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Hello and thank you

"I've had enough of Noel Gallagher slagging me off. Let's see him play the drum parts to "Los Endos" - that'll shut him up."

Hi Ritchie333, it's great to hear from you! I do like to work on Yes/Genesis articles but my writing is never up to GA quality. First off, thank you for working on The Yes Album. I was amazed someone took it from the mess that it was to GA in such little time! You have a good, unique way of developing articles which I like. Nice development on Trick, and please feel free to work on Wind & Wuthering as like I said, my writing is not as succinct. Duke pains me as I had such a big edit going, with lots of references from the 2007 reissue interviews, only to have the whole thing swiped by power outage. This has happened to me far too many times. I guess little by little edits are the way forward for me now! I do have Bowler and Dray as well as the Genesis 2007 book, but I use articles from The Genesis Archive. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@LowSelfEstidle: Thanks! I got Bowler and Dray book brand new (then lost it and bought another one second hand on eBay recently), around the time The Way We Walk, Volume Two: The Longs came out. I knew the 80s Genesis well from just hearing them all over the radio (you could be living as a rock hermit and you'd still hear Phil Collins), but it was only really the "Old Medley" on this that sought me to dig out all the old albums. I spent at least the next decade and a bit moaning that Genesis lost it after Hackett left, but I then remembered that the "Duke" suite is great, and the 80s albums are actually good, and just suffer from being over-familiar. So nowadays I like bits of all Genesis, broadly construed, and it means I can tackle something like Selling England by the Pound to GA without overloading it with an excessive fan's POV that some of these sorts of articles suffer from. Anyway, I'll chip away at Duke a bit more; I've got stuck trying to source the last few bits of Trick of the Tail.

GAs are not too difficult once you've done a bit of work on here, as long as you understand the core policies of WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, the entire article complies to it (which usually, but not necessarily, implies everything gets sourced to an inline cite) and if you can write a succinct reply on a talk page that doesn't get misunderstood, then your prose skills are probably up to the task. Even then, prose is easy to fix in a GA review, structure, POV and sourcing issues aren't! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)#

@Ritchie333: The 1992 "Old Medley" has actually grown on me since the first time I heard it. They could never make the "Stagnation" excerpt long enough in my opinion. That moment from When in Rome 2007 with everyone's hands up in the air cheering along is too magical of a moment. Anyway, I appreciate the tips and useful information; your work is a great template to follow for one's improvement. Keep up the excellent work, sir. Let me know if you need any opinions, second thought, or have a need to give out ale recommendations. I am a fan of Doom Bar myself! LowSelfEstidle (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@LowSelfEstidle: I seem to recall sitting down and trying to learn the piano intro to "Firth of Fifth" in summer 1993 ... and nearly 22 years later, I still can't do it. I can do the middle section reprise of it on one hand. Maybe I will crack it before I die - who knows? Anyway, back to articles here, I have done some clean-up on A Trick of the Tail, including another copyedit of most of the prose and removing most of the remaining unsourced material (which was mainly minor technical things). I think the release dates are the only things left uncited, then it'll be good to go for a GA review, although I would like to write a bit more about the cover art, that no sources seem to ever talk about. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Keep going at "Firth of Fifth", I say. You might just get it. Or even better, the introduction to "Watcher of the Skies"! My best suggestion would be to look at the 2007 reissue interviews on DVD as they tend to talk about the covers on them (certainly for the early Gabriel albums, I'm just unsure if they talk about them for the later ones). The interviews uploaded on YouTube have been cut to fit the 10-15-minute time limits from back in the day, so most are incomplete. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

"Yes, 40 years ago, dressing up as a flower seemed like a good idea, but I bet you did silly things too. Don't remind others of past misdeeds."

I used to be able to do the Watcher intro all the way through (and I used to have a VST plugin on a laptop called "Watcher Mix"), and I have occasionally played it at soundchecks. Most people haven't a clue what it is. I've also occasionally run off the main riff to Van der Graaf Generator's "Killer" - actually armed with a set of bass pedals, VDGG's stuff seems easier to play than Genesis', probably because there are less solos. Anyway, Trick is now at GAN. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of A Trick of the Tail

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article A Trick of the Tail you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 08:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Wisdom Jobs ‎

Hi Ritchie333,

I have just started to editing wikipedia and create two articles Punya Prasun Bajpai and Ashish Kasyap. I was also trying to create page of Draft:Lip Ink International. My intention was only to get to know that why this page is not approving when i have added lots of references. I was doing that just because to learn but not to earn. I have also submitted a page for Wisdom Jobs and added best reliable resources however it was rejected.I asked to the writer that why this page has been rejected when i am have added best notable references but there was no reply from the editor. See the page Naukri.com. This page is referred by poor notable websites however this article is approved. I am only curious to know about how WikiPedia works and nothing else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhyud (talk • contribs) 15:18, 13 April 2015‎

Corporation articles are a hard sell on Wikipedia. The fundamental problem is that too many people are trying to use the site to promote a business, and paid editors are particularly good at trying to hide company articles under a wide range of sources, hoping nobody will spot that they are promotional. To counteract that, we have very strict guidelines for organisations, which means the company must be written about numerous times in major newspapers, magazines or books - no exceptions. In the case of Naukri.com, the article is in a poor shape, but a news search easily shows it is one of the most important websites in India and could be improved. Whereas we reject articles that do not appear to be possible to be improved.

I'm sorry if it feels difficult because paid editors and spammers have ruined things for honest editors who just want to contribute, and it is a shame. However, if the anonymous whistle-blowing feedback I posted on Draft:Lip Ink International is typical of the company, I think they would be better off without a Wikipedia article - it's not always a good thing to have one. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ritchie333 for clearing my doubts. I have noted down your suggestions and will take care in future. I would request you to please delete Lip Ink International as this article doesn't fulfill the criteria of Wikipedia. I would also request you to please take a look of this article Draft:Wisdom Jobs. This company is really doing good in it's industry and also they have good media coverage.I have added good reliable third party resources to justify my article. I appreciate Wikipedia editors who do hard work to maintain the quality. I can assure you that my all articles will be written with honesty and dignity and will maintain the quality guidelines of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhyud (talk • contribs)

It looks like Timtrent has reviewed that submission and given you a comprehensive opinion of the sources there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Ritch333, my all third party resources are being considered as press releases. Can you please share any reference article that can be considered in Wikipedia for my new article. Help me!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhyud (talk • contribs) 13:21, 14 April 2015‎

The best thing you can do is on the red "Submission declined box" is click on one of the "news", "newspapers" or "books" links and see if there's anything there. There's quite a bit about Wisdom Jobs, such as this news source, which I think is reliable and independent, but it's not what I would consider significant coverage. You need something like that, but talking more about the company in an impartial manner. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ritchie333 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhyud (talk • contribs)

References

Hayden Schilling

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katherine.Holt (talk • contribs) 15:08, 16 April 2015

@Katherine.Holt: Not a problem - a professor with a named appointment in a notable academic institution usually meets our guidelines for academics. Normally I'd tell you to read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide but in this instance you have been around for a while and declared up-front that you are a subordinate of Prof. Schilling, so I'll assume you're familiar with the guidelines in this area anyway. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Boat Race barnstar o'clock

		The Running Man Barnstar
		Hey Ritchie, just a quick barnstar to say thanks for the many, many reviews of Boat Race articles you've conducted over the past year. As of this morning, I completed my (initial) goal of ensuing that every Boat Race had, not only its own article, but one that was either of GA or FA status: we now have 158 GAs and 3 FAs that we can all be proud of! It doesn't stop here, for me at least, I'm going to keep up with improving the quality of the GAs and look for more FA opportunities. Plus, there's the small matter of 70 Women's Boat Race articles to get up and running! But thanks again, I couldn't have done it without your help. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

"Nice legs, shame about the boat race"

"If I am elected, I will make bloody sure that the country will be run from Llwynypia, see if I don't!"

"every Boat Race"? ....and the rest. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC) (p.s. ... and Leanne the most gorgeous of the prospective leaders, I think you'll have to agree?)

Oh, she is smoking hot, especially when she's having a right go at El Fuhrer on telly! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Tonypandy Burning, boyo. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

"Order! Order!" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

"Mine's a pint of bitter (and twisted), thanks." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

In all seriousness, my next mini-task is to see what I can do with the 70 women's boat race articles, but I doubt I'll even be enthusiastic enough to get to the Welsh variation.... Although I have to admit, I've never seen Ms Wood looking so good. There must a song in that somewhere.... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

TRM, I'd give up trying to be serious when Martin's stalking my talk page, you'll just end up banging your head against a wall ... I have seen the last few Boat Race articles on WP:GAN recently, and thought I would have a go at one, but I keep getting distracted by people reviewing mine. Anyway if I see one of the women's race articles there, I'll grab it if the timing's right. I've only got Pawn Hearts left in the GA queue at the moment, so I need to get writing - album articles are easy enough to get to GA with the right book sources, but it's always good to have something a little more challenging. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: You're more than welcome; I took a break in February from GA reviewing generally as I wasn't writing enough of my own, but I'm glad that I made a significant dent in an area of Wikipedia we can really be proud of. And of course, we couldn't have got there without you doing the substantial amount of research, sourcing, and writing in the first place. Right now, I seem to have acquired the de facto title of President of the Heymann Club, who improves articles sat at AfD just to irritate people. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Invite

hi this is dfrr I know I should not be sending you this message but I think you should decide on thisDfrr (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC) (Talk to me:-)

As long as the topic stays on article improvement, all are welcome on this talk page. (Apart from block notice templates. And excessive easter egg links from Martinevans123. Actually, the second of those isn't too bad on second thoughts.) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hi this is dfrr. the reason I sent this out is because this has to do with building an encyclopedia. this project has a lot of R&B articles that need improvement.i do not know if you are into soul or not but I am not trying to be funny I am trying to be serious here and improve these articles. I made a edit to James Brown and other articles. so that is why I sent this message. no worries you're okay. thank you and have a great dayDfrr (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2015 (UTC) (Talk to me:-))

@Dfrr: - No this message is okay - I was more concerned about the plethora of barnstars on Dr. Blofeld's page, amongst other things. Stick to articles, and you'll be alright. I seem to recall James Brown was in a bit of a state; it could do with cleaning up and taking to GA but I'd need the right book sources and some serious background knowledge beyond what I currently have. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rich (if I may call you that) I am sorry about that anyways 2 things. 1.I was trying to award Dr. Blofeld for his good work but I will stop doing that if Mr. Feld does not like it. 2. are you going to be a member of Wikiproject R&B And soul music? because I am already a member and I am on the list here is a link to the list

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject R&B and Soul Music/Members

anyways thank you and have a great dayDfrr (talk) 20:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC) (Talk to me:-))

about the message you left on my talk page

hi this is the one and only Dfrr who is known for making the article Lori Beth Allen for Happy Days. I replyed to your message that you left on my talk page and I need you to view it just that. although you can leave a message if you like:-)Dfrr (talk) 22:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC) (Talk to me:-)

Concerns

I share the same concerns regarding Dfrr. He has made over 390 user talk edits and has already been bought up for his conduct. I don't know if I should bring the matter to ANI but it does seem like he has spamned several users... TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

This is far from the first time I've seen this and the usual long-term outcome is a WP:COMPETENCE and WP:NOTHERE related block on ANI, but that takes a long time to get to and there is plenty of time to stop it. Hopefully, the heads up will be taken accordingly and that'll be the end of it - we'll see. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

hi guys you don't have to worry about me from now on I will only be contacting people about improving articles.Dfrr (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)(Talk to me:-)).

Your GA nomination of Selling England by the Pound

The article Selling England by the Pound you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Selling England by the Pound for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Selling England by the Pound

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DYK for Ruth Guler

Harrias ^talk 13:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk page refactoring

This edit was an inappriate [[WP:TPO|removal of other editors' comments from a talk page. Musicpublisheronline (talk · contribs) and I had been having a dialog about his username and his editing choices. Certainly you are free to add the simpler version, but WP:TLDR did not apply as MPO had clearly read my comments and responded to them. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, it looked like a canned templated warning - I didn't pick up on it being a conversation because the newbie didn't sign. I just noticed it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a simple thank you!!

Hello thank you for saving my page that i started foxholes I appreciate to what you did. For one thing I thought it wa a goner again!!! Well Thnaks again!! Wkc19 (talk) 15:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)wkc19 :)

• No problem. I told the tagger that the speedy deletion criteria in question did not apply, and added a source. Good old @Dr. Blofeld: zoomed in and noticed a historical connection. I actually drove right past Foxholes Farm on the A414 a few weeks back en route to a gig at Hertford Corn Exchange, which is why I thought it was suspicious. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Johann Baptist Wendling

Hello! Your submission of Johann Baptist Wendling at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Special Barnstar
		For your fine work in improving the article Rose and Rosie. And Adoil Descended (talk) 04:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll have a look for more sources and see if I can improve the article further as the Huff Post and Metro sources are of the low end tabloid variety. For some reason @Drmies: pops into my head when I think of gay weddings so they might be interested in it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:33, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Snake Pass

Allen3 ^talk 12:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you from the Ceres Gallery

I appreciate your help and the suggested links! Phyllis Rosser (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

@Phyllis Rosser: You're welcome; this is a frustrating case as I've been through several newspaper and book sources and all they say is "abc exhibited xyz including the Ceres Gallery" - without a good source documenting the history, an article can't be written. I assume you are this Phyllis Rosser, former president of the Ceres Gallery from 2000 - 2004, and that presents us with a problem, as you have a conflict of interest. I'm sure you want to commemorate the gallery's history and influence on feminist culture, nothing wrong with that, but you have to use what third party sources have written, otherwise you'll be in trouble. I'd strongly advise you to read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide as soon as possible. Ironically enough, I can see more coverage in reliable sources about yourself than the gallery! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Ceres Gallery Follow-up

Thanks so much! I hear what you are saying and I will continue to search for third party sources. Fingers crossed! I appreciate your extra time. Phyllis Rosser (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Mountain Goat

Hi Ritchie333, Just wanted to pop by to say thanks for finding the sources for the article as well as expanding it - Believe it or not I actually wanted it kept but then again perhaps I should've searched for a bit more than just "Mountain Goat" ,
Anyway thanks for your help - As always very much appreciated :),
Thanks & Happy Editing, –Davey2010^Talk 14:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem. As long as you go into AfD with a mindset of "I can't find any way of improving this article to our required standards - can anyone else?" then you'll be fine. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

... screams of horror from the assembled deletionists. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Clearly something's got your goat, Martin! While we're talking about the Lakes, having taken Snake Pass to GA, I wonder if mountain passes are a good subject to improve. I've got a book on Hardknott Pass somewhere - great fun to drive, particularly in a Mini Cooper. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Is that the one where Charles Bronson battles the Injuns on his way to a phantom Lakeland diphtheria epidemic? (I once had an uncle who kept mountin goats, but that’s another story ... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Have you been watching too much ITV3 again, Martin? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Snake Pass

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I used to drive across the Snake Pass at least once a week in the summer when I worked in Sheffield, so your GA nomination jumped out at me. But even the Woodhead Pass wasn't reliable in the winter. I got stuck there once behind a lorry that had jack-knifed on the ice on its descent, which closed the road for hours. It's bitterly cold up there. Eric Corbett 21:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Snake is a wonderful drive in the summer when you've got all the time in the world, but I can well believe that goes out of the window the minute commuting comes into it. This stuff didn't make the article, but back in the 70s, Joy Division and Human League used to trade gigs off each other, presumably so they didn't have to cart a full PA over the Pennines, and Hooky remembers travelling in a Transit (?) up Snake Pass towards Sheffield wondering if the van was actually going to survive to the top.

I also know a couple of freight drivers and I'm pretty sure the recommended route for any farms in Lincolnshire to the whole Greater Manchester area is via Sheffield and Woodhead, going via the M62 over Scammonden is just too out of the way and fuel heavy to be cost effective. So the whole road is bunged up with HGVs all the way through Longendale and Mottram. Coming the other direction along the M67 tells you everything you need to know about British transport policy - great fast road for a few miles, then it just gives up and dissolves into total crap. And as for the trains, great, let's reopen the Woodhead Tunnel, oh wait, it's full of electrical cables. Bugger. PS: Bit of a blast from the past for you Eric for seeing Sale, Greater Manchester as today's featured article. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I see that is your 40th GA! Congratulations! --MelanieN (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

A personal favourite and a high point for the Yamaha keyboard, I feel. "Brian Matthew, you were right." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Had a feeling it might - I'd never heard of him before I researched the article! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

What! You are joking?! "I Can't Go Back to Savoury Now" is "a heart-rending bittersweet tale of modern manners", by 'eck. There is something of the Jake Thackray about him, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of West Pier

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DYK for Thorwald Jørgensen

Harrias ^talk 07:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Johann Baptist Wendling

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:29, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Need help with a rescue

(This is what I actually came here to say - whereupon I found you had just been awarded EotW.) I know this note is likely to get lost - in between the congratulations for Editor of the Week and the party that is likely to erupt in a mop-awarding thread within the next few hours. But the article Lamont Johnson (jazz bassist) really needs your help. I rescued it from G3 (I don't know what that nominator was thinking, the subject is obviously not a hoax) and added a little context. But making it into a proper article will require a musician's touch which I don't have. Can you find a little time for rescue work? --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The trouble with this one is that he has often been credited as "E LaMont Johnson" on records, and there are quite a few other notable Lamont Johnsons, which means you have to be very careful to look for context when citing sources. With that in mind, it took a while to get his AllMusic page, but I've got it and it looks like he's been on enough major label album releases to just squeak into WP:MUSBIO. I'll carry on looking, and I highly suspect he will have done news and magazine interviews in the 1970s and 80s that just aren't online. And G3 ... I mean, I can believe people doing an A7, but honestly! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I dropped the nominator a note on their talk page - although I was too polite to say "WTF were you thinking?" Thanks for getting right on it. I was wondering if we may need a disambiguation page since there are actually THREE Lamont Johnson pages here now:

• Lamont Johnson, American actor and film director
• LaMont Johnson, American jazz pianist
• Lamont Johnson (bassist), American R&B bass player

What do you think? --MelanieN (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm. Certainly policy suggests you don't need a disambiguation page, as only Lamont Johnson and Lamont Johnson (bassist) require actual disambiguation, and the former looks more notable than the latter. I think you just need liberal amounts of {{for}} and {{distinguish}} tags, myself. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. --MelanieN (talk) 18:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for efforts to save articles nominated for deletion. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:MelanieN submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Ritchie333 is one of the best Wikipedians I know. He specializes in saving articles. He will find an article nominated for deletion at AfD or CSD, recognize that the subject is worthwhile, and improve it until it is a perfectly acceptable Wikipedia article. His saved articles are often featured at DYK. He has even gotten a few to Good Article status; he is the living embodiment of Wikipedia:The Heymann Standard. See User:Ritchie333/saves for a partial list of his rescues. He also does a lot of work at GA, both in promoting articles to GA status (38 at last count) and in reviewing the GA nominations of others. He has created more than 60 new articles. He participates in, and occasionally closes, discussions at ANI, where his contributions always demonstrate courtesy and common sense. He certainly deserves to be Editor of the Week.

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• Thanks again for your efforts! In keeping with our custom to avoid awarding administrators, we managed to sneak this one in in the nick of time. Congratulations both on receiving this award and on your impending adminship. All the best, Go Phightins! 17:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations on being Editor of the Week, and you have no idea how close this award came to not being presented! You have been in the queue to receive the EotW award for a couple of months, and your name came up today - when you are obviously within a few hours of becoming an administrator. As an admin you would not have been eligible for Editor of the Week. Timing is everything in life. Thanks for making it happen, User:Go Phightins! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• (ec)Congrats! Melanie nominated you months ago. We are honored to have you in our Hall of Fame! . Buster Seven Talk 17:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• Well done 333s, old chap - have a triumphant Fanfare for the Common Editor!! ... not 'arf pop-pickers!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• Thank you for your service on Wikipedia, and congrats on the award! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 17:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Print media and WP:CSD#A7

You say A7 doesn't apply to print media[1]. Where did you get that? How/why are print media special? A7 only calls out education institutions as special cases. The Dissident Aggressor 21:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@DissidentAggressor: The criteria in question refers only to people, organisations, animals, web content and events - nothing else. Since CSD bypasses the usual consensus building procedure at AfD (or the implied one at PROD), the criteria are narrowly defined and only those specific topics qualify. As you can see from this, Music Tech is a professionally published journal by Anthem Publishing, it does not qualify. There are many other topics that do not qualify for A7 even if unsourced - books is one, films, albums, video games and manufactured products are some more. You may be interested to read the relevant area in the field guide. Additionally, a quick spin through Google Books shows that several of the journal's contributing authors are experts in their field, two specialists in Logic Pro have written commercially published books (and the stock Hammond organ module on Logic is jaw-droppingly amazing for a computer program). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 05:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I suppose it could be argued that a magazine is a product and not an organization - which seems to be at the core of your logic. They can be either. The Dissident Aggressor 12:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

But surely a better thing to do is add a reliable source ... then the debate becomes moot :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't get downhearted

Hi, a lot of people are pointing out errors in how you reviewed my bacon sandwich hook. We all make mistakes and sometimes we jump too quickly when something looks interesting and exciting. You're a good editor '''tAD''' (talk) 02:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

At the recent South Thanet election, Nigel Farage speculated that losing to the Tories was not so bad, considering that on the day after election in 2010, he was in intensive care following a serious air crash. That's some good perspective that's worth bearing in mind whenever Wikipedians tear each other's heads off. For all this hyperbole about "sharing the world's knowledge", to the man in the street Wikipedia is just some website somewhere - that's it. You're a good editor too, by the way. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 05:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for In the Land of Grey and Pink

Pink sky at night, Shepherd's Delight
Sheep drowned in the morning, Global Warming

A golf girl for you!

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

See comment at the same header on Martin --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Have you ever seen anyone file an RfA saying they'd like to use the tools to unblock people? Would be a refreshing change, I'd have thought. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Would be refreshing. How would you, aspiring admin, perform the requested close on Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

D -> E7 -> A (pause) ... as seen here, of course! But to give a more productive answer, have a read of this, specifically this bit (paraphrased slightly), "Admins always refused to resolve conflicts ... an editor would get into an argument with a reviewer ... they would argue back and forth, discussing the issues ... they would stomp into some admin's talk page hoping for a resolution .... Who's the person who knows least about the problem? Obviously it's the admin - who was just hauled in at the last minute for Conflict Resolution". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

If the admin had been there before the last minute, he would not be independent, right? - This is an easy case, I think. Just ignore every comment that is not to that article but general (something arbcom requested all participants to avoid): what is left? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

ps: as an aspiring admin, you noticed of course that there was a close attempt before which was not accepted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Aspiring no more ;) - congrats. Short because a friend and inspiration died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

(Sorry to hear that about Viva-Verdi, Gerda. That's a real loss to the project.) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

(more) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Just saw this. Such sad news. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Record companies and A7

So many notable pubs....

.....so little time

So you're now saying that because a company worked with a notable product, they're asserting importance. Every beer distributor and bar on the planet is now ineligible for A7 with that false logic. The Dissident Aggressor 12:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

If they serve notable beer, yes, and if the bar has notable customers (eg: Sun in the Sands, Le QuecumBar, Dublin Castle, Camden, Black Prince, Bexley ... indeed anything linked from List of pubs in London - why not try a pint in each?) then yes! You really are best off having the full AfD debate if in doubt, and it's worth remembering that we're here to write an encyclopedia, not destroy one. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Or if they serve bacon sandwiches? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Well that's The Globe, Glossop out of the window isn't it. Still, Snake Pass is not too far away, so it's not the end of the world.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I was going to comment about the rate that I've been creating articles since you felt compelled to comment that we're here to build an encyclopedia, but I realized that you created the article, Pink cat. That's even better than the Social impact of thong underwear. You and I are definitely here to create a different (level of quality) encyclopedia. Congrats on the admin bit. The Dissident Aggressor 17:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

And here's a pub notable enough for User:Drmies, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• DissidentAggressor, denying a speedy is done with the lowest possible bar in mind: does the article make a credible claim of importance? Since (foolishly, perhaps) we have decided that a record company is notable if they have a few notable bands, the claim suffices for speedy purposes. (The irony is that a band can become notable if they're with a notable label, so all you have to do is to write up the label and a few bands, and they can be crappy articles with poor claims, I suppose.) Martin, how does a 17th-c inn go back to the civil war? And why isn't the proper term used, "Wah between the states"? Drmies (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@DissidentAggressor: The funny thing about pink cat is that there was this page, User:Drmies/Pink Poodle that was just .... well, random, and I thought "well if Drmies can do it to dogs, bugger it I'll do it to cats", then realised what would be even funnier is if it was a real article, then the joke's on Wikipedia. Yes, incredibly, there are an elite band of admins who actually create content .... or is it an elite band of content creators who protect pages every now and then? As for Social impact of thong underwear, well that's just as bad as Justin Bieber on Twitter really. Anyway, yes I've declined the odd speedy or two.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I trust I can call on you for support with my new DYK nom: Social impact of thong underwear on Justin Beiber? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

After Dr. Young, the sky's the limit at DYK. EEng (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Try telling Justin that, you heartless troll! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of A Trick of the Tail

The article A Trick of the Tail you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:A Trick of the Tail for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

spamlinks as references

"I wonder if they've got Ethel the Aardvark goes Quantity Surveying in here?"

Linking to a shop site is probably not the best way to provide WP:RS. Pretty much every product on the planet has an e-commerce site that says something about it, but they're not encouraged as references. The Dissident Aggressor 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The term "spam" means the same thing lots and lots of times. WH Smith is one of the most established newsagents in Britain, and has been established in one form or another since 1792. You cannot just take any fanzine off a printing press, walk in, and expect them to start selling it. I really don't understand why you are getting so angry and upset over a music magazine, which I would count as a perfectly good reliable source for any article about music gear. I think you're going to need to send this article to AfD, or start a conversation on the reliable source noticeboard. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how you're imputing anger in anything I'm doing, but I'll state that I think you're being downright sloppy:

• I'll remind you that there's only one "R" in WP:BRD. You should have discussed and reached consensus before reinstating your reverted edit. You have no more right to reinstate it than I do to continue removing it. I can't figure out why you would self-declare your correctness, closing discussion, reinstate your edit and state that the burden is on me to take it to RSN. It seems like you are invoking some perceived privilege you think you have as an admin (which you don't). You should self-revert.
• That source does not support that the publication was established in 2003 or been published by Anthem since then. It's not at all clear where the 2003 date came from. The WP:Burden is on you to provide accurate, reliable sources that support your additions.

As an admin, I'd expect you to be a heck of a lot more careful and I challenge you to raise your standards. The Dissident Aggressor 17:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Collaboration

I see that you are a software engineer per your user page (as am I). I was looking at the article that we have here on the topic Software engineer and it is pretty lack luster. Perhaps we could put our heads together and build a featured article (something I have always wanted to do). No rush, just something we could throw together in a user draft page and when it is ready, move it to the mainspace. Thoughts? Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 15:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chrislk02: Gosh, that's a hard task, and its a topic I've never really thought about much either, despite programming in one form or another for, well decades now.

The first thing I'd do in a large-scale article like that is work out what sort of structure it should take, then see what sources I've got, and pull it together from that. This is why I tend to focus on narrower-focused topics, which are easier to get to GA and beyond single handedly - I'm working through Graham Chapman at the moment and that can be more or less done by one person with three or four good biographies, with help on the copyediting afterwards.

Back to sofware engineer, I certainly have several books on the subject, most obviously Steve McConnell's Code Complete and Rapid Development, and DeMarco and Lister's Peopleware, but I'm not sure how much they cover engineering as a person or role as opposed to software engineering as a topic. In the meantime, I've dropped in a small factoid about Apple's "90 hours a week and loving it" culture.

The other possibility is that you could list the article on Today's Featured Article for Improvement, which tends to focus lots of small incremental improvements on broad-coverage topics like this one. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha, I agree, it is not a trivial task. In the big picture, I think the state of many of the Computer Science related articles on Wikipedia are pretty lack luster. I have a handful of journal articles on the subject, a pile of textbooks, and some other stuff I will scrounge around for and will probably create a workspace in my userspace to work on it. Thanks for the feedback/thoughts on the subject. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 16:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

If you are interested, I started a workspace here User:Chrislk02/drafts/Software Engineer. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 17:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

More about how publishing works

im new to this, can you explain to me how publishing works on wikipedia and what categories can or cannot be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keypublicindex (talk • contribs) 15:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Keypublicindex: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Basically, you can write about any topic that has a genuine encyclopaedic importance, and a rule of thumb for that is "will people want to read about this in 100 years time?" A good example of that might be Politics of the United Kingdom. The problem you have with writing about Key Public Index is you have a perceived conflict of interest as you appear to be directly associated with it. Wikipedia really isn't about promoting new businesses or people at all - that's what LinkedIn and Pinterest are for, and they do it a lot better than we ever would. The plain and simple conflict of interest guide is a good introduction; and its quite common for new editors to fall into this trap, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as you can show that you're interested in writing about general purpose topics, and have the required knowledge and sources, you should be welcome. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Useful link

Just spotted this in passing (I do something similar myself) and thought you might not be aware of the jolly useful Admin dashboard - all your tasks in one convenient place. Yunshui ^雲_水 19:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)