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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 23:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Craciun III

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This is related to the WP:Articles for deletion/George Jay Wienbarg (2nd nomination) and WP:Articles for deletion/David Capurso deletions. It was written by someone with a vested interest (Georgewienbarg (talk · contribs)) and is about an individual with borderline if at any notabilitity. —Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - article has notability in music and history of FM Radio. No obvious WP:COI Whiteguru (talk) 06:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Errm, what? No obvious conflict of interest? What checking did you do before making that statement? The article was created by the user Georgewienbarg. The article mentions George Wienbarg as a business associate of Craciun. That is surely enough to strongly suggest a conflict of interest, even if you didn't search far enough to know that the user Georgewienbarg has elsewhere indicated that he is indeed the real life George Wienbarg. And as for "article has notability", simply saying so without giving sources or explaining how notability is shown is not very helpful. See WP:ITSNOTABLE.JamesBWatson (talk) 12:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have searched, and can find no substantial coverage in any reliable third party source. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Concur with James B. Watson: there are vitually no independent 2ndary sources that discuss this person. I see one trivial, passing reference in a book: Rock 'n' roll and the Cleveland connection (Page 239), but that is all. Not sufficient to meet WP notability requirements. --Noleander (talk) 22:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Seems to fail WP:GNG. Additionally, the article appears written by someone who had intimate knowledge of this guy's activities despite the dearth of references, raising COI concerns. FuFoFuEd (talk) 21:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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-This is related to the [[WP:Articles for deletion/George Jay Wienbarg (2nd nomination)]] and [[WP:Articles for deletion/David Capurso]] deletions. It was written by someone with a vested interest ({{user|Georgewienbarg}}) and is about an individual with borderline if at any notabilitity. —[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">竜龙</font>]]) 23:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
+This is related to the [[WP:Articles for deletion/George Jay Wienbarg (2nd nomination)]] and [[WP:Articles for deletion/David Capurso]] deletions. It was written by someone with a vested interest ({{user|Georgewienbarg}}) and is about an individual with borderline if at any notabilitity. —[[User:Ryulong|<span style="color:blue;">Ryūlóng</span>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<span style="color:Gold;">竜龙</span>]]) 23:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * '''Keep''' - article has notability in music and history of FM Radio. No obvious [[WP:COI]] [[User:Whiteguru|Whiteguru]] ([[User talk:Whiteguru|talk]]) 06:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
+::Errm, what? No obvious conflict of interest? What checking did you do before making that statement? The article was created by the user Georgewienbarg. The article mentions George Wienbarg as a business associate of Craciun. That is surely enough to strongly suggest a conflict of interest, even if you didn't search far enough to know that the user Georgewienbarg has elsewhere indicated that he is indeed the real life George Wienbarg. And as for "article has notability", simply saying so without giving sources or explaining how notability is shown is not very helpful. See [[WP:ITSNOTABLE]].[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 12:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' I have searched, and can find no substantial coverage in any reliable third party source. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 12:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete''' - Concur with James B. Watson:  there are vitually no independent 2ndary sources that discuss this person.  I see one trivial, passing reference in a book: ''Rock 'n' roll and the Cleveland connection'' (Page 239), but that is all.  Not sufficient to meet WP notability requirements. --[[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 22:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Delete'''. Seems to fail [[WP:GNG]]. Additionally, the article appears written by someone who had intimate knowledge of this guy's activities despite the dearth of references, raising COI concerns. [[User:FuFoFuEd|FuFoFuEd]] ([[User talk:FuFoFuEd|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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