-- [[User:TexasAndroid|TexasAndroid]] ([[User talk:TexasAndroid|talk]]) 17:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</small>
-*'''Comment''' I find [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Galleri+Rom%22&cf=all some sources] but I don't read Norwegian. Going to see if I can find a Norwegian speaker to help decipher whether these establish notability <font face="Verdana" color="6633FF">[[User talk:Star Mississippi|'''StarM''']]</font> 00:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
+*<s>'''Comment''' I find [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Galleri+Rom%22&cf=all some sources] but I don't read Norwegian. Going to see if I can find a Norwegian speaker to help decipher whether these establish notability [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b>]] 00:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</s> '''Keep''' per the sources identified and information provided below by those who can read the language. [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b>]] 00:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
-*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway|list of Norway-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small> <small>-- <font face="Verdana" color="6633FF">[[User talk:Star Mississippi|'''StarM''']]</font> 00:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</small>
+*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway|list of Norway-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small> <small>-- [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b>]] 00:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</small>
 *'''Comment.'''  I do read Norwegian.  ''[[Aftenposten]]'' is a large, staid and serious newspaper; [http://partner.sesam.no/ap/?q="Galleri%20Rom"] here's search result for Galleri Rom in that paper. Oops, you have to write "Galleri Rom" in quotes in the search box there.
+:::: Addition, 16 Oct 2006 in Aftenposten [http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/aktivitet_friluft/article8709.ece   mention in a fashion article] + several other articles, mostly notices about exhibitions at '''Galleri ROM'''.  A search of ''Aftenposten'' for '''ROM for Kunst og Arkitektur''' gives some newer results: [http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/?service=redirect&sourceid=2481136] [http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/litteratur/article1833192.ece]
 : [http://www.arkitektnytt.no/page/page/preview/10831/news-4-2953.html Here] is an article in ''Arkitektnytt'', Architect News, about the gallery and its leader, Henrik der Minassian.  It says he's been the leader since ''Galleri ROM'' and ''Institutt for Romkunst'' (The Institute for Room Art) were combined in 2005 to become ''ROM for Kunst og Arkitektur'' (ROOM for Art and Architecture). And [http://www.arkitektnytt.no/page/preview/preview/10831/news-4-2865.html here is] another article in the same magazine, where, clearly, the gallery is still called Galleri Rom, now in 2009.
 : It appears that the gallery is active with both exhibitions and conferences.  - [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 01:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-*'''Keep'''. Per the articles in ''[[no:Arkitektnytt]]'' linked by Hordaland, which count as exclusive coverage in a third-party RS. Apparently there was an article in ''[[Aftenposten]]'' as well, but it is unfortunately no longer accessible. I'm not so sure it "plays an important role in Norwegian culture", as the creator stated, but it seems to meet our notability guidelines. <tt>[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</tt> ([[User talk:Decltype|talk]]) 05:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''. Per the articles in ''[[:no:Arkitektnytt]]'' linked by Hordaland, which count as exclusive coverage in a third-party RS. Apparently there was an article in ''[[Aftenposten]]'' as well, but it is unfortunately no longer accessible. I'm not so sure it "plays an important role in Norwegian culture", as the creator stated, but it seems to meet our notability guidelines. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</span> ([[User talk:Decltype|talk]]) 05:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' &mdash; As [[User:Hordaland]] and [[User:Decltype]] identify, there is further content which can be added & this is an arguably notable article. But we really, reaaally should add further content to get it out of the ultra-stub class.  Skål - [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg]] ([[User talk:Williamborg|Bill]]) 18:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
+::'''Comment''' &mdash; Added additional content. Still think it is a keep. [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg]] ([[User talk:Williamborg|Bill]]) 21:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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