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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. <br>The result of the debate was '''DELETE'''. [[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 23:16, May 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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=== [[Jeffrey W. Parker]] === |
=== [[Jeffrey W. Parker]] === |
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Non-notable family-heavy bio of [[User:Tparker393]]'s pa; principal author is [[User:Rad Racer]], claimed by [[User:205.217.105.2]] (accused sock of the blocked [[User:Iasson]]) as a sock of himself; other two edits are by [[User:159.169.57.3]] and subject's son [[User:Tparker393]], who claims to have authored one of 159's contribs (and is at this moment blocked as a vandal, for trying to hide info on [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Assumption by Russia of the Soviet Union's seat in the United Nations|a troubled VfD page]] about their relationship. Creation may be means of establishing background for sock that is inconsistent with sock-master's background, or just part of giving the sock a month's history (with 16 edit including VfD). (Or maybe someone is ''waiting'' for this to become another battleground.) This nomination is also a '''Del''' vote. --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]~[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 00:00, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
Non-notable family-heavy bio of [[User:Tparker393]]'s pa; principal author is [[User:Rad Racer]], claimed by [[User:205.217.105.2]] (accused sock of the blocked [[User:Iasson]]) as a sock of himself; other two edits are by [[User:159.169.57.3]] and subject's son [[User:Tparker393]], who claims to have authored one of 159's contribs (and is at this moment blocked as a vandal, for trying to hide info on [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Assumption by Russia of the Soviet Union's seat in the United Nations|a troubled VfD page]] about their relationship. Creation may be means of establishing background for sock that is inconsistent with sock-master's background, or just part of giving the sock a month's history (with 16 edit including VfD). (Or maybe someone is ''waiting'' for this to become another battleground.) This nomination is also a '''Del''' vote. --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]~[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 00:00, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Change my vote to neutral'''. [[User:Blankfaze| |
*'''Change my vote to neutral'''. [[User:Blankfaze|<b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b>]] | [[User talk:blankfaze|<b style="font-size:90%;">(что</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b>]] 00:55, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - < |
*'''Delete''' [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - <span style="color:#FF0000;">St</span><span style="color:#FF5500;">ar</span><span style="color:#FF8000;">bli</span><span style="color:#FFC000;">nd</span>]] 01:29, May 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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**'''Comment'''. ''(Warning: humor attempt follows)'' Color me < |
**'''Comment'''. ''(Warning: humor attempt follows)'' Color me <span style="color:#FF0000;">am</span><span style="color:#FF5500;">us</span><span style="color:#FF8000;">e</span><span style="color:#FFC000;">d</span>. Who would have thought that a Virginia Circuit Court judge was less notable than a [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Breadbox|breadbox]]? ''And to be completely fair, the article has undergone a much more than 100% improvement since Starblind's vote.)''--[[User:Unfocused|Unfocused]] 21:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', not notable, possible hoax. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 02:25, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''', not notable, possible hoax. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 02:25, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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**I have been asked to review the article and my vote - sorry although the article does look much better the question of notability still remains. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 06:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
**I have been asked to review the article and my vote - sorry although the article does look much better the question of notability still remains. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 06:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*: --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]~[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 08:05 & 08:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*: --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]~[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 08:05 & 08:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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****Not a sock puppet. See below. Leave the guy alone; he didn't know blanking the page was against policy. [[Wikipedia:Don't bite the newcomers]]. [[User:205.217.105.2|205.217.105.2]] 12:46, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
****Not a sock puppet. See below. Leave the guy alone; he didn't know blanking the page was against policy. [[Wikipedia:Don't bite the newcomers]]. [[User:205.217.105.2|205.217.105.2]] 12:46, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' - not sure that I would call state circuit court judges inherently notable. Depends on the setup of the state government - in my home state of [[Florida]], the circuit courts are near the bottom of the pile. --[[User: |
*'''Comment''' - not sure that I would call state circuit court judges inherently notable. Depends on the setup of the state government - in my home state of [[Florida]], the circuit courts are near the bottom of the pile. --[[User:BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="background: darkgreen; color:#FFC000;"> BD</span><span style="background: green; color:#FFC000;">Abram</span><span style="background: darkgreen; color:#FFC000;">son</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412/deletion debates|<sup><span style="color:DarkGreen;">thi</span><span style="color:red;"><b>m</b></span><span style="color:DarkGreen;">k</span></sup>]] 03:50, 2005 May 10 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' Semi-important public official and community leader. Maybe not as important as [[Alan de Jardin]]... ---[[User:Isaac Rabinovitch|Isaac R]] 03:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' Semi-important public official and community leader. Maybe not as important as [[Alan de Jardin]]... ---[[User:Isaac Rabinovitch|Isaac R]] 03:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*County circuit court judges are NOT inherently notable. Absent any real sign of notability, '''delete'''. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 07:07, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*County circuit court judges are NOT inherently notable. Absent any real sign of notability, '''delete'''. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 07:07, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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**I, too, was asked to reconsider (in my opinion, spam, but whatever), and upon review am '''reaffirming''' my original vote. What was added was not evidence of noteworthiness, but legal trivia (lawcruft?) and it merely strengthens my view that this article is textbook case of vanity. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 01:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', NN. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 08:52, May 10, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''', NN. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 08:52, May 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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**I was asked to reconsider since the article was expanded, but I'm afraid the expansion doesn't make him any more notable, so my vote stands. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 19:25, May 11, 2005 (UTC) |
**I was asked to reconsider since the article was expanded, but I'm afraid the expansion doesn't make him any more notable, so my vote stands. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 19:25, May 11, 2005 (UTC) |
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**'''Comment'''. Just to give an idea of proportion: The ratio of circuit court judges to citizens in [[Fairfax County, Virginia]] is one judge for 55,000 people. A similar ratio is found in [[Prince William County, Virginia]] – 5 circuit court judges for 280,000 people, or 1:56,000. Extrapolating that to a nationwide population of 300 million, that would be about 5,400 judges of comparable notability. So, Stan is right that there have been tens of thousands of judges of comparable notability in the entire history of the U.S. However, it is worth considering that the U.S. population was only 150 million as late as [[1950]], and was only 76 million on [[1900]]. See [http://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/urpop0090.txt]. So, it may not be in the high tens of thousands. And, I am not sure that anyone is contemplating writing an article about all of them. I think this is a borderline case as the article stands now. Perhaps more facts to establish notability will emerge. [[User:24.54.208.177|24.54.208.177]] 01:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
**'''Comment'''. Just to give an idea of proportion: The ratio of circuit court judges to citizens in [[Fairfax County, Virginia]] is one judge for 55,000 people. A similar ratio is found in [[Prince William County, Virginia]] – 5 circuit court judges for 280,000 people, or 1:56,000. Extrapolating that to a nationwide population of 300 million, that would be about 5,400 judges of comparable notability. So, Stan is right that there have been tens of thousands of judges of comparable notability in the entire history of the U.S. However, it is worth considering that the U.S. population was only 150 million as late as [[1950]], and was only 76 million on [[1900]]. See [http://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/urpop0090.txt]. So, it may not be in the high tens of thousands. And, I am not sure that anyone is contemplating writing an article about all of them. I think this is a borderline case as the article stands now. Perhaps more facts to establish notability will emerge. [[User:24.54.208.177|24.54.208.177]] 01:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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***LOL. Yes, by all means, let's get a grip on a sense of proportion here. According to the Fairfox County website [http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/police/animal.htm], there is one '''dog catcher''' per every 41,304 county residents (950,000 divided by 23). Who wants to volunteer to write a Wikipedia article for each one of those dog catchers, mmmm? That's 23 "animal control officers" for us to research. Let's track down all of their sons and invite them to write articles about their dads or moms. Bear in mind that the animal control field requires years of study and preparation, that the officers' kids are very proud of them, and that at least some of those dog catchers must have once been friends with somebody more important than they are, perhaps even a U.S. Senator. --Stan [[User:4.246.120.153|4.246.120.153]] 03:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
***LOL. Yes, by all means, let's get a grip on a sense of proportion here. According to the Fairfox County website [http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/police/animal.htm], there is one '''dog catcher''' per every 41,304 county residents (950,000 divided by 23). Who wants to volunteer to write a Wikipedia article for each one of those dog catchers, mmmm? That's 23 "animal control officers" for us to research. Let's track down all of their sons and invite them to write articles about their dads or moms. Bear in mind that the animal control field requires years of study and preparation, that the officers' kids are very proud of them, and that at least some of those dog catchers must have once been friends with somebody more important than they are, perhaps even a U.S. Senator. --Stan [[User:4.246.120.153|4.246.120.153]] 03:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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****'''Comment''' The dog catcher analogy is poor, unless your dogcatcher authors legal opinions that are used as binding precedent to clarify and define laws and policies that you live under. My dogcatcher does no such thing, so he's not nearly as notable. How many similar articles might be written is conjecture, and conjecture is poor criteria for deciding the merit of any individual article. Compare and contrast this to all the minor candidates from obscure political parties for Congress/Parliament and Executive positions that have articles here: it seems that to run for a Legislative or Executive office and fail is more notable than to actually hold office in the Judiciary. If before I saw this VfD, I were seeking an unbiased view of the Circuit Court judges in my jurisdiction, I would have checked the official government page first, but Wikipedia for a second, NPOV opinion. --[[User:Unfocused|Unfocused]] 03:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*****Au contraire, the dog-catcher analogy is entirely apt. If a judge is notable because he serves 55,000 people within a certain county, then a dog catcher who serves a population of 43,000 within that same county is within the same range of notability. Furthermore, judges are liable to have their decisions overturned by higher authority. Almost always, the dog catcher has the final word. Whether we are judging judges or judging dog catchers, we must ascertain whether the individual is notable ''within his field''. [[Harpo Marx]], for instance, will always be more notable for ''playing'' a dog catcher in [[Duck Soup]] than Jeffrey W. Parker has ever been notable as a judge in real life. One must come to ''understand'' the essentials of notability. The Judge Parker who was the 1904 Democratic nominee for President is notable because, like Harpo playing a dog catcher, he was playing a notable role on a wide stage. According to what has been presented so far, the Judge Parker under discussion here (Jeffrey W. of Fairfax Co. VA) is very important in one small room in Virginia, but has done nothing that makes him especially notable among the 10,000+ people in US history who have been judges. Judge Parker needs to do something '''big''', and he has only a few hours left to do it in. A high-profile case. The solution to the world's biggest crossword puzzle. A cameo on the Howard Stern Show. Something. And fast. C.W.Merchant[[User:C W Merchant|C W Merchant]] 20:03, 14 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' Hey Stan, no one asked you to research anything or write an article about it. Are you trying to mock the situation? I didn't write this article genius, did you see that or are you too busy trying to sound intelligent? Having an opinion is one thing but don't be a jerk- I'm certain that judges on any level go through more schooling and make more critical decisions than dog catchers. Geez, what an idiotic suggestion. 'Friends' with a U.S. Senator? Try former business partners. [[User:Tparker393|Tparker393]] 15:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' Hey Stan, no one asked you to research anything or write an article about it. Are you trying to mock the situation? I didn't write this article genius, did you see that or are you too busy trying to sound intelligent? Having an opinion is one thing but don't be a jerk- I'm certain that judges on any level go through more schooling and make more critical decisions than dog catchers. Geez, what an idiotic suggestion. 'Friends' with a U.S. Senator? Try former business partners. [[User:Tparker393|Tparker393]] 15:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak delete''', vanity, no evidence of independent notability beyond his office. I would change this vote if evidence of individual notability is provided. I agree with Stan, above, on all points. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 20:40, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Weak delete''', vanity, no evidence of independent notability beyond his office. I would change this vote if evidence of individual notability is provided. I agree with Stan, above, on all points. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 20:40, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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**'''Comment''': Since I voted, descriptions of two court cases heard by this judge have been added to the article. Both cases were similar to ones heard by almost every state judge at almost every level. I saw no indication that their consequences or any surrounding controversy rose to nationwide or industry-wide significance. '''No change of vote''', but thanks to that editor for trying to establish fact-based notability instead of repeating stuff about being proud of Dad or insulting VfD voters. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 18:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
**'''Comment''': Since I voted, descriptions of two court cases heard by this judge have been added to the article. Both cases were similar to ones heard by almost every state judge at almost every level. I saw no indication that their consequences or any surrounding controversy rose to nationwide or industry-wide significance. '''No change of vote''', but thanks to that editor for trying to establish fact-based notability instead of repeating stuff about being proud of Dad or insulting VfD voters. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 18:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', even all of the US federal Circuit Court judges are not notable, unless they become involved in high profile cases. We certainly don't need articles on every state judge, unless, he, too, is involved in notable cases. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 21:10, May 10, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''', even all of the US federal Circuit Court judges are not notable, unless they become involved in high profile cases. We certainly don't need articles on every state judge, unless, he, too, is involved in notable cases. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 21:10, May 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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**Ok, that's just empirically wrong. All U.S. Circuit Court judges ''are'' inherently notable (except maybe those who have only served for a year or two). Takes a lot to get to that position - you have to be appointed by the President and approved by the Senate (and there's a lot more wrangling over these appointments than there is over regular District Court judges); and ''all'' U.S. Circuit Court judges are involved in at least some notable cases. --[[User: |
**Ok, that's just empirically wrong. All U.S. Circuit Court judges ''are'' inherently notable (except maybe those who have only served for a year or two). Takes a lot to get to that position - you have to be appointed by the President and approved by the Senate (and there's a lot more wrangling over these appointments than there is over regular District Court judges); and ''all'' U.S. Circuit Court judges are involved in at least some notable cases. --[[User:BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="background: darkgreen; color:#FFC000;"> BD</span><span style="background: green; color:#FFC000;">Abram</span><span style="background: darkgreen; color:#FFC000;">son</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412/deletion debates|<sup><span style="color:DarkGreen;">thi</span><span style="color:red;"><b>m</b></span><span style="color:DarkGreen;">k</span></sup>]] 01:49, 2005 May 11 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' as above - not all judges are encyclopedic. [[User:Cdc|<small>CDC</small>]] [[User talk:Cdc|<small>(talk)</small>]] 21:15, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' as above - not all judges are encyclopedic. [[User:Cdc|<small>CDC</small>]] [[User talk:Cdc|<small>(talk)</small>]] 21:15, 10 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. By the way, anyone know if the article with the title [[Tparker393/Jeffrey W. Parker]] was intended to be in user namespace? --[[User:Tabor|Tabor]] 22:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. By the way, anyone know if the article with the title [[Tparker393/Jeffrey W. Parker]] was intended to be in user namespace? --[[User:Tabor|Tabor]] 22:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Not notable. [[User:Mcfly85|Mcfly85]] 22:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Not notable. [[User:Mcfly85|Mcfly85]] 22:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Non-notable. [[User:Quale|Quale]] 06:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Non-notable. [[User:Quale|Quale]] 06:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. nn.--[[User:Prara|Prem]] 03:17, May 14, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''KEEP'''. A Circuit Court in Virginia has the "power to issue death sentences and empanel grand juries." and that's quoting Wikipedia (See [[Circuit court]]). Any judge overseeing death sentences is notable. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 18:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep.''' I commented above, but didn't vote yet (although I disagree with [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] on "any judge overseeing death sentences", as this would include brand new judges who had never done anything, but merely had the ''power'' to impose such a penalty, while not offering the same automatic inclusion to longstanding judges in states that had no such penalty. However, ''this'' judge is sufficiently notable. --[[User:BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="background: green; color:#FFC000;"> BD2412</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412/deletion debates|<sup><span style="color:DarkGreen;"><b>thi</b></span><span style="color:red;"><b>m</b></span><span style="color:DarkGreen;"><b>k</b></span></sup>]]<small>[[Special:contributions/BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="color:#3399FF;">act</span>]]</small> 23:15, 2005 May 15 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', non-notable vanity page. [[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 01:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC) |
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