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Re: Regionalliga Nord template

Oops, forgot the part about your alphabetising the order. But you don't see three lines still at the end? - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Nein. Hier. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I just realised that the problem can be avoided in Mozilla by decreasing the text size in the browser. It seems Mozilla's default font size is just that little bit larger than that of IE and Opera. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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Frauenfußball-Template

I have done a temporary edit so that there are no |s at the end of the lines when I view it, but these templates look different depending on the font size used by the person viewing it. So, I have been looking at other templates. Very few seem to use the nowrap editing option, presumably because of the variable font size. However, the German football team names look much better with nowrap. So, I propose using nowrap for all the team names. Also, very few use fixed line breaks, br, presumably for the same reason. Most of them seem to use • or · instead of |. I think they look better, but it would be very good if one could specify that the character used for separating articles in the list should not appear if they are at the end or beginning of a line. Also, I think the German football templates ought to have a common style. Have you had any further thoughts? Coyets 14:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Madcynic! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be. Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany | finger on pulse Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board | finger on pulse

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Regionalliga Nord

Hey Madcynic,

thanks for your message, I didn't even know about the clubs from Niedersachsen going to Regionalliga West, seems a bit of a wild one to me, they have always been in the Nord and it would isolate Bremen a bit. I will try to clarify the last map straight away, do you know how to align the maps horizontally rather then vertically, I think it would look better? Kind regards, EA210269 (talk) 12:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks for letting me know, down here in Australia we don't get all that much on German football, only from the internet. But even when I used to live in Bavaria, Niedersachsen seemed a long way away, never been there!!! Can't see any of those clubs liking to have to move across to the West. Anyway, I have tried to make the maps a little clearer and I'm still working on the realignment. See you,EA210269 (talk) 12:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I integrated the maps into the relevant parts of the aricle now, rather then having an extra section. I hope it makes the changes in league structure a little more obvious. If you got any reference about the Niedersachsen controversy, could you let me know? Might be worth adding, too. EA210269 (talk) 13:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The Thüringen bit is a tricky one, as RW Erfurt and Carl Zeiss Jena both have played in the south for a while. Spfr. Siegen has done so too, being from Westfalen. It would start making the map pretty confusing, unless I color Thüringen altogether differently, maybe. EA210269 (talk) 13:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

League System

Hey Madcynic,

I' m not sure which of the two league systems you are talking about but I assume its the 2008-09 one. Its a bit of a dilemma there because in the north, with the Oberliga Nord being abolished, the five Verbandsligas are parallel to the NOFV-Oberligas, below the Regionalliga. But they are still only Verbandsligas and I got a feeling, there will be one or two Oberligas pretty soon again, like there was with Oberliga Niedersachsen/Bremen and Hamburg/Schleswig-Holstein. It would make more sense and would also allow for direct promotion again. Anyway, not my call. Regarding the five Verbandsligas, I think I might just place a footnote and leave them where they are for now, if someone feels its completly wrong they will most certainly change it! Its just a bit of cut and copy. I have actually used those two tables in the German football league system article, have a look for an slightly updated version. In any case, if you wish, you can also write to me in German, I got a basic knowledge of that too, like most Bavarians. Have fun, EA210269 (talk) 03:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to ask, are you happy with the the new maps in the Regionalliga articles? My computer knowledge is somewhat limited, especially when it comes to the paint-program.EA210269 (talk) 05:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Aggreed, lets wait and see, I placed a footnote for now. I guess, the point could be taken to the discussion page of the article to give more people a say. Personally, it doesn't seem right to put, lets say, Verbandsliga Bremen on an equal level to the future Oberliga Nordrhein-Westfalen, not quite the same playing strength, without wanting to hurt Bremen to much!EA210269 (talk) 11:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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DDR-Liga and East German football league system

Thanks for fixing up the articles a bit, it didn't look like anybody had noticed them so far. That dot you removed may be the explanation why I had trouble with some flags in articles lately!!! Caused me a bit of a headache. Oh well, we are all still learning. Regarding the articles themselves, I had the feeling the old DDR leagues deserved a bit more then just being a footnote on the current German leagues. Being from the west however, I havn't got all the inside knowledge, I hope somebody who grew up with the DDR football can add a few more details. It's an interessting part of German sports history! Have fun and all the best,EA210269 (talk) 00:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I created a template, among others, titled Template:East German football and tied it to the East German football articles. If you can see anyway it needs improving, let me know.EA210269 (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

East Germany

You're such a goof. CadenS (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Reference

Yes, I noticed the German wikipedia doesn't believe in telling people where the information came from. I figured we better add a reference to the Regionalliga article to let people know why the 7th placed team qualified for the play-off spot and not number six. Thanks for letting me know, I didn't know about Heeslingen getting knocked back for a licence. Its a long way from Germany, here in Perth! Anyway, have fun, EA210269 (talk) 13:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Teslim Fatusi

It said so on the Nigerian Players external link on that page, which seems to have expired. The entire career history was gathered from there. Maybe it was just a trial? ArtVandelay13 (talk) 16:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It was the following year that that happened, wasn't it? I remember FCM storming to the NOFV-Oberliga title in 2001. By all means remove the references to Magdeburg on his page though - I can't see any Google hits that corroborate him being there, although I don't have a subscription here [1]. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 17:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Title holders

I don't know if you know this but any competition, when the defending champion is eliminated, either mathematically or by an outright elimination, they lose possession of the trophy.

For example...

When Brazil lost to France in the 2006 FIFA World Cup, Brazil were no longer the World Champions as the trophy slipped away from them. The trophy, thus, became vacant.

When Argentina played the World Cup in 1990, Argentina were still the World Champions until the final whistle of that final. It immediately changed to West Germany after the trophy ceremony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSonicx1986 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Tone

Okay, thanks. I thought it might be me; it's difficult to discern tone just by reading. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 13:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Template 3rd Liga

Regarding the second teams, I changed the template because I have created redirect pages for most of the second teams now, hoping that the more successful ones will have there own articles one day. Have fun, EA210269 (talk) 23:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Its a bit unfortunate, that Werder Bremen II, a third division side, does not have its own article already, I find. VfB II and Bayern II, the other two reserve sides in the league, do already. EA210269 (talk) 23:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Good work

Good work on updating all the German league template references. Wiggy! (talk) 02:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New German league names

I've moved a couple of German league pages to new names as their official names seem to have changed. This incidently also solves an earlier discussion we had, whether the northern German leagues, like the Verbandsliga Bremen, should be put on Oberliga level in the 2008-09 league system. Now that they are officially called Oberligas, their position is clear. Have a look and let me know whether you agree with the new league names. For example, Verbandsliga Bremen is now Bremen-Liga, with a redirect from Oberliga Bremen. Have fun, EA210269 (talk) 02:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

There is alot of stuff that currently needs changing due to the considerable changes in the league system, thanks for picking up whatever I missed. Regarding the non-promotion of the Bremen league champion, no club from any of the five northern Verbandsligas was promoted, an unfortunate result of the disbanding of the Oberliga Nord, which, in my opinion, was a grave mistake! Anyway, heaps of work, I'm currently updating all the league templates for the new season.

Regarding the northen Oberliga clubs, I don't think we will be able to create an article for each club anyway, to much work, therefore we don't have to worry about notability all that much anyway. Have fun, EA210269 (talk) 09:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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Regional German Cups

I've made up a template on the 21 regional German Cups, there is only 3 articles so far on them. Of those three, two have a German title, Bayerischer Toto-Pokal (created by me) and Sachsenpokal (created by the one we don't speak about) while one is in English, Saxony-Anhalt Cup (created by you). Any thought on what would be the right approach as to a uniform naming convention? The template I made is in English but I'm open either way. Have fun, let me know what you think, EA210269 (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, English suits me fine, too. I havn't put in a request for more articles. There is a lot of work to be done and information is rather limited. I will go and post moving proposals on the two German-titled articles, see if there is any response. If nobody objects, we can move them in a few days. EA210269 (talk) 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Berlin Cup

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Bundesliga qualifying system

I will expand the section a bit, got to tired last night to continue. The source is a publication by the DSFS (Deutscher Sportclub fuer Fussball Statistik) and it coveres the whole German league football from 1945 from the first to the third tier. Heaps of stuff in there! Anyway, I will expand and add some tables to, if it gets to large it might even have to be its own litle article. Might have to wait till tomorrow, I'm a litle busy today. Have fun, EA210269 (talk) 23:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Done some more work on it, hope it looks better now. Should it become its own article to down-size the Bundesliga one, its a bit large? EA210269 (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

My source still provides a bit more information and there is enough at hand from other sources to expand it. Should I find time to do so, I will properbly make it it's own article, till then I will leave it where it is. However, if you or somebody else can add more a new article is properbly in order. EA210269 (talk) 12:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Streich

It's been something I'd been mneaning to get round to for a while. It's nice to see someone else working on East German football articles. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 16:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Halata

I've had half a mind to create his article for a while, but haven't got round to it - if you beat me to it, that's fine by me. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Gemrman football champions

I'm improving the article it was very messy before and I will edit the other tables to keep the in lie with my changes to the 1991 table. NapHit (talk) 16:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Flagged Revs

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Cătălin Răcănel

If you restrict your Google search to Romanian websites, you'll see some uses of the accented variant: [2]. The other Romanian sites don't use accents not because their authors specifically intended his name not to have them, but because the entire page lacks diacritics -- still a relatively common occurrence on Romanian websites.

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Dynasty (sports) references

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Otherwise, the question becomes what defines a "dynasty". Do two consecutive championships make a dynasty? What about three? What about three in four years? What about two championships, with a runner-up finish between them? And so on. The only way to settle it is that some other reliable source has to call it a dynasty. cmadler (talk) 17:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Because the result, of having one name in the title and the other in the first line, seems useful. We do this quite often; but I will check to emend the rest of the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Fußball-Bundesliga

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Engelmann

Hi, Madcynic. Sorry to bother you like this but I see you are the person to speak to if I have a doubt about DDR players. I´m interested in one in particular: Christian Engelmann. Do you know him? I found out he played in FK Vojvodina somewhere in the 80´s. It´s also mentioned in the german wikipedia here: [4]. Do you know what years? FkpCascais (talk) 04:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanx, I tryied the net too but also didn´t find anything. If you find something about him in the future let me know. Thanx a lot. FkpCascais (talk) 18:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

DFB Cup

Because I hadn't seen the debate and thought it was consistent with the naming of the German Football Association article and use of English - I'm sorry I should have checked the talk page. Please feel free to undo it. At least I've added a new article on a German football club... Gruß. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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Template:Football in East Germany

I have modified the new template and made the old one a redirect, best I can do. The other option would have been a possible edit war over which one to use, not my prefered choice. Have a look at Template:Football in East Germany and see what you think needs modifing. the whole process of creating a new template rather then modifing the old one and possibly moving it to a new name seems rather clumsy, unusual for somebody with a resonable amount of experience, like User:Bogic! Calistemon (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks for your efforts, I couldn't have done that as I was indisposed due to the holidays... Madcynic (talk) 10:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: 1950 German football championship

Sorry! Just trying to standardise the layout of these articles a little as they're a bit of a mess. Feel free to put them back if you think it's better as it was. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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Regionalliga season table templates

Hi there, can you maybe explain the rationale behind using templates for the tables in the 2012-13 Regionalliga article? To me this just makes editing them more difficult as it requires a lot more searching (I have to look up each template and edit it). The templates seem to embody just the normal table code that was used in the article itself before. What is the advantage, I fail to see it. Madcynic (talk) 10:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

You are right. It is harder to update. I saw that the Regionalliga Bayern was done that way and no one seem to object and just continue with the others. I do not know how to delete the templates though. Raul17 (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Regionalliga Nordost relegation

Rule 10 states that if two or more are relegated from the 3.Liga and the champion is not promoted, then bottom three (14-16) are relegated. Eventhough the possibility no longer applies, I would like to keep that in the standings because that was the original possibility before the season. If Leipzig had won promotion & Babelsberg was not relegated, I would have kept Cottbus in the relegation zone with a note explaining why they were not relegated. Thank you 19:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Having the "potential relegation" column even though there is no longer the possibility of relegation is confusing to the casual reader who will ever wonder why on Earth there is no (R) next to Auerbach. We should reflect the final result, and not potential results. --Madcynic (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Somehow I knew that would be your answer. No big deal, but I wish WP stop treating its reader as being dumb. Thanks Raul17 (talk) 21:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd suggest you go talk to people at WP:FOOTBALL, maybe they would follow your opinion rather than mine. I don't intend to be the final judge of things. Madcynic (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It will just be like the 2ªB Group 3 where I said that five teams will be relegated instead of the four & #17 in the qualification playoff and was basicly over-ruled. Thanks Raul17 (talk) 01:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Lars Fuchs assessment

The article is borderline between stub and start class at best. It's well sourced for an article of its length, but in the end it's little more than an infobox and a list of transfers. For a start class article, I would expect to see at least twice as much prose. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

DFB

Hey, yeah the bg thing is done for the different days, not every 2nd match. check the articles from previous years. That hidden message can be added again when someone links to the stadium. Kante4 (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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Season article question

Hi Madcynic, I would propose to correct the sorting of the matchday number. Yes it is wrong to say the match against Osnabrück is on matchday 8, but it definitely could make the table in a better and proper format. Exceptions can be made and this is one of them, as it does not have high importance related to the article. MbahGondrong (talk) 20:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. That would mean sacrificing fact for looks. We could add a footnote to the 7, explaining the match was moved and add an appropriate source. Madcynic (talk) 20:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree with that. MbahGondrong (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

FDGB-Pokal

I did improve the main page : FDGB-Pokal - have a look, now if you can create all the missing seasons, Thanks!--Alexiulian25 (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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