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The result was keep. $Salvio giuliano$ 08:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cannot find any reliable sources that discuss iSketch in-depth. I see brief mentions, and that's it. The one reference in the article doesn't mention iSketch, at all. -- Mike 🗩 17:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There appear to have been a number of sites mentioned in the first AfD from 15+ years ago. All of them I checked seem to be dead. Anyone able to go Internet Archive diving for them? Jclemens (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As mentioned above a number of sites in the previous AFD demonstrated notability, for example CNN Review: The all-star team of online games, PC World: An Online Doodle Dandy, AskMen.com The Best & Coolest Sites Around, also it might be worth searching the PC Magazine archives on archive.org, for example PC Zone WEBGAME of the month Piecesofuk (talk) 16:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I also saw some of these. For me, they mostly fail WP:SIGCOV. The CNN reference and the PC World reference is only one paragraph. AskMen is two sentences. PC Zone would qualify, I think, but that is still only one reference with significant coverage. -- Mike 🗩 20:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really see much difference between the CNN and PC Zone sources: here's the CNN source as published in PC World (January 2002) https://eds.s.ebscohost.com/eds/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=1&sid=bd9a9c53-25f7-408f-aedc-9f4ace0d54e5%40redis Here's a couple more mini reviews from the Evening Herald (Dublin) - Wednesday 18 April 2001 and the Irish Independent - Monday 11 September 2000 Piecesofuk (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I looked through the references and I think there's enough information about the game to rewrite the article in a more encyclopedic fashion using said sources. I think when determining WP:SIGCOV we should always consider if the amount of information extracted from all the sources involving the subject would be enough to write a decently sized article about it, as opposed to a permastub. Given these sources, I believe it meets GNG. PantheonRadiance (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. I'm not in love with the quality of sourcing, but it's not disqualifying. Also, this source [1]. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There aren't a *lot* of surviving sources, but they're clearly reliable and have sufficient context. Jordan117 (talk) 08:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Cannot find any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that discuss iSketch in-depth. I see brief mentions, and that's it. The one reference in the article doesn't mention iSketch, at all. -- <span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#3366cc;font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Darth Mike|<b style="color:white">'''''Mike'''''</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Darth Mike|<b style="color:white">🗩</b>]]</span> 17:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Entertainment|Entertainment]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Games|Games]],  and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Websites|Websites]]. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 18:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)</small>
 *'''Comment''' There appear to have been a number of sites mentioned in the first AfD from 15+ years ago. All of them I checked seem to be dead. Anyone able to go Internet Archive diving for them? [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 18:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
-*:* [http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/12/26/game.all.stars.idg/index.html CNN]
-*:* [https://web.archive.org/web/20051023204406/http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1812p177id32201.htm PC World]
-*:* [https://web.archive.org/web/20070929091444/http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/36913/Site_of_the_Nite_iSketch.html G4]
-*:* [https://web.archive.org/web/20010405162213/https://www.askmen.com/cool_site/2001_mar/mar21.html AskMen.com]
-*:[[User:Brunnock|Sean Brunnock]] ([[User talk:Brunnock|talk]]) 16:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' As mentioned above a number of sites in the previous AFD demonstrated notability, for example [https://web.archive.org/web/20080603233208/http://archives.cnn.com:80/2001/TECH/ptech/12/26/game.all.stars.idg/index.html CNN Review: The all-star team of online games], PC World: [https://web.archive.org/web/20090429050235/http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1812p177id32201.htm An Online Doodle Dandy], AskMen.com [https://web.archive.org/web/20080724120507/http://www.askmen.com:80/cool_site/2001_mar/mar21.html The Best & Coolest Sites Around], also it might be worth searching the PC Magazine archives on archive.org, for example PC Zone [https://archive.org/details/PC_Zone_133_October_2003/page/n94/mode/1up?q=isketch WEBGAME of the month] [[User:Piecesofuk|Piecesofuk]] ([[User talk:Piecesofuk|talk]]) 16:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
+:*'''Comment''': I also saw some of these. For me, they mostly fail [[WP:SIGCOV]]. The CNN reference and the PC World reference is only one paragraph. AskMen is two sentences. PC Zone would qualify, I think, but that is still only one reference with significant coverage. -- <span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#3366cc;font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Darth Mike|<b style="color:white">'''''Mike'''''</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Darth Mike|<b style="color:white">🗩</b>]]</span> 20:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
+:*:I don't really see much difference between the CNN and PC Zone sources: here's the CNN source as published in PC World (January 2002) https://eds.s.ebscohost.com/eds/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=1&sid=bd9a9c53-25f7-408f-aedc-9f4ace0d54e5%40redis Here's a couple more mini reviews from the [https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001730/20010418/336/0053 Evening Herald (Dublin) - Wednesday 18 April 2001]  and the [https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001715/20000911/188/0017 Irish Independent - Monday 11 September 2000]  [[User:Piecesofuk|Piecesofuk]] ([[User talk:Piecesofuk|talk]]) 09:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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+*'''Keep''' - I looked through the references and I think there's enough information about the game to rewrite the article in a more encyclopedic fashion using said sources. I think when determining WP:SIGCOV we should always consider if the amount of information extracted from all the sources involving the subject would be enough to write a decently sized article about it, as opposed to a permastub. Given these sources, I believe it meets GNG. [[User:PantheonRadiance|PantheonRadiance]] ([[User talk:PantheonRadiance|talk]]) 23:00, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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+:'''Weak Keep'''. I'm not in love with the quality of sourcing, but it's not disqualifying. Also, this source [https://www.eurogamer.net/article-29849]. - [[User:MsDusa|Whadup, it&#39;s ya girl, Dusa]] ([[User talk:MsDusa|talk]]) 21:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' There aren't a *lot* of surviving sources, but they're clearly reliable and have sufficient context. [[User:Jordan117|Jordan117]] ([[User talk:Jordan117|talk]]) 08:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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