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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Road Trip: Beer Pong

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Searches provide no indication that this direct-to-DVD film sequel (review: "Speaking of seriously bad movies, this juvenile comedy is headed straight to your local Wal-Mart bargain bin") is notable to the standard of Notability (films). PROD removed by IP. Delete. JohnCD (talk) 11:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 11:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No mitigating reasons to make an exception to WP:NF in this case. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Road Trip, create a sourced section called "Sequel". Pretty much this is a case of SINO (Sequel in name only), as nobody at all involved in the 2000 original is involved in this sequel, and it's doubtful that it'll get high enough attention to merit its own article (if I'm finding out it's coming out on Tuesday only here, the marketing obviously has been incredbly awful.). Nate • (chatter) 04:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Nate. Merge what content works. Nice solution. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 23:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I added some links (NPR, Atlanta Journal-Constitution) to a controversy I'd heard about before I found the Wikipedia page. Plus the movie just came out a couple days ago -- I would think more reviews and such would come out soon. --AW (talk) 07:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've added infobox with DVD artwork. This is a worldwide DVD released film and deserves its own page. Jonesy702 (talk) 22:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is a released DVD with reviews from reputable sources. The quality of the movie is not a factor we should attempt to use as an inclusion criterion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by nominator: I agree that just being a bad film is not grounds for deletion, but being a good film - at least good enough to get shown in a cinema - would certainly help towards notability. If we look at the criteria in Notability (films): "widely distributed... full-length reviews by two or more nationally-known critics... historically notable... major award for excellence... unique accomplishment in cinema... " it's clear that something like this is nowhere near, and the intention is not that every straight-to-DVD production that gets a couple of listing-type reviews should have an article - if the GNG could be used to achieve that, then WP:NF would be meaningless. However I see it can be argued that the fuss about the making of this film squeaks it past the GNG. I'll leave it to the closing admin to balance these arguments: I'm not inclined to withdraw my nomination, but I'll settle for a redirect, as suggested by Nate. JohnCD (talk) 09:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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 *'''Delete''' No mitigating reasons to make an exception to [[WP:NF]] in this case. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 21:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
-*'''Redirect''' to ''[[Road Trip]]'', create a sourced section called "Sequel". Pretty much this is a case of SINO (Sequel in name only), as nobody at all involved in the 2000 original is involved in this sequel, and it's doubtful that it'll get high enough attention to merit its own article (if I'm finding out it's coming out on Tuesday only here, the marketing obviously has been incredbly awful.). <font face="Myriad Web">'''[[User:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:forestgreen">Nate</span>]]''' <span style="color:dark blue">•</span> <small>''([[User_talk:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:dodgerblue">chatter</span>]])''</small></font> 04:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Redirect''' to ''[[Road Trip]]'', create a sourced section called "Sequel". Pretty much this is a case of SINO (Sequel in name only), as nobody at all involved in the 2000 original is involved in this sequel, and it's doubtful that it'll get high enough attention to merit its own article (if I'm finding out it's coming out on Tuesday only here, the marketing obviously has been incredbly awful.). <span style="font-family:Myriad Web;">'''[[User:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:forestgreen">Nate</span>]]''' <span style="color:dark blue">•</span> <small>''([[User_talk:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:dodgerblue">chatter</span>]])''</small></span> 04:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Redirect''' per Nate. Merge what content works. Nice solution. [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]) 23:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' I added some links (NPR, Atlanta Journal-Constitution) to a controversy I'd heard about before I found the Wikipedia page. Plus the movie just came out a couple days ago -- I would think more reviews and such would come out soon. --[[User:Awiseman|AW]] ([[User talk:Awiseman|talk]]) 07:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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 *'''Keep''' I've added infobox with DVD artwork. This is a worldwide DVD released film and deserves its own page. [[User:Jonesy702|Jonesy702]] ([[User talk:Jonesy702|talk]]) 22:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''.  It is a released DVD with reviews from reputable sources.  The quality of the movie is not a factor we should attempt to use as an inclusion criterion.  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 07:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
+:*'''Comment''' by nominator: I agree that just being a bad film is not grounds for deletion, but being a good film - at least good enough to get shown in a cinema - would certainly help towards notability. If we look at the criteria in [[WP:NF|Notability (films)]]: "''widely distributed... full-length reviews by two or more nationally-known critics... historically notable... major award for excellence... unique accomplishment in cinema... ''" it's clear that something like this is nowhere near, and the intention is not that every straight-to-DVD production that gets a couple of listing-type reviews should have an article - if the GNG could be used to achieve that, then [[WP:NF]] would be meaningless. However I see it can be argued that the fuss about the making of this film squeaks it past the GNG. I'll leave it to the closing admin to balance these arguments: I'm not inclined to withdraw my nomination, but I'll settle for a redirect, as suggested by Nate. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 09:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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