User talk:Bdgls

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ourinternet

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A tag has been placed on Ourinternet, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

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Talkback

(I don't know for certain it is from you, but I think it is a reasonable guess.)

Hello, Bdgls. You have new messages at Sphilbrick's talk page.
Message added SPhilbrickT 12:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Feedback on User:Bdgls/Ourinternet

There are several examples of wording that are problematic:

• "The company is one of the leading providers" You can't say this without adequate sourcing, and even if you can find adequate sourcing, many editors (including myself) don't think it is appropriate wording. It is what the marketing department says, not an encyclopedia.
• "packed with advanced features" In a word, no. Not acceptable.
• "Next step forward" See above
• "carving out a new niche" See above
• "Our Internet cloud servers are a good alternative" Not acceptable with sourcing, and even then, not advisable.
• "without investing a fortune" This is advertising not encyclopedia phrasing --SPhilbrickT 12:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. Will try to fix that leaving only facts and related sourcing.

Bdgls (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed all your remarks. Can you please take a look and let me know whether the page looks better now and can be restored?

Bdgls (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so quickly.

My biggest remaining concern is weakness regarding reliable sources. Please read the link but the key sentence is:

Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

You have included five references, but some are to the subjects site. I'm not familiar with Parallels or Web Hosting Stuff, but neither of them appear to qualify. --SPhilbrickT 15:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. What can be actually reliable in this world... Any case, Web Hosting Stuff is considered to be an authority and reliable source with more than 10,000 of reviews on various web hosting providers and services. Parallels is a multi-national corporation with offices in North America, Europe and Asia. They considered to be one of the leaders in server/desktop virtualization technologies (for example CNet review http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10451102-263.html). That's why I considered them to be reliable sources. I'm going to add a few more sources in future while updating the content.

Bdgls (talk) 06:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey SPhilbrick, just wondering whether you saw my last message. Not sure whether a user talk section has proper notifications. Hope on your feedback.

Bdgls (talk) 06:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Got your message, will look now.--SPhilbrickT 11:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

First, you wondered about "whether a user talk section has proper notifications" Yes and no. Everyone has a WP:WATCHLIST, which does indicate when someone edits a page on the list. Your talk page is on my watchlist, so had I been monitoring my watchlist, I should have seen it. However, I have 4800 pages on my watchlist, so that method of notification is not working for me. I need to work out something, but that's really my fault not yours. heads up many editors (who manage to monitor their watchlist regularly) do not like Talkback messages. However, I'm not one of them, so feel free to send me a talkback if I'm not responding. Or, as you did, post on my talk page - I do get a notification of that.--SPhilbrickT 11:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Re Web Hosting Stuff

Sorry, but you still have a ways to go. There are debates on Wikipedia about how many sources (qualifying as a reliable source) are needed, and in rare instances, one is enough, but it has to be quite good. IMO opinion web hosting stuff does not meet the requirements. They host reviews, but anyone could write a review. I tried, and it looks like I could write one. If they prohibit the company itself from writing a review about themselves, I didn't see it. The review on OurInternet.us was clearly written by someone close to the company.

I grant that I didn't look closely, and I may have misunderstood the site. If you would like another opinion, the formal way to determine whether a source qualifies as a reliable source is to ask at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I checked the archives, and did not see that it has been discussed in the past. --SPhilbrickT 11:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi SPhilbrick - thanks for your feedback and information. Regarding sources - in the web hosting field there is a type of review sites that are making reviews using a similar template structure. But all of them are pre-moderated. What about another OurInternet review http://www.bestresellerwebhost.com/articles19.html. Does it qualify?

Bdgls (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Moderation helps a lot. I missed the evidence of moderation. However, I think even a moderated review is far weaker than discussion in newspapers or general news magazines. Is there any such coverage?--SPhilbrickT 13:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no newspaper/magazine articles at the moment... Hope this can be added later, when expanding the content part of OurInternet Wikipedia page. Can the page go live in the current edition?

Bdgls (talk) 14:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I would counsel against it, but it is your call. (You can click on the move button). If I saw the article tagged for deletion, I would delete it (except I have a personal rule that I try to avoid deleting articles when I'm in discussion with the main editor, but had I not had a conversation with you, and saw it as is, I would support deletion.) However, I am sometimes surprised at what survives deletion requests and what doesn't, so I could be wrong. --SPhilbrickT 14:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. The main drawback of the current version is the lack of authority reference sources as I understand? But not all of the content in Wikipedia, especially in the niche fields has them. I guess it's a very common issue for the start-up niche pages, but now the article thanks to your help looks much better.

Bdgls (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that is the main concern.--SPhilbrickT 15:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help! Moved the article to the open space. Hopefully, editors understand that the new authority reference sources will be added as the content grows.

Speedy deletion nomination of Ourinternet

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