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The article was '''delisted''' by [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] via [[User:FACBot|FACBot]] ([[User talk:FACBot|talk]]) 1:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC) [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Tamils/archive1&diff=697220514&oldid=697220363]. |
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===[[Tamils]]=== |
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I am nominating this featured article for review. The article has been a prime candidate for FAR since 2010 and at that time {{U|Dana boomer}} and I had some discussion on getting this here. However, I didn't follow through on time. We've had posts about some of the problems on the talk page: [[Talk:Tamils/Archive_3#Work_needed|Nov 2010]], [[Talk:Tamils/Archive_3#POV|Oct 2013]], [[Talk:Tamils#Featured Article Review]]. The major issues include (a)quality of sources used within the article, (b)image use -- while copyright vios are a regular concern, the random use of images without context is also a problem (c)Undue weight to certain aspects, including synthesis of information from external sources, (d) some copyvios have been inserted into the article and have stayed in for a while (a deeper check is still needed). I have also started a deeper source evaluation [[User:SpacemanSpiff/Tamils-FARC|here]]; hoping it would be ready by the time we go to FARC. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|< |
I am nominating this featured article for review. The article has been a prime candidate for FAR since 2010 and at that time {{U|Dana boomer}} and I had some discussion on getting this here. However, I didn't follow through on time. We've had posts about some of the problems on the talk page: [[Talk:Tamils/Archive_3#Work_needed|Nov 2010]], [[Talk:Tamils/Archive_3#POV|Oct 2013]], [[Talk:Tamils#Featured Article Review]]. The major issues include (a)quality of sources used within the article, (b)image use -- while copyright vios are a regular concern, the random use of images without context is also a problem (c)Undue weight to certain aspects, including synthesis of information from external sources, (d) some copyvios have been inserted into the article and have stayed in for a while (a deeper check is still needed). I have also started a deeper source evaluation [[User:SpacemanSpiff/Tamils-FARC|here]]; hoping it would be ready by the time we go to FARC. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#BA181F;">Spaceman</span>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#2B18BA;">Spiff</span>]]''' 07:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC) |
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*I was hoping this would get some comments. Personally I don't think this is an easy fix, the history is complex and over the years a lot of unsourced content has been dropped in front of references. There's a lot of OR and POV stuff that's being edit warred over even during this review.—[[User:SpacemanSpiff|< |
*I was hoping this would get some comments. Personally I don't think this is an easy fix, the history is complex and over the years a lot of unsourced content has been dropped in front of references. There's a lot of OR and POV stuff that's being edit warred over even during this review.—[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#BA181F;">Spaceman</span>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#2B18BA;">Spiff</span>]]''' 07:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Move to FARC'''. Sourcing, stability and copyright problems. A couple of years ago, I tried to fix up [[Azerbaijanis]] and eventually gave up after a large amount of work because it proved to be a wasteful time sink. This article appears to be suffering in a similar way, and I doubt it will be possible to fix it through this process. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 20:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
*'''Move to FARC'''. Sourcing, stability and copyright problems. A couple of years ago, I tried to fix up [[Azerbaijanis]] and eventually gave up after a large amount of work because it proved to be a wasteful time sink. This article appears to be suffering in a similar way, and I doubt it will be possible to fix it through this process. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 20:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
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*<s>'''Comment''' Got to know about the FAR just today. Agree, the quality of the article has come down in the recent years. May I ask to kindly allow a reasonable period of time? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">—[[User:Vensatry|< |
*<s>'''Comment''' Got to know about the FAR just today. Agree, the quality of the article has come down in the recent years. May I ask to kindly allow a reasonable period of time? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">—[[User:Vensatry|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Vensatry'''</span>]] <sub> [[User talk:Vensatry|<span style="color:Indigo;">'''(ping)'''</span>]] </sub></span> 06:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)</s> |
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**{{tq|"The [[Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam|Tamil rebels]] in [[Sri Lanka]] reflected some elements of Tamil martial traditions which included worship of fallen heroes ([[Maaveerar Naal]]) and practice of martial suicide. They carried a [[Suicide pill]] around their neck to escape the captivity and torture."}} |
**{{tq|"The [[Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam|Tamil rebels]] in [[Sri Lanka]] reflected some elements of Tamil martial traditions which included worship of fallen heroes ([[Maaveerar Naal]]) and practice of martial suicide. They carried a [[Suicide pill]] around their neck to escape the captivity and torture."}} |
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**{{tq|"A remarkable feature besides to their willingness to sacrifice is, that they were well organized and disciplined. It was forbidden for the rebels to consume [[tobacco]]s, [[alcohol]]s, [[drug]]s and to have sexual relationship."}} |
**{{tq|"A remarkable feature besides to their willingness to sacrifice is, that they were well organized and disciplined. It was forbidden for the rebels to consume [[tobacco]]s, [[alcohol]]s, [[drug]]s and to have sexual relationship."}} |
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*It is really unfortunate as this is a subject that has significant scholarly study, but over the past three to four years the article has become a place to promote fringe perspectives and most editors who've been interested in maintaining this article have simply given up. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|< |
*It is really unfortunate as this is a subject that has significant scholarly study, but over the past three to four years the article has become a place to promote fringe perspectives and most editors who've been interested in maintaining this article have simply given up. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#BA181F;">Spaceman</span>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#2B18BA;">Spiff</span>]]''' 04:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Delist'''. Unsourced statements from February 2011; dead external links from August 2015; apparently unsourced weasel words, such as "what is considered to be folk Hinduism"; mixture of American and British spelling; inclusion of material in the lead that is not found in the article body. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 18:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC) |
*'''Delist'''. Unsourced statements from February 2011; dead external links from August 2015; apparently unsourced weasel words, such as "what is considered to be folk Hinduism"; mixture of American and British spelling; inclusion of material in the lead that is not found in the article body. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 18:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Vensatry}} Any update here? [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 15:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC) |
{{ping|Vensatry}} Any update here? [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 15:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Nikkimaria}} Sorry for the delay in getting back. I don't think I'll be able to repair this article in the given time frame. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">—[[User:Vensatry|< |
:{{re|Nikkimaria}} Sorry for the delay in getting back. I don't think I'll be able to repair this article in the given time frame. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">—[[User:Vensatry|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Vensatry'''</span>]] <sub> [[User talk:Vensatry|<span style="color:Indigo;">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] </sub></span> 08:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC) |
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::Ok I will close it shortly with outstanding issues of deadlinks, unformatted references, more worryingly POV issues that need to be investigated but most of all lack of activity. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC) |
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{{FARClosed|delisted}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC) |
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