Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Red-backed Fairy-wren

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 02:49, 24 June 2008 [1].

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Red-backed Fairy-wren

I'm nominating this article for featured article because I feel it meets the criteria. As far as I know, I have scoured all published material so it meets comprehensiveness. I feel the prose has been massaged to a point that it is the equal of other Featured Articles, the image has a suitable licence and the referencing is formatted correctly. I will attempt to address any issues highlighted. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 20 Webster, MS Varian CW et al is lacking a journal title, and page numbers and volume and issue number

Otherwise sources look good. Links all checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it. Some formatting glitches. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Remove extra spaces before references per WP:FOOTNOTE, such as at "hatching. [23]" and "hatchlings. [23] Adults". Gary King (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I fixed these, couldn't see any others jimfbleak (talk) 16:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support Comment (note that I reviewed this at GA, so possible CoI)

1. Two alongs and two brightly coloured in the opening sentence (done both)
2. preferring moist grassy areas. It prefers wet, grassy tropical or sub-tropical areas more repetition (gosh, how did I miss that one? done)
3. It is sedentary and locally nomadic, and leaves its territory after breeding season. This is confusing, nomadic, leaves territory, but sedentary?? (tricky - the point i am trying to make is that the species doesn't migrate as such, but that large changes in vegetation cover by season and bushfire cause it to be locally nomadic (move around a bit) in northern Australia, often after breeding. You're welcome to have a play to word it beter or I can tweak later if yuo still find it clunky. either way is cool)

Have a look and see if you are happy with tweak jimfbleak (talk) 10:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes - describes it exactly. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

1. IUCN species page shouldn't be an external link since it is also used as a reference. (done)

jimfbleak (talk) 06:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• "in the fairy-wren family Maluridae." - could this be reworded... perhaps "in the Maluridae family of fairy-wrens"?

(This is the sort of thing that has yo-yo'ed back and forth. Essentially, the Fairy-wren family is the Maluridae and vice versa. I have had it the other way (i.e. the Maluridae fairy-wren family) and been asked to swap it to this way. Saying it over in my head a few times I feel it is emphasised better this way, in essence saying "fairy-wren family (which is known as) Maluridae" )

Hmm... I dunno, it's not as clear to me (or someone who's never heard of Maluridae, etc.) this way. Perhaps if you use a few more words to make it clear that fairy-wren is Maluridae? I dunno... I'm just not a fan of the current wording. giggy _(:O) 23:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, it is worded as simply Maluridae family in 3 other FAs, so I have left it like that as fairy-wren can be linked a bit further down. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

That works. I'll try to get to the rest of it at some stage. giggy _(:O) 10:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• "It is endemic to Australia and can be found near rivers and coastal areas along the northern and eastern coastlines of Australia" - the 2nd Australia could be "the country" or something like that.

(Actually easier just to remove that 2nd one. How'd I miss that one?)

That's just from the lead. giggy _(:O) 10:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Right, you'll get yours thankyou for the constructive comments, keep 'em coming. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• comment Interesting read, nice range map ;), couple of items Gnangarra 10:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

1. the lead with two long paras maybe break it into 3 or 4 for ease of reading. (I need to sleep on this one. Not sure about rearranging as I thought it flowed quite nicely. Am happy to hear ideas on this one)
2. this subspecies section, hybrid from a broad hybrid zone in North Queensland. Here, in an area bounded by the Burdekin, is difficult prose also the sentence starting Here has 6 comma's? (sentence duly split)
3. Also in the predator section why no taxonomical name on goannas when when all other identified predators are? (done)

• • Support Gnangarra 10:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support. There were a few issues which I dealt with myself or discussed on the article's talk page. GrahamColm^Talk 16:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - in the section called Predators and threats - the term threat when refering to a species (as opposed to an individual) usually refers to something that threatens the species (as in it is threatened by habitat loss), not just hazards to individuals. Unless the species listed threaten ths species that should probably be reworded for clarity. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Tricky. I used 'preyed upon' for the second sentence but it does 'run on' from the first bit. Maybe if I just flip them? If that doesn't make it less ambiguous feel free to offer suggestions or have an edit. I could add 'as a whole' after 'species' in the feral cat sntence. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the species as a whole declining or remotely threatened by cats? If so then the sentence is correct. But it still needs some kind of qualification; as the species is listed as least concern and therefore is clearly not threatened by cats very much. If the "biggest threat" isn't actually that much of a threat is it even worth mentioning? Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I reworked it and removed 'threat' wording as - I have found no record of the species as a whole specifically threatened by cats or declining, other than the general problems that cats and foxes cause in Oz. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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