Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karoliina Tapiovaara

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Karoliina Tapiovaara

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An unsourced, one-liner about the illustrator of a book. No improvement two weeks after concerns raised. COI since the article was created by the author of the book. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:CREATIVE. I don't read Finnish so I'm listing this here rather than for speedy A7 in case there is evidence of notability out there that I missed. Meters (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

It's difficult to find much about the book in question since most sites don't list that ISBN, but according to Good Reads https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36098415-muru-ja-puru it's an 80-page kid's book published Aug 21, 2017 by Books on Demand. I assume that means it's self-published. Maybe we should just speedy this as promotional? Meters (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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• Delete I can't see that the subject has done any notable work. The book she illustrated is self-published by the editor, see this edit Mduvekot (talk) 19:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep This is not only "kid's book", it's a fairytale for children AND adults. The writer's book Ikävää, väki? has been two years the most popular in the category of linguistics at eKirjasto (library), and still is. It collects the statistics of all Finland's libraries. Another book, Naaraan, was 14 months the most popular in poems/aphorisms (2nd at the moment). Isn't this notable if the Finnish references are accepted? So you can imagine that Muru ja Puru has many levels. This book has been published last month, therefore I know it's too early to evaluate it's notability. No chartings are available yet. If the voters want to evaluate all the references, site Risto Rekola should be returned - at least temporarily. Risto hot sir (talk) 07:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Risto hot sir (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD, and the writer of the book the subject illustrated.
  • This AFD is not about the notability of Risto hot sir's book. It is about the notability of the illustrator of the book. Whether the book is only for kids is irrelevant as to whether the illustrator is notable. Whether other books by this author or others exist (notable or not) is irrelevant as to whether the illustrator of this book is notable. Whether the book the illustrator worked on eventually becomes notable is irrelevant as to whether the illustrator is currently notable. The author's website is not a reliable source to help determine the illustrator's notability. Meters (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Karoliina's grandpa is Tapio Tapiovaara and his brothers are Nyrki Tapiovaara and Ilmari Tapiovaara. Risto hot sir (talk) 21:44, 16 September 2017 (UTC) -

• • Whether the illustrator's relatives are notable is irrelevant (see WP:not inherited). Meters (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Look at the paintings! I've never seen such an artistic eye of a sixteen-year old! Her grandfather had a romance with Tove Jansson during the second world war and he is in fact Nuuskamuikkunen. Risto hot sir (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• • Your person opinion that she makes nice paintings does not make her notable. And who her other grandfather had a romance with more than 70 years ago is also irrelevant. Please stop adding unsourced irrelevant points to the AFD. We need reliable, independent sources showing that the illustrator is notable. I couldn't find them. No-one else has supplied any. If you can't provide them either then stop trying to save this stub of an article. It simply appears to be promotion of your book and its illustrator. Meters (talk) 23:43, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • This kind of behaviour reminds me of the palindrome conversation where was shown that the Finns are more than thousand times more interested in palindromes than the English people. But what's the answer: just silence.Risto hot sir (talk) 00:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. No sources and no claim to notability. Agricola44 (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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