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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep --Hdt83 ^Chat 02:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pensacola Christian Academy

Unnotable Christian fundamentalist school. This was created in June 2005, and since then has never had a single WP:RS to show notablity/importance. Paper45tee (talk) 21:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep There seems to be a fair amount of content here; it's fairly common to have articles about schools here on WP - what makes this one any less notable than all the other schools with articles about them? I can't think of any reason to delete this at all. CrazyChemGuy (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According to WP:SCHOOL: "a school is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage[1] in secondary sources." There is NOT a single secondary source. Everything from the article is from the school's webpage. Thus, its an ad for the school's webpage and doesn't show notablity. Also WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't a criteria for inclusion. What make this notable? Paper45tee (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per WP:RS. Also, just because something exists, there is no need for WP to take note of it. Drieux (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No notability established. The amount of content is not a reason to keep. It is the quality of the article and meeting WP:RS, WP:V, WP:SCHOOL, and WP:N. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. Culturalrevival (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a high school, and there is coverage of it in the media. There's enough precedence that articles on high schools stay. If it needs cleanup it should be tagged as such, not brought to AfD. —BradV 14:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notwithstanding the fact that notability cannot be inherited, I perceive this school as notable due to its connections with two notable entities in the world of ultraconservative evangelical Christian education: Pensacola Christian College and A Beka Book. The school was founded in 1954 by the same person (or couple) who established Pensacola Christian College 20 years later, and this school is the place where PCC's A Beka Books curriculum was developed. If this school is where PCC and A Beka were formulated, the school should be documented in Wikipedia. Furthermore, it's apparently a very large school, with 2,537 students. I have concluded that the article can't be merged into Pensacola Christian College (unlike the A Beka Book article) because I can't find evidence that the school is part of the college (although they are still supposedly led by the same couple). --Orlady (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Can we get WP:RS that says that in the article? I disagree that this is notable for being related to other articles because the world of fundamentalist Christianity is a small one (A Beka Books doesn't even have its own article). Paper45tee (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. You say "the world of fundamentalist Christianity is a small one." I am relieved to hear that you feel that way. Speaking for myself, as a person who is not a fundamentalist Christian but lives in the Bible Belt, I often have the impression that the world of fundamentalist Christianity is overwhelmingly large. I appreciate articles such as this one as information sources regarding the world that surrounds me. As for A Beka Books, it formerly had a separate article, but the article was merged into Pensacola Christian College (see the article history). --Orlady (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - sources are available that meet WP:N. This is a large, notable school in its community. Also per Orlady's well-reasoned arguments. TerriersFan (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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+*'''Delete'''. No notability established.  The amount of content is not a reason to keep.  It is the quality of the article and meeting [[WP:RS]], [[WP:V]], [[WP:SCHOOL]], and [[WP:N]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 01:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' Not notable. [[User:Culturalrevival|Culturalrevival]] ([[User talk:Culturalrevival|talk]]) 02:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' This is a high school, and there is coverage of it in the media. There's enough precedence that articles on high schools stay. If it needs cleanup it should be tagged as such, not brought to AfD. —[[User_talk:Bradv|<span style="color:Orange;">BradV</span>]] 14:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Notwithstanding the fact that notability cannot be inherited, I perceive this school as notable due to its connections with two notable entities in the world of ultraconservative evangelical Christian education: [[Pensacola Christian College]] and A Beka Book. The school was founded in 1954 by the same person (or couple) who established [[Pensacola Christian College]] 20 years later, and this school is the place where PCC's A Beka Books curriculum was developed. If this school is where PCC and A Beka were formulated, the school should be documented in Wikipedia. Furthermore, it's apparently a very large school, with 2,537 students. I have concluded that the article can't be merged into [[Pensacola Christian College]] (unlike the A Beka Book article) because I can't find evidence that the school is part of the college (although they are still supposedly led by the same couple). --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 04:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
+:OK, Can we get [[WP:RS]] that says that in the article? I disagree that this is notable for being related to other articles because the world of fundamentalist Christianity is a small one (A Beka Books doesn't even have its own article). [[User:Paper45tee|Paper45tee]] ([[User talk:Paper45tee|talk]]) 01:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
+::*'''LOL.''' You say "the world of fundamentalist Christianity is a small one." I am relieved to hear that you feel that way. Speaking for myself, as a person who is not a fundamentalist Christian but lives in the [[Bible Belt]], I often have the impression that the world of fundamentalist Christianity is overwhelmingly large. I appreciate articles such as this one as information sources regarding the world that surrounds me. As for A Beka Books, it ''formerly'' had a separate article, but the article was merged into [[Pensacola Christian College]] (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=A_Beka_Books&action=history the article history]). --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 02:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - sources are available that meet [[WP:N]]. This is a large, notable school in its community. Also per [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]'s well-reasoned arguments. [[User:TerriersFan|TerriersFan]] ([[User talk:TerriersFan|talk]]) 16:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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