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There is a claim to notability here (a prod was removed), but this unreferenced BLP is destined to remain unreferenced--look, for instance, at the results of [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Rosalind+Richards%22+pobol+y+cwm this Google search]--and that's for her claim to fame, her role in ''[[Pobol Y Cwm]]''. I found her resume, [http://www.cinelgabran.co.uk/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60:rosalindrichards&catid=3:englishactresses&Itemid=3 here], but even that doesn't suggest she's WP-worthy. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
There is a claim to notability here (a prod was removed), but this unreferenced BLP is destined to remain unreferenced--look, for instance, at the results of [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Rosalind+Richards%22+pobol+y+cwm this Google search]--and that's for her claim to fame, her role in ''[[Pobol Y Cwm]]''. I found her resume, [http://www.cinelgabran.co.uk/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60:rosalindrichards&catid=3:englishactresses&Itemid=3 here], but even that doesn't suggest she's WP-worthy. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. The credentials seem to add up to notability. - < |
*'''Keep'''. The credentials seem to add up to notability. - <span style="font-family:MS Gothic;">[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] ([[User talk:Eastmain|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eastmain|contribs]])</span> 04:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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**What credentials, precisely? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
**What credentials, precisely? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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**Wait, wait--as "references" you added [http://resources.rwcmd.ac.uk/actors/profile.cfm?year=2007-2008&id=19 a bio] from the college she attended, which confirms her height and hair color, and you added the above-linked resume (from her agent, no less) to verify the rest? That doesn't even begin to satisfy WP:N, ''even'' if such wildly non-reliable sources were in fact reliable. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
**Wait, wait--as "references" you added [http://resources.rwcmd.ac.uk/actors/profile.cfm?year=2007-2008&id=19 a bio] from the college she attended, which confirms her height and hair color, and you added the above-linked resume (from her agent, no less) to verify the rest? That doesn't even begin to satisfy WP:N, ''even'' if such wildly non-reliable sources were in fact reliable. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nom, completely non-notable. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' per nom, completely non-notable. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak keep''' Completely non notable? And you think [[Brooke Brodack]] is? Youtube celebrities compared to classically trained actresses. Mmmm. Why, because she is Welsh? She has appeared in notable series and aan advert for the [[National Assembly for Wales]] in Wales, (if she was a nobody why would she have been selected?) In fact, [[Pobol y Cwm]] is listed as one of the major soaps in the UK and the biggest in the welsh language, produced by the [[BBC]] so in my humble opinion an actress who has starred in a notable series for years for the BBC, one of the world's most respected broadcasting institutions is clearly notable. It is no different to covering say a telenovela actress from South America or an Irish TV actress or something. Reliable sources exist, but they do not seem to be in abundance. I am surprised there are not more sources about her online actually. If we must delete, delete but as an actress from Wales she would seem to meet requirements. [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> < |
*'''Weak keep''' Completely non notable? And you think [[Brooke Brodack]] is? Youtube celebrities compared to classically trained actresses. Mmmm. Why, because she is Welsh? She has appeared in notable series and aan advert for the [[National Assembly for Wales]] in Wales, (if she was a nobody why would she have been selected?) In fact, [[Pobol y Cwm]] is listed as one of the major soaps in the UK and the biggest in the welsh language, produced by the [[BBC]] so in my humble opinion an actress who has starred in a notable series for years for the BBC, one of the world's most respected broadcasting institutions is clearly notable. It is no different to covering say a telenovela actress from South America or an Irish TV actress or something. Reliable sources exist, but they do not seem to be in abundance. I am surprised there are not more sources about her online actually. If we must delete, delete but as an actress from Wales she would seem to meet requirements. [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <span style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:black;">White cat</span> ]]</sup> 14:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' unless someone can find additional [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that demonstrate her [[WP:BIO|notability]]. The given references certainly do not demonstrate notability, and I can't find anything substantial via a Google search. So perhaps she is notable, but verifiability is the issue? [[User:Pdcook|PDCook]] ([[User talk:Pdcook|talk]]) 16:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' unless someone can find additional [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that demonstrate her [[WP:BIO|notability]]. The given references certainly do not demonstrate notability, and I can't find anything substantial via a Google search. So perhaps she is notable, but verifiability is the issue? [[User:Pdcook|PDCook]] ([[User talk:Pdcook|talk]]) 16:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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I think so. A thought occurred to me. Perhaps we should merge some of the Pobl actor stubs into the series article and give a brief description of each actor. Some of the actors are only noted for appearing in the series so that would be best. I would have no issues with redirecting into this article unless the actor has a substantial filmography and number of sources to make it an adequate seperate article. Any thoughts Dr. Mies?[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> < |
I think so. A thought occurred to me. Perhaps we should merge some of the Pobl actor stubs into the series article and give a brief description of each actor. Some of the actors are only noted for appearing in the series so that would be best. I would have no issues with redirecting into this article unless the actor has a substantial filmography and number of sources to make it an adequate seperate article. Any thoughts Dr. Mies?[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <span style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:black;">White cat</span> ]]</sup> |
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* '''<s>week Keep or </s>merge''' per Dr. Blofeld. Of a certainly she's verifiable (http://www.cinelgabran.co.uk/web/CV%27s/Actress_English/CV%20Rosalind%20Richards.pdf). The question is if she's notable. Given the language issues involved, I'm going with "probably". [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 01:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
* '''<s>week Keep or </s>merge''' per Dr. Blofeld. Of a certainly she's verifiable (http://www.cinelgabran.co.uk/web/CV%27s/Actress_English/CV%20Rosalind%20Richards.pdf). The question is if she's notable. Given the language issues involved, I'm going with "probably". [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 01:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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**But Hobit, that's from her management company. It's my job not to believe those kinds of things. I'm certainly amenable, by the way, to Ernst's suggestion. See below: [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
**But Hobit, that's from her management company. It's my job not to believe those kinds of things. I'm certainly amenable, by the way, to Ernst's suggestion. See below: [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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***I just did some seriously looking and I agree. If she did play the character on the show I'm having a hard time proving it. A merge might well be reasonable, but I don't see a stand-alone article. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 07:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
***I just did some seriously looking and I agree. If she did play the character on the show I'm having a hard time proving it. A merge might well be reasonable, but I don't see a stand-alone article. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 07:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Dr. Blofeld''', if you care to merge this one to the show, and any of the others that are as yet unsourced and are similar to this, I'll gladly withdraw the AfD and we'll leave a nice redirect, since I have no intention of sending Ms. Richards into oblivion. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Dr. Blofeld''', if you care to merge this one to the show, and any of the others that are as yet unsourced and are similar to this, I'll gladly withdraw the AfD and we'll leave a nice redirect, since I have no intention of sending Ms. Richards into oblivion. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Yeah I agree Hobit and Drmies, I was surprised there is not much about her online. Tomorrow then I'll merge a few Pobl bios into the main article.[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> < |
Yeah I agree Hobit and Drmies, I was surprised there is not much about her online. Tomorrow then I'll merge a few Pobl bios into the main article.[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <span style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:black;">White cat</span> ]]</sup> 23:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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