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The result was '''no consensus'''. [[WP:NPASR|No prejudice against speedy renomination]] per relatively low participation herein. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size:x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 02:11, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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Fails [[WP:NMUS]]. '''<span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:DrStrauss|<span style="color: blue">Dr</span><span style="color: darkblue">Strauss</span>]] [[User talk:DrStrauss|<span style="color: purple">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Fails [[WP:NMUS]]. '''<span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:DrStrauss|<span style="color: blue">Dr</span><span style="color: darkblue">Strauss</span>]] [[User talk:DrStrauss|<span style="color: purple">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs|list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions]]. <font face="Bradley Hand ITC">[[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|'''CAPTAIN RAJU''']]</font><sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 00:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Comment''': all of the articles for [[Sami Yusuf]]'s albums are very poorly sourced, but this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Yusuf is a genuinely huge star in the genre of spiritual Islamic music, and his albums have sold millions all over the world... see the ''Independent'' and ''Guardian'' articles cited on the Wikipedia article for Yusuf himself. I'm not saying this article should definitely survive AfD - if the sources aren't there, then they aren't there - but this deserves some careful research and maybe checking for sources in Arabic before simply voting to delete. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 00:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': all of the articles for [[Sami Yusuf]]'s albums are very poorly sourced, but this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Yusuf is a genuinely huge star in the genre of spiritual Islamic music, and his albums have sold millions all over the world... see the ''Independent'' and ''Guardian'' articles cited on the Wikipedia article for Yusuf himself. I'm not saying this article should definitely survive AfD - if the sources aren't there, then they aren't there - but this deserves some careful research and maybe checking for sources in Arabic before simply voting to delete. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 00:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Richard3120}} but that coverage is to do with ''him'', not ''this creation''. '''<span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:DrStrauss|<span style="color: blue">Dr</span><span style="color: darkblue">Strauss</span>]] [[User talk:DrStrauss|<span style="color: purple">talk</span>]]</span>''' 16:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Music|list of Music-related deletion discussions]]. <font face="Bradley Hand ITC">[[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|'''CAPTAIN RAJU''']]</font><sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 07:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</small>
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* '''Strong Keep''' I have done some research. While sales figures are hard to come by, it appears that the album has sold millions of copies worldwide. I found significant academic content discussing this album, e.g. the article in Arab Media & Society discussing Yusuf's adoption of western styles and production values, noting that My Ummah was an important step in this process. So, it appears that this is an album with commercial importance, has been released by an artist who is huge worldwide, and which is important in his artistic development. The only question is: why has such an artist not had his albums reviewed in major western newspapers and magazines?I've added citations to the article. Note: the book citation is on google books, the relevant section can be read there. [[User:Ross-c|Ross-c]] ([[User talk:Ross-c|talk]]) 14:56, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per relatively low participation herein. North America1000 02:11, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NMUS. DrStrauss talk 20:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 00:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: all of the articles for Sami Yusuf's albums are very poorly sourced, but this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Yusuf is a genuinely huge star in the genre of spiritual Islamic music, and his albums have sold millions all over the world... see the Independent and Guardian articles cited on the Wikipedia article for Yusuf himself. I'm not saying this article should definitely survive AfD - if the sources aren't there, then they aren't there - but this deserves some careful research and maybe checking for sources in Arabic before simply voting to delete. Richard3120 (talk) 00:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - TheMagnificentist 12:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 18:01, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 21:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J947(c) (m) 04:27, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I have done some research. While sales figures are hard to come by, it appears that the album has sold millions of copies worldwide. I found significant academic content discussing this album, e.g. the article in Arab Media & Society discussing Yusuf's adoption of western styles and production values, noting that My Ummah was an important step in this process. So, it appears that this is an album with commercial importance, has been released by an artist who is huge worldwide, and which is important in his artistic development. The only question is: why has such an artist not had his albums reviewed in major western newspapers and magazines?I've added citations to the article. Note: the book citation is on google books, the relevant section can be read there. Ross-c (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.