User talk:MF SarahHorner

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Val Hennessy (June 12)

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MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Val Hennessy (June 16)

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Chris Troutman (talk) 05:30, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Just getting to grips with the Talk Pages, Chris. Let's hope I get this right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Val_Hennessy I've amended the draft to show that Hennessy is notable on two counts - 1 for her longevity as Chief Literary Critic for the 25 years until 2004, reviewing 1000s of books. 2, she is a notable figure in the history of British women's writing for her place and contribution to the inaugural Orange Prize for Literature judging panel.

MF SarahHorner (talk) 10:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Draft:Val Hennessy (June 18)

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Fiddle Faddle 10:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Dear Timtrent ,

Thanks for your feedback and encouragement. I've done more work on third party references and cleaning up a mirrored reference. I've resubmitted. Maybe I'll make it through this time.

Regards

MF SarahHorner (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm 90% sure the next reviewer will accept it. I tend not to re-review articles so forgive me if I stand by and watch. Fiddle Faddle 15:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Inline citation checking

Took me a while to understand what inline citations mean, Fiddle Faddle. Links that go off to an external site without referencing right? Where these refer to the subject's own work, I've put them into an external links section. Another has been turned into a real reference and yet another has been amended as a wiki link. I'd find it helpful to have feedback on whether I've understood the original problem of inline citations correctly.

By the way - I've made some amends via a tablet. That was tricky. Won't do that again. Have to check it all through again on the laptop...

Many thanks MF SarahHorner (talk) 06:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Sarah. I came here to talk about another issue but let me answer the question above first. It sounds like you understand but let me make it transparent. An inline citation is a footnote in the text, that displays as a references in the references section, i.e., this:^[1] When you were told "All inline links must be removed" (emphasis added) what was meant was that you should not have external links directly in the text, like NYT The latter should all be removed, or turned into inline citations (but of course, only if they verify the material where they appeared). As an example, I fixed one of those in my edits, changing:

"She continues to write for the Daily Mail's [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2553006/RETRO-READS.html Retro Reads] column." to

"She continues to write for the Daily Mail's "Retro Reads" column.<ref>{{cite news|newspaper=Daily Mail|last1=Hennessy|first1=Val|title=Retro Reads|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2553006/RETRO-READS.html|date=6 February 2014}}</ref>

Back to what I came here about. On my copyedit I fixed all the footnotes to be outside of punctuation but it appears you've reversed that. Citations go outside of punctuation. Thus, it's never: Text^[1], or Text^[2]. and always Text,^[1] and Text.^[2] Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

P.S. in looking at the draft just now I see you had removed the Retro Reads citation and then returned it but that when you did so you changed "|date=6 February 2014" to "|accessdate=6 February 2014" That's not correct. An accessdate is the date you accessed the source and provides a record for non-paper sources – sources that are subject to change – of a date when the source verified the content, even if it has changed (it is thus unneeded for sources like a book, or newspaper article that was actually printed and not just digital). Here, 6 February 2014 is the date of the source and not the date you accessed it. Cheers--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding, Fuhghettaboutit. I was off the grid this weekend and couldn't reply sooner. So I'll say it now - You are completely right. Putting references outside punctuation seems counterintuitive to me - but it's how it's done here. Thanks also for straightening me out on access dates. While the convention is probably to discuss and agree the amends, you'll see that I've already been back into the article to reinstate your edits and confirm all access dates for web references. MF SarahHorner (talk) 06:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey again. Spend some time here and you'll get really used to slow motion conversations! In short, delay? what is this "delay" of which you speak?:-) There is no deadline. By the same token, I've worked on drafts for months and months before posting (I have some that have been languishing a few years). One short follow-up: You fixed the accessdate in the Retro Reads citation by removing the date of the source entirely and keeping only the accessdate, instead of changing it back to |date=. The date of the source (if it has one), is far more important than any accessdate! So adding in accessdate is good for a web only source, but never at the expense of the date of the source. I've added it back here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

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Fiddle Faddle 14:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)