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The result was '''redirect to [[Foxit Reader]]'''. [[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 05:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC) |
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*<s>'''Weak Delete'''</s> There are a couple of articles in Chinese that mention the company ([http://pcedu.pconline.com.cn/407/4074757.html] and [http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20131219/11394700.html]). This first seems press release-y. The second one also seems somewhat like a press release, though it discusses some kind of award for one of their products, Foxit Reader, but I'm not sure that it's a particularly important award. There is [http://www.mbda.gov/node/1002 a listing from MBDA] showing the company won an award for being a "Minority Global Technology Firm" award-- though it tied with another organization. I might be inclined to support keeping the article if there is some more substantial coverage of the company itself. [[User:I JethroBT|<span style="color:green; font-family:Candara;"><b>I, JethroBT</b></span>]][[User talk:I JethroBT| <sup>drop me a line</sup>]] 23:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong Keep''' Their product [[Foxit Reader]] is fairly well known. Here are some articles in Chinese on Foxit, in addition to what user (I JethroBT) provided. [http://www.weste.net/2013/8-26/93359.html] [http://cio.it168.com/a2013/0715/1507/000001507600.shtml] [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IoSyskevNHIJ:news.xinhuanet.com/info/2013-08/30/c_132677724_2.htm+&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us] [http://pcedu.pconline.com.cn/338/3389992.html]. Note that the first 3 is about the central Chinese government choosing Foxit software as the designated pdf software provider. The 4th is like a press release, but it also corroborates the fact that the Chinese government procured Foxit Reader from Foxit software. Note that the 3rd one is from Xinhua, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese government. Too bad that the Xinhua website is down for me, so I couldn't get the article, only the google cached version.<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.199.240.133|108.199.240.133]] ([[User talk:108.199.240.133|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
*'''Strong Keep''' Their product [[Foxit Reader]] is fairly well known. Here are some articles in Chinese on Foxit, in addition to what user (I JethroBT) provided. [http://www.weste.net/2013/8-26/93359.html] [http://cio.it168.com/a2013/0715/1507/000001507600.shtml] [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IoSyskevNHIJ:news.xinhuanet.com/info/2013-08/30/c_132677724_2.htm+&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us] [http://pcedu.pconline.com.cn/338/3389992.html]. Note that the first 3 is about the central Chinese government choosing Foxit software as the designated pdf software provider. The 4th is like a press release, but it also corroborates the fact that the Chinese government procured Foxit Reader from Foxit software. Note that the 3rd one is from Xinhua, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese government. Too bad that the Xinhua website is down for me, so I couldn't get the article, only the google cached version.<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.199.240.133|108.199.240.133]] ([[User talk:108.199.240.133|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Keep''' - Satisfies [[WP:GNG]] with these articles that represent significant coverage from independent and seemingly reliable sources (if someone wants to call them not-reliable, they'll need to back that up): [http://www.neowin.net/news/foxit-reader-6121224][http://www.techcentral.ie/foxit-reader-portable-6-1-2/][http://soft.zol.com.cn/409/4099993.html][http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20131227/11454422.html]. "No indication of notability" isn't a reason for deletion at [[WP:AFD]] which has been clearly explained at [[WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. Simply doing a [https://www.google.com/search?q=Foxit&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=FYvLUtiVDaKc2QXY7ID4Cw&ved=0CA0Q_AUoAA&biw=1920&bih=964 Google News search for Foxit] produced all of these articles. Maybe these references can be disputed when it comes to establishing notability but did any delete !votes even check before !voting? These were as easy to find as it comes. If you found no references, it helps the discussion to show what searches you did that resulted in no references. Otherwise, your !vote is baseless and not very useful. '''[[User:OlYeller21|< |
*'''Keep''' - Satisfies [[WP:GNG]] with these articles that represent significant coverage from independent and seemingly reliable sources (if someone wants to call them not-reliable, they'll need to back that up): [http://www.neowin.net/news/foxit-reader-6121224][http://www.techcentral.ie/foxit-reader-portable-6-1-2/][http://soft.zol.com.cn/409/4099993.html][http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20131227/11454422.html]. "No indication of notability" isn't a reason for deletion at [[WP:AFD]] which has been clearly explained at [[WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. Simply doing a [https://www.google.com/search?q=Foxit&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=FYvLUtiVDaKc2QXY7ID4Cw&ved=0CA0Q_AUoAA&biw=1920&bih=964 Google News search for Foxit] produced all of these articles. Maybe these references can be disputed when it comes to establishing notability but did any delete !votes even check before !voting? These were as easy to find as it comes. If you found no references, it helps the discussion to show what searches you did that resulted in no references. Otherwise, your !vote is baseless and not very useful. '''[[User:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Ol<span style="color:#FBB117;">Yeller21</span></span>]]'''[[User_talk:OlYeller21|<sup style="color:#827839;">Talktome</sup>]] 05:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|OlYeller21}} These sources provide coverage of the product [[Foxit Reader]], for which we already have an article; they do not provide [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] about the company. Furthermore, [[WP:NOTINHERITED|not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable]]. [[User:I JethroBT|< |
::{{ping|OlYeller21}} These sources provide coverage of the product [[Foxit Reader]], for which we already have an article; they do not provide [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] about the company. Furthermore, [[WP:NOTINHERITED|not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable]]. [[User:I JethroBT|<span style="color:green; font-family:Candara;"><b>I, JethroBT</b></span>]][[User talk:I JethroBT| <sup>drop me a line</sup>]] 05:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. '''[[User:OlYeller21|< |
:::Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. '''[[User:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Ol<span style="color:#FBB117;">Yeller21</span></span>]]'''[[User_talk:OlYeller21|<sup style="color:#827839;">Talktome</sup>]] 07:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::'''Comment'''. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to [[Foxit Reader]] should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
::::'''Comment'''. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to [[Foxit Reader]] should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::'''Redirect to [[Foxit Reader]]''' per {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. [[User:I JethroBT|< |
:::::'''Redirect to [[Foxit Reader]]''' per {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. [[User:I JethroBT|<span style="color:green; font-family:Candara;"><b>I, JethroBT</b></span>]][[User talk:I JethroBT| <sup>drop me a line</sup>]] 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::But it is only lack of english coverage though. In Chinese media, there are plenty of mention as shown by the link I have given above. I understand not all people could read Chinese, but a simple google translate can verify what I said. Here are some more news links to verify. All in first page of baidu search. [http://news.cnr.cn/kjxw/internet/201308/t20130827_513430623.shtml][http://it.chinabyte.com/48/12650048.shtml][http://it.chinabyte.com/377/12646377.shtml][http://sh.sohu.com/20130614/n378813629.shtml][http://tech.hexun.com/2013-05-23/154430986.html][http://mouse.it168.com/a2013/0808/1518/000001518711.shtml] By the way, these articles are all about the company, and not the software. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.199.240.133|108.199.240.133]] ([[User talk:108.199.240.133|talk]]) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
::::::But it is only lack of english coverage though. In Chinese media, there are plenty of mention as shown by the link I have given above. I understand not all people could read Chinese, but a simple google translate can verify what I said. Here are some more news links to verify. All in first page of baidu search. [http://news.cnr.cn/kjxw/internet/201308/t20130827_513430623.shtml][http://it.chinabyte.com/48/12650048.shtml][http://it.chinabyte.com/377/12646377.shtml][http://sh.sohu.com/20130614/n378813629.shtml][http://tech.hexun.com/2013-05-23/154430986.html][http://mouse.it168.com/a2013/0808/1518/000001518711.shtml] By the way, these articles are all about the company, and not the software. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.199.240.133|108.199.240.133]] ([[User talk:108.199.240.133|talk]]) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The result was redirect to Foxit Reader. Guerillero | My Talk 05:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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No indication of notability; the only reference in the article is self-published. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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Weak DeleteThere are a couple of articles in Chinese that mention the company ([1] and [2]). This first seems press release-y. The second one also seems somewhat like a press release, though it discusses some kind of award for one of their products, Foxit Reader, but I'm not sure that it's a particularly important award. There is a listing from MBDA showing the company won an award for being a "Minority Global Technology Firm" award-- though it tied with another organization. I might be inclined to support keeping the article if there is some more substantial coverage of the company itself. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Their product Foxit Reader is fairly well known. Here are some articles in Chinese on Foxit, in addition to what user (I JethroBT) provided. [3] [4] [5] [6]. Note that the first 3 is about the central Chinese government choosing Foxit software as the designated pdf software provider. The 4th is like a press release, but it also corroborates the fact that the Chinese government procured Foxit Reader from Foxit software. Note that the 3rd one is from Xinhua, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese government. Too bad that the Xinhua website is down for me, so I couldn't get the article, only the google cached version.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of notability. Coretheapple (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- I dispute this assertion. There are plenty evidence of notability. I understand the english media coverage is spotty other than foxit's own corporate website, but there are plenty of coverage in chinese sources, as shown by the links I have provided throughout this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 03:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Satisfies WP:GNG with these articles that represent significant coverage from independent and seemingly reliable sources (if someone wants to call them not-reliable, they'll need to back that up): [7][8][9][10]. "No indication of notability" isn't a reason for deletion at WP:AFD which has been clearly explained at WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Simply doing a Google News search for Foxit produced all of these articles. Maybe these references can be disputed when it comes to establishing notability but did any delete !votes even check before !voting? These were as easy to find as it comes. If you found no references, it helps the discussion to show what searches you did that resulted in no references. Otherwise, your !vote is baseless and not very useful. OlYeller21Talktome 05:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- @OlYeller21: These sources provide coverage of the product Foxit Reader, for which we already have an article; they do not provide significant coverage about the company. Furthermore, not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. OlYeller21Talktome 07:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to Foxit Reader should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Foxit Reader per Justlettersandnumbers. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- But it is only lack of english coverage though. In Chinese media, there are plenty of mention as shown by the link I have given above. I understand not all people could read Chinese, but a simple google translate can verify what I said. Here are some more news links to verify. All in first page of baidu search. [11][12][13][14][15][16] By the way, these articles are all about the company, and not the software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Foxit Reader per Justlettersandnumbers. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to Foxit Reader should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. OlYeller21Talktome 07:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- @OlYeller21: These sources provide coverage of the product Foxit Reader, for which we already have an article; they do not provide significant coverage about the company. Furthermore, not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.