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The result was delete. Upon reflection, with accidental "meat puppetry" involved, the consensus appears to be delete. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nemesis (Transformers)

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No coverage in reliable sources, an article about a fictional spacecraft which fails WP:FICT and WP:GNG. Black Kite (t) (c) 18:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It does need sources, but I'd be much happier if a certain someone who keeps nominating articles for deletion for lacking sources would instead tag them as needing source and see if we get some. thanks! Mathewignash (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional - I have been collecting books from the library on the subject of anime, comic book characters, etc. That way I have some actual published material to reference for Wikipedia. Hope that helps. Mathewignash (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- So what is the reason for this Keep vote, in this case? It's not so much that it hasn't sources, it's that it doesn't appear notable anyway. But even so, it hasn't had sources for six years - how long does it need? Black Kite (t) (c) 22:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As with pretty much all Transformers-related articles, fails to make an assertion of independent notability. No well-cited content to merge elsewhere [references in article merely verify plot, and fail to provide fodder for real-world consideration/treatment]. I'd be fine with an appropriate redirect target, although if the Transformers content ever is appropriately cleaned up, there will be much double-, triple-, x'iple-redirect fixing to do. --EEMIV (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and EEMIV. Agree that many Transformers subjects may be suitable as redirects, but I'm not going anywhere near this corner of fandom if I can help it. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 05:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge to List of Transformers spacecrafts pursuant to the guidelines of Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Inniverse (talk) 13:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that List of Transformers spacecraft is a bare list created by User:Inniverse after this AfD began, presumably in order to avoid deletion once the AfD began to lean that way. Black Kite (t) (c) 14:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - What do you mean "lean that way"? It With Inniverse's vote the count was 2 for delete and 2 for keep. Please don't misrepresent the facts Black Kite. 198.51.174.5 (talk) 15:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Has some non-primary references and seems to be active. No need to rush to deletion, just tag for needing additional references. 198.51.174.5 (talk) 15:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC) Based on editing overlap, I suspect 198.51.64.5 is a sock of Mathewignash; see the IP's talk page for more[reply]
Merge to the spacecrafts list 92.17.22.20 (talk) 09:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the list, or merge if someon's willing to change it into a proper content list rather than just names. Alzarian16 (talk) 18:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 ** So what ''is'' the reason for this Keep vote, in this case?  It's not so much that it hasn't sources, it's that it doesn't appear notable anyway.  But even so, it hasn't had sources for six years - how long does it need? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Black_Kite|(c)]] 22:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - As with pretty much all Transformers-related articles, fails to make an assertion of independent [[WP:GNG|notability]]. No well-[[WP:RS|cited]] content to merge elsewhere [references in article merely verify plot, and fail to provide fodder for real-world consideration/treatment]. I'd be fine with an appropriate '''redirect''' target, although if the Transformers content ever is appropriately cleaned up, there will be much double-, triple-, x'iple-redirect fixing to do. --[[User:EEMIV|EEMIV]] ([[User talk:EEMIV|talk]]) 21:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per nom and EEMIV. Agree that many Transformers subjects may be suitable as redirects, but I'm not going anywhere near this corner of fandom if I can help it. [[Special:Contributions/69.181.249.92|69.181.249.92]] ([[User talk:69.181.249.92|talk]]) 05:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Keep or Merge''' to [[List of Transformers spacecrafts]] pursuant to the guidelines of [[Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)]]. [[User:Inniverse|Inniverse]] ([[User talk:Inniverse|talk]]) 13:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
+* '''Comment''' Note that [[List of Transformers spacecraft]] is a bare list created by [[User:Inniverse]] after this AfD began, presumably in order to avoid deletion once the AfD began to lean that way. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Black_Kite|(c)]] 14:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
+**'''Comment''' - What do you mean "lean that way"? It With Inniverse's vote the count was 2 for delete and 2 for keep. Please don't misrepresent the facts Black Kite. [[Special:Contributions/198.51.174.5|198.51.174.5]] ([[User talk:198.51.174.5|talk]]) 15:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - Has some non-primary references and seems to be active. No need to rush to deletion, just tag for needing additional references. [[Special:Contributions/198.51.174.5|198.51.174.5]] ([[User talk:198.51.174.5|talk]]) 15:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC) <small>Based on editing overlap, I suspect 198.51.64.5 is a sock of Mathewignash; see the IP's talk page for more</small>
+*'''Merge''' to the spacecrafts list [[Special:Contributions/92.17.22.20|92.17.22.20]] ([[User talk:92.17.22.20|talk]]) 09:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Redirect''' to the list, or '''merge''' if someon's willing to change it into a proper content list rather than just names. [[User:Alzarian16|Alzarian16]] ([[User talk:Alzarian16|talk]]) 18:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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