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Some [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]s have formed a task force to better organize information in biographical articles of [[baseball]] players. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this task force will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].
Some [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]s have formed a task force to better organize information in biographical articles of [[baseball]] players. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this task force will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].


'''''Note:''' This task is still at a very early stage. Contributions and suggestions in any area are more than welcome.''
'''''Note:''' This task is still at a very early stage. Contributions and suggestions in any area are more than welcome.''


==Article Improvement Drive==
==Article Improvement Drive==
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===Active===
===Active===
;A-C
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* [[user:Alexsautographs|Alexsautographs]] writes lots of articles. His most recent article: [[Cecil Coombs]].
* [[user:Alexsautographs|Alexsautographs]] writes lots of articles.
* [[user:amazinVenezuelan|AmazinVenezuelan]]
* [[user:amazinVenezuelan|AmazinVenezuelan]]
* [[User:Aranda56|Aranda56]] occasionally creates an article on a retired baseball player.
* [[User:Aranda56|Aranda56]] occasionally creates an article on a retired baseball player.
* [[user:AtomicXYC|AtomicXYC]] is writing articles on the forgotten players, especially [[Boston Red Sox]]. Newsletter editor.
* [[User:Bookworm1|Bookworm1]] is working on current NL East players, beginning with the [[Washington Nationals]] and the [[Atlanta Braves]].
* [[User:Bookworm1|Bookworm1]] is working on current NL East players, beginning with the [[Washington Nationals]] and the [[Atlanta Braves]].
* [[User:Branson03|Branson03]]
* [[User:Branson03|Branson03]]
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* [[User:Cs-wolves|Cs-wolves]] will help with career statistics, and on players & teams.
* [[User:Cs-wolves|Cs-wolves]] will help with career statistics, and on players & teams.
;D-F
;D-F
* [[User:Dan027]] Australian players(MLB and [[Australian Baseball League|ABL]]
* [[User:Dan027]] Australian players(MLB and [[Australian Baseball League (1989-1999)|ABL]]
* [[User:Dewelar|Dewelar]] Creating player articles and adding player information to team-season articles as part of overall team-season article standardization project
* [[User:Dewelar|Dewelar]] Creating player articles and adding player information to team-season articles as part of overall team-season article standardization project
* [[User:Disneyfreak96|Disneyfreak96]] is working on bring [[Barry Bonds]] up to GA status
* [[User:Disneyfreak96|Disneyfreak96]] is working on bring [[Barry Bonds]] up to GA status
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* [[User:Gavindow|gavindow]] is helping out sporadically.
* [[User:Gavindow|gavindow]] is helping out sporadically.
* [[User:Geopipp|geopipp]] is helping out with what needs doing
* [[User:Geopipp|Geopipp]] is helping out with what needs doing
* [[User:Googie_man|Googie Man]] is working on uploading pictures of current MLB stars, and will work in the future on retired players.
* [[User:Googie_man|Googie Man]] is working on uploading pictures of current MLB stars, and will work in the future on retired players.
* [[User:Goatenthal|Goatenthal]] is adding images/infoboxes and updating articles after transactions.
* [[User:Halvorsen brian|Brian Halvorsen]] is working on '''everything.'''
* [[User:Halvorsen brian|Brian Halvorsen]] is working on '''everything.'''
*[[User:Iceberg584|Iceberg584]] is working on past and present Atlanta Braves.
*[[User:Iceberg584|Iceberg584]] is working on past and present Atlanta Braves.
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* [[User:Jackson070792]] is looking through his baseball cards and searching if people have pages, and, if not, creating them.
* [[User:Jackson070792]] is looking through his baseball cards and searching if people have pages, and, if not, creating them.
*[[User:Jj137|jj137]] is working on adding infoboxes to all retired MLB player articles.
*[[User:Jj137|jj137]] is working on adding infoboxes to all retired MLB player articles.
*[[User:Jz2016cubs|Jake Z.]] will work on present day baseball or anything Cubs. I like to write articles (though they aren't top notch) and find information on the web, whether it be a picture, video, etc!
*[[User:KApplebaum|Kathy A.]] is working on pre-1920 baseball players. Also stub sorting and categorizing players in general, and vandalism patrol. (I'd love help on this!)
*[[User:KApplebaum|Kathy A.]] is working on pre-1920 baseball players. Also stub sorting and categorizing players in general, and vandalism patrol. (I'd love help on this!)
* [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] is working on standardization, World Series history, All-star game history, and milestones.
* [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] is working on standardization, World Series history, All-star game history, and milestones.
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* [[User:kjbopp|kjbopp]] is working on World Series pages - adding Offical Program images, statistics, and main text where needed. Also attempting to secure uniformity down throughout all pages.
* [[User:kjbopp|kjbopp]] is working on World Series pages - adding Offical Program images, statistics, and main text where needed. Also attempting to secure uniformity down throughout all pages.
;M-O
;M-O
* [[User:main man1999|main man1999]] I will work on anything in present day major league baseball.
* [[User:Maple Leaf|Maple Leaf]] joined the project after working on the [[Hank Aaron]] article. Currently, he is adding transactions such as free agent signings and trades to the various season articles of the 80's and 90's.
* [[User:Maple Leaf|Maple Leaf]] joined the project after working on the [[Hank Aaron]] article. Currently, he is adding transactions such as free agent signings and trades to the various season articles of the 80's and 90's.
* [[User:Masonpatriot|Masonpatriot]] is currently working on retired player infoboxes and league leaders (lists, stubs and succession boxes).
* [[User:Masonpatriot|Masonpatriot]] is currently working on retired player infoboxes and league leaders (lists, stubs and succession boxes).
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*[[User:Sanfranman59|SanFranMan59]] - Working on Cleveland Indians player articles
*[[User:Sanfranman59|SanFranMan59]] - Working on Cleveland Indians player articles
*[[User:SERSeanCrane|SERSeanCrane]] - Images, [[New York Mets]]
*[[User:SERSeanCrane|SERSeanCrane]] - Images, [[New York Mets]]
* [[User:SFGiants|ςפקι]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">Д</font>]][[User:SFGiants|Иτς]] [[User_talk:SFGiants|☺]] [[Special:Contributions:SFGiants|☻]] <s>is working on adding templates to retired players</s> is working on current NL West players, starting with (of course) the Giants.
* [[User:SFGiants|ςפקι]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">Д</span>]][[User:SFGiants|Иτς]] [[User_talk:SFGiants|☺]] [[Special:Contributions:SFGiants|☻]] <s>is working on adding templates to retired players</s> is working on current NL West players, starting with (of course) the Giants.
*[[User|Sholom]] works on players from [[Washington Nationals]] (in particular, those making big league debuts), and also occasionally adds/updates bios for obscure and/or retired players, trying to give them their due.
*{{user|Soxrock}} Work on making all articles consistent to so some extent, along with doing everything else on my laundry list
*{{user|Soxrock}} Work on making all articles consistent to so some extent, along with doing everything else on my laundry list
* [[User:Stormtracker94|<font face="Chiller" size="3.0" color="RED"> STORMTRACKER</font>]] [[User talk:Stormtracker94|<font face="Chiller" size="4.0" color="Orange"> ''94''</font>]] Any player. I'll help with expansion and sources also.
* [[User:Stormtracker94|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:medium; color:RED;"> STORMTRACKER</span>]] [[User talk:Stormtracker94|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:large; color:Orange;"> ''94''</span>]] Any player. I'll help with expansion and sources also.
*{{user|StormXor}} [[San Francisco Giants]] player pages
*{{user|StormXor}} [[San Francisco Giants]] player pages
*[[User:Street20|Street20]] is working on adding templates and creating articles.
*[[User:Street20|Street20]] is working on adding templates and creating articles.
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* [[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]]- I'll concentrate on infoboxes, article creation, stuff of that nature.
* [[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]]- I'll concentrate on infoboxes, article creation, stuff of that nature.
* [[User:Wknight94|Wknight94]]: I've actually been working on baseball bios this whole time - I just didn't mention it here. My latest effort is [[Fred Clarke]] (and is slow going).
* [[User:Wxthewx99|Wxthewx99]] is expanding bios, creating new player pages, and is helping where he can.
* [[User:Wxthewx99|Wxthewx99]] is expanding bios, creating new player pages, and is helping where he can.


===Inactive===
===Inactive===
*[[User:Android79|android]]
*[[User:Android79|android]]
*[[User:Colin Kimbrell|Colin Kimbrell]]
*[[User:Colin Kimbrell|Colin Kimbrell]]
*[[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]]
*[[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]]
*[[User:Mikedk9109|'''<span style="background:Black; color:White"> &nbsp;Mikedk9109&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Mikedk9109|<span style="background:Black; color:Green">&nbsp;'''(talk)'''&nbsp;</span>]]<s>working on Cleveland Indians players</s> finished Cleveland Indians players
*[[User:Mikedk9109|'''<span style="background:Black; color:White"> &nbsp;Mikedk9109&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Mikedk9109|<span style="background:Black; color:Green">&nbsp;'''(talk)'''&nbsp;</span>]]<s>working on Cleveland Indians players</s> finished Cleveland Indians players
[[User:Mtrash]]
[[User:Mtrash]]
*[[User:Siroxo| ]]&mdash;[[User:Siroxo|<font color=#627562>siro</font>]][[User talk:Siroxo|<font color=#627562>''χ''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Siroxo|<font color=#627562>o</font>]]
*[[User:Siroxo| ]]&mdash;[[User:Siroxo|<span style="color:#627562;">siro</span>]][[User talk:Siroxo|<span style="color:#627562;">''χ''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Siroxo|<span style="color:#627562;">o</span>]]
*{{user|Tecmobowl}} - banned user
*{{user|Tecmobowl}} - banned user
*[[User:Varitek|Varitek]]
*[[User:Varitek|Varitek]]
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===Images===
===Images===
Preferably, photographs of players should be either [[public domain]] or released under the [[GFDL]] license. The source of the photograph must be displayed.
Preferably, photographs of players should be either [[public domain]] or released under a [[free license]]. The source of the photograph must be displayed.


====Public Domain Images====
====Public Domain Images====
In the United States, works are public domain if they were created prior to 1923. If an image is in the public domain, it should be uploaded to [[Wikimedia Commons]] rather than Wikipedia.
In the United States, works are public domain if they were created prior to 1923. If an image is in the public domain, it should be uploaded to [[Wikimedia Commons]] rather than Wikipedia.


====GFDL Images====
====Freely licensed images====
If a person photographs a baseball player, that person can offer the image under the GFDL license.
If a person photographs a baseball player, that person can offer the image under a [[free license]].


====Fair Use====
====Fair use====
Wikipedia has a [[Wikipedia:Non-free content | fair use policy]]. The Wikipedia fair use policy does not necessarily parallel the actual law with respect to fair use due to policy considerations as to the goals of Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has a [[Wikipedia:Non-free content | fair use policy]]. The Wikipedia fair use policy does not necessarily parallel the actual law with respect to fair use due to policy considerations as to the goals of Wikipedia.


The Wikimedia policy discourages use of photographs of living people under the rationale that the preference is to have a GFDL image of the person, and it should be relatively easy to obtain a photograph of that person. However, if a person is deceased, then, since it is no longer possible to obtain a picture of that person, then it is acceptable fair use to use a photograph of a person.
The Wikimedia policy discourages use of photographs of living people under the rationale that the preference is to have a freely licensed image of the person, and it should be relatively easy to obtain a photograph of that person. However, if a person is deceased, then, since it is no longer possible to obtain a picture of that person, then it is acceptable fair use to use a photograph of a person.


For deceased baseball players, there are a variety of sources for photographs, included the MLB Hall of Fame. For active baseball players, it is possible to obtain photographs of that player. For those players that are no longer active in baseball but are living, then it is difficult under the current Wikipedia policy to obtain an acceptable image of that person.
For deceased baseball players, there are a variety of sources for photographs, included the MLB Hall of Fame. For active baseball players, it is possible to obtain photographs of that player. For those players that are no longer active in baseball but are living, then it is difficult under the current Wikipedia policy to obtain an acceptable image of that person.
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[[Category:WikiProject Baseball|Players]]


[[Category:WikiProject Baseball subprojects and task forces|Players]]
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Latest revision as of 08:22, 27 February 2023

Some Wikipedians have formed a task force to better organize information in biographical articles of baseball players. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this task force will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page.

Note: This task is still at a very early stage. Contributions and suggestions in any area are more than welcome.

Article Improvement Drive

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We now have a new Article Improvement Drive to improve all baseball articles to featured status. Click here to participate.

Templates

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What to type What it makes What it's for
{{Infobox baseball biography}}
Talk
WikiProject Baseball/Players
is an infobox template to be added to any MLB player's article.
{{WikiProject Baseball}}
Talk
WikiProject iconBaseball Unassessed
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Baseball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of baseball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
???This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Added to the talk page of all baseball related pages.
{{Portal}}
Talk
Add this to the bottom of a page, right before the categories listing, to show a standardized link to the Baseball portal.
{{Baseballstats}}
Talk
Add the page ID's after the equals sign to properly direct the links that you desire to have. If you do not specify an ID, the site will not be shown.

Scope

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This task force aims to increase the quality and quantity of Wikipedia's coverage of professional baseball players, focusing primarily on Major League Baseball. If there is interest, the scope may be widened to include, for example, Nippon Professional Baseball players.

Goals

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  1. To define a set of useful infobox templates
  2. To define a set of style guidelines for biographical, professional, and statistical information included in main article text
  3. To apply the style guidelines and appropriate template to all existing biographical articles of baseball players
  4. To create biographical articles for ballplayers who don't yet have them
  5. If deemed necessary, to develop a set of inclusion criteria for Major League Baseball players

How to help

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This is a brief and incomplete list of the numerous tasks that the project has ahead of it. Pitch in where you can.

Article creation

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  • Go through the 67 team all-time rosters and create articles for the remaining redlinks (or create one of the 27 all-time rosters that is still needed).

Templates/Infoboxes

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Stub sorting

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  • Review the player articles that use the generic {{Baseball-stub}} (link) template and sort them by position and/or nationality as needed.

Add images

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Tools

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You can find articles on Baseball Players here:

Participants

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Active

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A-C
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G-I
  • gavindow is helping out sporadically.
  • Geopipp is helping out with what needs doing
  • Googie Man is working on uploading pictures of current MLB stars, and will work in the future on retired players.
  • Goatenthal is adding images/infoboxes and updating articles after transactions.
  • Brian Halvorsen is working on everything.
  • Iceberg584 is working on past and present Atlanta Braves.
J-L
  • User:Jackson070792 is looking through his baseball cards and searching if people have pages, and, if not, creating them.
  • jj137 is working on adding infoboxes to all retired MLB player articles.
  • Jake Z. will work on present day baseball or anything Cubs. I like to write articles (though they aren't top notch) and find information on the web, whether it be a picture, video, etc!
  • Kathy A. is working on pre-1920 baseball players. Also stub sorting and categorizing players in general, and vandalism patrol. (I'd love help on this!)
  • Kingturtle is working on standardization, World Series history, All-star game history, and milestones.
  • Kithira is adding in-line citations to baseball player articles.
  • kjbopp is working on World Series pages - adding Offical Program images, statistics, and main text where needed. Also attempting to secure uniformity down throughout all pages.
M-O
  • main man1999 I will work on anything in present day major league baseball.
  • Maple Leaf joined the project after working on the Hank Aaron article. Currently, he is adding transactions such as free agent signings and trades to the various season articles of the 80's and 90's.
  • Masonpatriot is currently working on retired player infoboxes and league leaders (lists, stubs and succession boxes).
  • Matt91486 will continue to create short articles on former Twins player, but at his usual leisurely pace.
  • Meegs is working, but lacks focus.
  • Michael Greiner has just joined the project after creating Andy Cannizaro article.
  • Mickcullen is working on creating at least a stub entry for every former Chicago Cub who does not already have a Wikipedia entry.
  • Mattingly23 is working assessing baseball articles.
  • Neonblak works mainly with 19th century ballplayers and teams.
  • Nishkid64 will help with adding MLB player infoboxes to currently active players, going from team to team. He also will help with add infoboxes for retired MLB players, and also getting images for current players.
P-R
S-U
V-Z
  • Wizardman- I'll concentrate on infoboxes, article creation, stuff of that nature.
  • Wxthewx99 is expanding bios, creating new player pages, and is helping where he can.

Inactive

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User:Mtrash

Structure

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See the project's talk page for more information.

Resources

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Here are some resources that can be referenced (or directly used, if in public domain) when creating or improving the quality of baseball players' articles:

Statistical information

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Biographical information

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Images

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Preferably, photographs of players should be either public domain or released under a free license. The source of the photograph must be displayed.

Public Domain Images

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In the United States, works are public domain if they were created prior to 1923. If an image is in the public domain, it should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons rather than Wikipedia.

Freely licensed images

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If a person photographs a baseball player, that person can offer the image under a free license.

Fair use

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Wikipedia has a fair use policy. The Wikipedia fair use policy does not necessarily parallel the actual law with respect to fair use due to policy considerations as to the goals of Wikipedia.

The Wikimedia policy discourages use of photographs of living people under the rationale that the preference is to have a freely licensed image of the person, and it should be relatively easy to obtain a photograph of that person. However, if a person is deceased, then, since it is no longer possible to obtain a picture of that person, then it is acceptable fair use to use a photograph of a person.

For deceased baseball players, there are a variety of sources for photographs, included the MLB Hall of Fame. For active baseball players, it is possible to obtain photographs of that player. For those players that are no longer active in baseball but are living, then it is difficult under the current Wikipedia policy to obtain an acceptable image of that person.

Sources

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  • Library of Congress--General Collection has many photographs of baseball players. These photographs are generally in the public domain or the copyright holder has granted liberal use of the photographs.
  • The Library of Congress Baseball Cards - 2,100 early baseball cards dating from 1887 to 1914 (all should be in public domain in US)
  • NYPL Digital Library (check copyright info before using)
  • Chicago Daily News Has photographs from 1902 to 1933, including numerous baseball players and some Negro League players. Many photographs are in the public domain. For those photographs not in the public domain, the Chicago Historical Society encourages use of the photographs under the United States fair use laws.
  • MLB Hall of Fame has many photographs of players. Under the current Wikipedia fair use policy, the use of photographs of living persons is not preferred, and thus the photograph may be deleted. However, there are numerous photographs of deceased baseball players which would be acceptable under the current Wikipedia poliy. The web site's usage policy states, "Except as expressly prohibited on this Web site, you are permitted to view, copy, and print documents within this Web site (such as FAQs, papers, datasheets, and so on), subject to your agreement that all of the following conditions are met: 1. Your use of the information is for informational, personal, and noncommercial purposes only. 2. You will not modify the documents or graphics. 3. You will not copy or distribute graphics separate from their accompanying text and you will not quote materials out of their context. 4. You will display the above copyright notice on all documents or portions of documents and retain any other copyright and other proprietary notices on any copy you make. 5. You agree that the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum may revoke this permission at any time and you shall immediately stop your activities related to this permission upon notice from the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum."
  • Flickr - users can copyright their photos using the Creative Commons licenses. The ones that should be used in Wikipedia are licensed "Attribution 2.0", or "Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0". This link is set to search for these photos only, however you need to check each one you upload to see which license it uses. Look under the "Additional Information" section of the photo's page to find its license. Tag the photo with either {{cc-by-2.0}} ("Attribution 2.0") or {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} ("Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0").
  • Negro League Baseball Museum Photo Collection. The usage policy states, "Written materials, art work and photography on this site are copyrighted by the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, other writers, photographers, and organizations. Materials on these pages may be distributed and duplicated if unchanged in format and content."

Other

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Userbox

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