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The result was delete. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 21:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hattori Tomosada

This article on an unnotable person has lacked real sources since its inception, and has been tagged as needing sources and cleanup for 8 months. The only "source" is a video game - this article's content is questionable at best, and although there is a chance that this person is real, the article as it stands should be removed until such time that actual real and verifiable sources are utilized, if this person even proves to be notable at all. The vast majority of google hits are from video games and wikipedia mirror sites. Kuuzo 18:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as it stands this article could be nothing more than fiction purporting to be historical fact. If this is indeed the case it's completely unacceptable. If reliable sources can be found then keep. Naufana : talk 01:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 20:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no reliable sources provided, and google searches have turned up none to verify individual as an historical figure, although he does appear to be a character in a video game. -- Whpq 17:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Hattori Tomosada was a real person, though this article needs to be revised if it's going to be kept; it doesn't even mention that he was appointed lord of Nagashima Castle by the Honganji and led the revolting Ikkoshu there, and the battle between the Ikkoshu and Oda's forces in Nagashima was an important battle in Japanese history. A quickie google search found some biographical info at the following sites (all in Japanese though): http://hishiki77.ld.infoseek.co.jp/2-2shushi/2-2-7shiro/seimei/hattori.htm, http://hp1.cyberstation.ne.jp/histry/nagashimanenpyou.html, I'm sure a lot more can be found in books or Japanese encyclopedias, of course. There's no denying though that as generals in the Sengoku/Azuchi-Momoyama period go he was a real bit player. Wikipedia Japan doesn't even have an entry on him yet. Masakado 21:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Until verifiable, and yes in English, can be found. ShoesssS ^Talk

13:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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+The result was '''delete'''. [[User:Jaranda|Jaranda]] [[User_talk:Jaranda|<sup>wat's sup</sup>]] 21:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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 This article on an unnotable person has lacked real sources since its inception, and has been tagged as needing sources and cleanup for 8 months.  The only "source" is a '''video game''' - this article's content is questionable at best, and although there is a chance that this person is real, the article as it stands should be removed until such time that actual real and '''verifiable''' sources are utilized, if this person even proves to be notable at all. The vast majority of google hits are from video games and wikipedia mirror sites. [[User:Kuuzo|Kuuzo]] 18:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''', as it stands this article ''could'' be nothing more than fiction purporting to be historical fact. If this is indeed the case it's completely unacceptable. If reliable sources can be found then ''keep''. [[User:Naufana|<font color="#DCDCDC">Na</font><font color="A9A9A9">uf</font><font color="696969">ana</font>]] : [[User_talk:Naufana|<font color="black">talk</font>]] 01:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''', as it stands this article ''could'' be nothing more than fiction purporting to be historical fact. If this is indeed the case it's completely unacceptable. If reliable sources can be found then ''keep''. [[User:Naufana|<span style="color:#DCDCDC;">Na</span><span style="color:#A9A9A9;">uf</span><span style="color:#696969;">ana</span>]] : [[User_talk:Naufana|<span style="color:black;">talk</span>]] 01:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
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 *<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan|list of Japan-related deletions]].  </small> -- [[User:Neier|Neier]] 20:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - no reliable sources provided, and google searches have turned up none to verify individual as an historical figure, although he does appear to be a character in a video game. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] 17:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' - Hattori Tomosada was a real person, though this article needs to be revised if it's going to be kept; it doesn't even mention that he was appointed lord of Nagashima Castle by the Honganji and led the revolting Ikkoshu there, and the battle between the Ikkoshu and Oda's forces in Nagashima  was an important battle in Japanese history. A quickie google search found some biographical info at the following sites (all in Japanese though): http://hishiki77.ld.infoseek.co.jp/2-2shushi/2-2-7shiro/seimei/hattori.htm, http://hp1.cyberstation.ne.jp/histry/nagashimanenpyou.html, I'm sure a lot more can be found in books or Japanese encyclopedias, of course. There's no denying though that as generals in the Sengoku/Azuchi-Momoyama period go he was a real bit player. Wikipedia Japan doesn't even have an entry on him yet. [[User:Masakado|Masakado]] 21:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' Until verifiable, and yes in English, can be found.   <span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Shoessss|'''S'''''hoesss'''''S''']] <sup>[[User talk:Shoessss|''Talk'']]</sup></span> </div></div>13:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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