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Resolved:

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Northern Ireland flag usage

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Filed: 13:03, August 28 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Padraig (talk · contribs)
Fennessy (talk · contribs)
Derry Boi (talk · contribs)
Astrotrain (talk · contribs)
Biofoundationsoflanguage (talk · contribs)
Ras52 (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Template:UK subdivisions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:World Heritage Sites in the United Kingdom‎ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:Lists of Marilyns (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:United Kingdom constituents and affiliations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Template:British Flags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:NIR (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:Country data Northern Ireland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (loosely)

Additional articles

The basic issues involved stem beyond templates. The following pages are also affected by debate over the use of flags and symbols and most have had revert wars on this issue:

Northern Ireland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Flag of Northern Ireland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of British flags (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
FIFA 08 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Added by: Timrollpickering 12:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Updated by: ELIMINATORJR 12:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-05-20_Lists_of_Marilyns

Issues to be mediated

When constituent countries of the UK are linked in a navigation template, there seems to be a consensus for using some form of image (such as a flag, symbol or icon) next to the countries. The question is what should be used for Northern Ireland, and the three options currently being suggested are the Ulster Banner, a map of N. Ireland, or nothing. Proponents of the Ulster Banner claim it to be the most recognisable icon for NI; opponents say it is not the current N Irish flag by law, as well as being offensive to sections of the population within N Ireland itself.

Additional issues to be mediated

Can the issue be moved to a single place to avoid arguments sweeping across Wikpedia, for example by using a template to include an appropriate NI flag or symbol, and leave the choice of flag or symbol to that template.

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "agree" or "disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed.

Agree. ras52 13:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. padraig 13:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Biofoundationsoflanguage 10:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Fennessy 18:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Derry Boi 08:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Astrotrain 11:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.

Note: To Committee, I recuse from all further activities in this case due to prior exposure and contribution to this dispute. Daniel 00:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Ditto. WjBscribe 18:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: To parties, Dantheman531 (talk) will deal with the general Chair duties on this case. All questions will be answered by him, due to the recusals of myself and WJBscribe in this case.

Accept

For the Mediation Committee, --דניאל - Dantheman531 15:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one, if nobody objects. All involved parties, please add this page to your watchlist. --דניאל - Dantheman531 15:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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 Filed: 13:03, [[August 28]] [[2007]] ([[UTC]])
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 *{{lt|NIR}}
 *{{lt|Country data Northern Ireland}} (loosely)
+====Additional articles====
+The basic issues involved stem beyond templates. The following pages are also affected by debate over the use of flags and symbols and most have had revert wars on this issue:
+*{{la|Northern Ireland}}
+*{{la|Flag of Northern Ireland}}
+*{{la|List of British flags}}
+*{{la|FIFA 08}}
+Added by: [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
+Updated by: <b>[[User talk:EliminatorJR|<span style="color:indigo;">E<small>LIMINATOR</small></span><span style="color:crimson;">JR</span>]]</b> 12:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 ===Other steps in [[Wikipedia:Resolving disputes|dispute resolution]] that have been attempted===
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 ===Issues to be mediated===
-*When [[constituent countries]] of the UK are linked in a navigation template, there seems to be a consensus for using some form of image (such as a flag, symbol or icon) next to the countries.  The question is what should be used for Northern Ireland, and the three options currently being suggested are the [[Ulster Banner]], a map of N. Ireland, or nothing.  Proponents of the Ulster Banner claim it to be the most recognisable icon for NI; opponents say it is offensive, particularly to Irish Republicans.
+*When [[constituent countries]] of the UK are linked in a navigation template, there seems to be a consensus for using some form of image (such as a flag, symbol or icon) next to the countries.  The question is what should be used for Northern Ireland, and the three options currently being suggested are the [[Ulster Banner]], a map of N. Ireland, or nothing.  Proponents of the Ulster Banner claim it to be the most recognisable icon for NI; opponents say it is not the current N Irish flag by law, as well as being offensive to sections of the population within N Ireland itself.
 ===Additional issues to be mediated===
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 #Agree.  [[User:Ras52|ras52]] 13:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 #Agree. [[User:Padraig|padraig]] 13:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
+#Agree. [[User:Biofoundationsoflanguage|Biofoundationsoflanguage]] 10:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
-#
+#Agree. [[User:Fennessy|Fennessy]] 18:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
+#Agree. [[User:Derry Boi|Derry Boi]] 08:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
+#Agree. [[User:Astrotrain|Astrotrain]] 11:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 ===Decision of the Mediation Committee===
 ''A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.''
 :'''Note''': To Committee, I recuse from all further activities in this case due to prior exposure and contribution to this dispute. '''[[User:Daniel|<span style="color:#2E82F4">Daniel</span>]]''' 00:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
+:'''Note''': Ditto. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|scribe]]</span> 18:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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+:'''Note''': To parties, {{user0|Dantheman531}} will deal with the general [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee#Chair|Chair]] duties on this case. All questions will be answered by him, due to the recusals of myself and WJBscribe in this case.
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+:'''Accept'''
+::''For the Mediation Committee,'' --[[User:Dantheman531|דניאל - Danth]]'''[[User talk:Dantheman531|eman531]]''' 15:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
+:::I'll take this one, if nobody objects.  All involved parties, please add this page to your watchlist.  --[[User:Dantheman531|דניאל - Danth]]'''[[User talk:Dantheman531|eman531]]''' 15:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
+{{Closed case/bottom}}