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Thanks for dropping by!! Come back sometime. Mature article? What Mature article? Richiar 06:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for comment. Nice Archive box. Your help is appreciated. I'll look at the ACIM sometime. Richiar 20:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cherub

Hi! I responded to your comment on Talk:Cherub. Best, --Shirahadasha 21:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The_Crest_Jewel_of_Wisdom

Hello, I noticed your work on Wikisource on Shankara, on the talk page of that project I placed the PDF from Internet Archive showing Devanagari with English as it was originally published. Devanagari is a bit challenging to transcribe correctly from the PDF so I also placed an annex on that talk page with the Devanagari and Romanized Tanscription with diacritics in Unicode for inclusion with the article. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:The_Crest_Jewel_of_Wisdom B9 hummingbird hovering^{(talk • contribs)} 00:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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+| <div align="center">|<span style="color: #008080; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><!-- I welcome you as a friend.<br>You have reasons for what you say.<br>You have reasons for how you feel.<br>Speak and be heard.<br>Ask and be answered.<br>All are blessed. --></span>
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-*[[User_talk:Antireconciler/Archive 1|Archive 1: 17 April 2006 - 21 July 2006]]
+*[[User_talk:Antireconciler/Honors|Honors]]
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-==ACIM==
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-*The ACIM article is no longer protected. I have done some basic housekeeping that was, IMHO, logical and well documented. I would appreciate your help.--[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 22:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
+I've done what you asked. While very short archives are not optimal, I wouldn't suggest fussing over them in the future. It's better to leave things like that as they were.  Cheers, -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 08:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
-::Sure. I've tried to help out a little, but my time is limited here. Consider the argument I've made against the claim of original research in [[ACIM]]'s discussion. I think it is right, but if you find it unhelpful, let me know. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
+==Thanks  ==
-:::My time is limited too. I had no intention of becoming this involved in the article. I do think the material is of great importance and should have a good set of articles. I understand your argument about OR but it is a foundational element of WP. People have claimed that the article is not sourced. I disagree with this. The problem is that it is not cited properly. I have recently ordered a few books so that I can help in the citing (and re-writing if necessary).--[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 17:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
+Thanks for dropping by!! Come back sometime. Mature article? What Mature article? [[User:Richiar|Richiar]] 06:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
+:Thanks for comment. Nice Archive box. Your help is appreciated. I'll look at the ACIM sometime. [[User:Richiar|Richiar]] 20:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
+== [[Cherub]] ==
-::Simultaneously, I'm not especially concerned if ACIM ends up as a short stub-like article. The principles of ACIM are easy enough to derive, no one in their right mind could miss it if they looked. It's somewhat like insisting that Wikipedia carry a multiplication table. Just because some editors wouldn't understand that 5 * 6 = 30 need not be sourced because it is evident, if it were not at Wikipedia, five times six would still equal thirty and it would still be evident. Whatever wisdom ACIM has catalyzed for me, it is primarily useless. It cannot be used in any way, for any end. It just is. I can't use it as if it were a tool. I can't bring light to anyone. What an empty gesture to suppose they didn't have light beforehand. So much time I've spent on this thinking I could spend time, and that spending time would help me, but I look at all I've given and spent and all of it is nothing. I have gained the obvious for nothing and for nothing. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 02:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
+Hi! I responded to your comment on [[Talk:Cherub]]. Best, --[[User:Shirahadasha|Shirahadasha]] 21:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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-:::BTW, I added your page to my watchlist so I should be alerted to your responses here. I believe that ACIM should be more than a stub. The problem is that none of us are in our right mind. It is like the fish saying, "Where is the water?". I do not understand your comment about the wisdom that you have realized with the help of ACIM being useless. What is the old story about us not being able to see the moon for someone but we can point to it.--[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 18:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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-::::Boiled down, my argument is that logic is not OR, and that ACIM is logic. WP:OR is important, it's that ACIM couldn't violate it. Note that this is why it's no problem if ACIM ends up stub-like. ACIM is like a book of right-thinking ... but right-thinking to the right-thinking is not rare or difficult, for wrong-thinking to the right-thinking is harmless misunderstanding. And it is harmless. People can get obsessed with crusading against their wrong-thinking as if it was their bitter enemy, but what are these people fighting? Is misunderstanding something anyone can fight against? Surely understanding is good, but right-understanding is for the sake of curiosity, and is so natural you instead think "what is this I see that I wish to destroy and silence?" and what will you see except yourself? They look in mirrors and fight with their images, not recognizing that they are the same thing as what they are fighting. Notice that something cannot both apply and not apply to the same thing in the same respect at the same time, unless contradictions are true. If I can fight with myself (be wrong-thinking, or, not in my right mind) then I can only fight myself in so far as contradictions are true, because fighting myself is the same as fighting against something that I think applies to mirror-me, and that I think does not apply to me, and yet mirror-me ''is'' me. Do you understand? If mirror-me is not me (if I am in my wrong-mind), then contradiction follows. This is why I can't be in my wrong-mind, and why you can be either.
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-::::Also notice that if the fish asks "Where is the water?" and that this is wrong-mindedness, then, by analogy, as I take it, our asking "where is the truth?" is similarly wrong-minded. It follows that truth is obvious and that it can't matter if ACIM ends up stub-like if what it explains is truth. It also follows from what I said before (that I can't be in my wrong-mind), that if I ask "where is the truth?" I can't actually be asking this question. If I say these words, I am not asking this question, but making a nonsensical assertion. But nonsensical assertions are harmless because harm can't come from nonsense. If harm could come from nonsense, then something could come from nothing, which is what nonsense is, or don't you agree? Since something cannot come from nothing, nothing could ''cause'' me to be in my wrong-mind, since causes are things. Again we must conclude that I am in my right mind, and so must you be too. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 21:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
+== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] nomination of [[Erika (singer)]] ==
-:::::I agree that logic is not OR and that ACIM is logical. Pure logic has its own beauty. Problems arise when logic is applied to the world of form. I do not know if you like Sci-Fi. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country comes to mind. The segment where Spock speaks of logic as the beginning of wisdom. I see ACIM as a path to lead us from wrong-thinking to right-thinking. You are correct that we need not crusade against wrong-thinking but should focus instead on right-thinking. We do look in mirrors and fight with ourselves. A problem is that we are insane and create worlds where wrong-thinking seems true. The images we fight are our own images that we create. It is the dissolution of the insanity of separation that will return oneness to our awareness.
+[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|left|48px|]]An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion process|deletion]]. The nominated article is [[Erika (singer)]]. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also [[Wikipedia:Notability]] and "[[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]").
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-:::::I agree that nonsense comes from nothing. We have created nonsense from nothing and it is there it will return. Nothing external to ourselves can cause us to be in our wrong-mind. We have seemingly done it to ourselves. We ''are'' in our right-mind but alas, we do not realize it. ACIM is a path to guide us to that realization.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 15:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
+You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the [[WP:AfD|articles for deletion]] template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.
-::::::It's rare enough for someone to engage comments like this, so I won't be like those who glance over it and shake it off. At the same time, we're only talking and I talk about it because I find it enjoyable to think and talk about. You mention that "a problem is that we are insane and create worlds where wrong-thinking seems true." Then, you would agree that insane thinking is creating worlds where wrong-thinking seems true? And also that it is insane to even think that what is made from wrong-thinking is true? Let's also agree that insanity is wrong-thinking, and that wrong-thinking is insanity. So, we are insane because we create worlds were insanity seems true, and we are insane to even think that what is made from insanity is true. If it is insane to think that what is made from insanity is true, then we are right in thinking that what is made from insanity is false. This means that we are right in thinking that insanity makes nothing. Now, if nothing comes of something, then that something may as well not exist, because it is behaving as if it did not, and we would have no reason to say that it actually did existed because we couldn't distinguish it from non-existence. So, we are right in saying that insanity does not exist because there is nothing that it is. When we say "a problem is that we are insane..." we must then be saying that "a problem is that nothing" because nothing follows from insanity. If a problem is that nothing, then a problem is ''not'' that something, which is the same as saying there are no problems! What a relief! <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 15:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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-:::::::Yes, it is rare enough to even think along these lines. I do find it enjoyable to think and talk about as well. I agree with the first half above. When you say, "This means that we are right in thinking that insanity makes nothing.", I think we get into the contradiction you were discussing earlier. Logically, insanity makes what is false. Is what is false nothing? I think it is. However, it may seem like something in time. It may exist in time but not in reality. I do get lost in long streams of thought. There remains one problem as long as the mind is insane: the appearance of separation.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 16:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
+==The_Crest_Jewel_of_Wisdom==
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+Hello, I noticed your work on Wikisource on Shankara, on the talk page of that project I placed the PDF from Internet Archive showing Devanagari with English as it was originally published. Devanagari is a bit challenging to transcribe correctly from the PDF so I also placed an annex on that talk page with the Devanagari and Romanized Tanscription with diacritics in Unicode for inclusion with the article. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:The_Crest_Jewel_of_Wisdom
-I apologize for writing in long strings. There is little I enjoy more than when two understand each other completely. You are right that we are continuing our thought about the contradiction I mentioned earlier. Again, I want to draw from your words toward conclusion. You state, "Logically, insanity makes what is false. Is what is false nothing? I think it is." You agree then that the false is nothing? Since you say "insanity makes what is false", then if the false is nothing, then perhaps you agree that ''insanity makes nothing'' (this will be our first point).
+[[User:B9 hummingbird hovering|<span style="color:cyan;">B9 hummingbird hovering</span>]]<sup> ([[User talk:B9 hummingbird hovering|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/B9 hummingbird hovering|contribs]])</sup> 00:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
-I probably skipped steps last time at this point, so let me be more careful. The question now is "is insanity something?" and either insanity is something or it is nothing. If it is something, then this means simply that this something is making nothing. I will want to say that it is impossible for something to create nothing. If this is true, it would mean that insanity would have to be nothing, and not something. If insanity is nothing, then something, like the mind, could not be insane, or have that characteristic, or else ''something'' (the mind) would be ''nothing'' (insane) and something cannot be nothing.
-Furthermore, since insanity is nothing, it can't be a problem. Being a problem means ''something'' is problem (nothing can't be a problem for the same reason it can't be anything else). If all this is true, then we cannot say that "there remains one problem as long as the mind is insane: the appearance of separation." For if the mind cannot be insane, then the necessary condition for there being a problem does not obtain, which means that the appearance of separation is just that, an appearance, and not actually a problem. Can an appearance after all be a problem? If appearances ''are'' false, as we agreed, and the false is nothing, then this question is the same as "Can nothing be a problem?" Surely not.
-So what I've said has relied on the impossibility of something being able to create nothing, which we should return to if you were not at first convinced that this must be true. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 06:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:You do not need to apologize. Sometimes I find I am exhausted. If what ACIM says is true, and I believe that it is, we are making our own world from moment to moment in opposition to God. This includes making time and space. ACIM and other spiritual books and paths teach that reality is in the present moment, "Be Here Now". In order to communicate verbally we need to distort the present moment into the appearance of time. The longer the train of thought, the more we have to distort. If we did not do this distortion then words would have no meaning, sentences and longer discourse would not hold together. The more we distort the moment the less peace we have. This is a long digression but this is my experience at times. I get tired. :~)
-:The first question you bring up is, Does false=nothing? From a pure logic standpoint I do not think we can say this. In time false seems like something. The reason I think that it is true is based on my study of ACIM. The reason why I tend to believe the material in ACIM is that I have had many "paranormal" experiences. ACIM is the only work that I have studied that puts them all in a logical framework. If I completely believed in ACIM I would not be here in physical form to be typing on this keyboard. As I have more belief in ACIM than doubt then I can say a part of me thinks false is nothing and insanity makes nothing.
-:It seems part of the problem here is level confusion (ACIM talk). There is reality and there is the distortion of reality where we make our worlds of space and time. In this distortion what is not real seems real, what is nothing seems like something. So here we have our contradiction. In time, insanity seems like something as it seems part of our mind is insane. At time's end, which is now, insanity is nothing and the mind is not insane. The problem is that we seem caught in this distortion and so what is nothing seems like something. So, part of me thinks insanity is nothing and the mind cannot be insane. Part of me perceives the insanity.
-:In time there is a problem. The problem ends when we collapse time and return our awareness to the present moment.
-:The power of our mind is so great that it seems to be able to create the appearance of nothing and then become entangled in what it has made. Does any of this make any sense to you?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 14:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-::I'm very grateful for your full response. It shows that you have clearly given this much thought, and that the matter is important to you. Please excuse my slow response in turn. I'd simply like some time to rethink my actions before continuing. While before I thought it was good to examine situations with others on a logical and theoretical level alone, I now think there is something to this that I'm missing. There's an important element of actually living consistent with theory, and I'm not so sure that I do. I'd like to give this more thought, so please excuse me from our conversation as we've been proceeding until now. Again, I'm all too grateful for your company. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 05:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
-:::No problem. I have had our discussion in mind. It seems that we live in worlds where nothing seems like something. As ACIM would say, it is insane and upside-down. Take the logical argument A=B,B=C,A<=>C. A<=>C is false but is it nothing? It does help to illustrate a logical argument. Look at the story of Edison and the light bulb. After 99 experiments that failed or were false he had done nothing. But, he had found 99 ways it would not work. For me to accept something it must be logical. For me, logic alone has not led me to Truth. I find it must be experiential in a way that a fundamental way in which I think occurs. Call it a paradigm shift. Imagine what it took for people to begin to accept as "real" that the Earth is not flat and that even we seem to be still, we are moving at very high speed (I have not even internalized even that yet). :~) <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 21:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
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-Thanks for helping with the ACIM article. I made a slight change to your recent changes. The Introduction is part of the book. It is therefore the Introduction of the book. Hope this makes sense.--[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 17:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
-:Good call <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 21:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
-There is a problem with the duplication of the references. It seems the first set of references need to be merged with the notes section using the WP referencing system. Do you know how to do this?--[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 18:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
-== Thank you ==
-Thanks!<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 13:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
-== Well Deserved ==
-{{award2|image=Surreal barnstar.png|size=100px|topic=The Surreal Barnstar|text=Awarded for adding his special flair to WP as well as staying and working on the the difficult article [[A Course in Miracles]] <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 14:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC) }}
-:Thank you, Who123.  ^_^ <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 14:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
-== ACIM 2 ==
-I have re-written the Terminology section. Please let me know what you think.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><strong>123</strong></font>]] 18:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
-:It probably needed it. I think in general it is better to use direct quotes only where you can't say something better yourself, because we will want to know when we read it, "why has the author used a quote here?", and you've used quite a few. It definitely does it's job though. I can tinker with it if you welcome this. Take care, <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 23:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
-::I could not think of a better way to say what I quoted. I think it is much better than what was there before, do you agree? Yes, please tinker with it. I decided to do this section because I had the book. The others are ordered.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 00:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:::I'm glad you revised this part. If I hesitate to embrace the section fully, it is not because it is not an important edit, but that I think the author of your book is not as clear as he could be. I think it is important not to break WP:NOR, but I find myself wanting to modify the quotations to make the content clearer. I'm probably somewhat of a perfectionist. I think our most important task then is to find and use information from these sources that is most clear, and best catalyzes the reader's understanding. In many ways, the section already does this, but my fear is that the section has grown beyond its original boundaries, and is spilling into other sections. This is not a fault of yours, but of the holistic nature of the material. It is difficult to present single aspects and topics where they really all collapse into each other. Still, I think we should have a very clear message we want to communicate in this section, and we will want that message to be an important element of the reader's understanding of the whole when (s)he completes a read of the article for the first time. When I read the section, my thought is "how will this help?" but it seems almost obvious that the Course is going to use a modified vocabulary, that's what learning is after all. Is it important for the reader to understand that the vocabulary is a little different? It seems not. So what can we communicate in this section that will give the reader a stronger grasp of what they are reading about? I believe there is something important to communicate concerning vocabulary, but I think we've shot our arrow with only a general idea of the target. I think we likely only need alter our aim little, but, first, let's be specific about our target. Are you understanding? I write a lot for a very subtle thought, but being subtle, it is difficult for me to pin down. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 05:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-==ACIM 3==
-Thanks for the note. That's nice of you. In truth, it's probably not justified for me to say that Ste4k chased me away. I left because it seems like I come across editors like her every other month or so, and it gets very stressful. I'm not accustomed to having to argue with others about what I write. Plus, I have other things I have to work on, and Wikipedia was keeping me from them. I will most likely always read Wikipedia, but contributing to articles is too stressful and difficult for me. Thanks, though. :) [[User:Andrew Parodi|Andrew Parodi]] 08:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:I do not like conflict or arguing either. I am hoping that Ste4k was an anomaly. It seems that a general concern for many articles at WP is that they are either not sourced or cited. Ste4k seemed to carry these policies beyond reason. If I run into someone like Ste4k every month I probably will leave as well. Hopefully things will be better here and you will change your mind.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 12:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]], thanks for the edit at the ACIM article. It reads much better. I am going to hold on that article for now until the books that I ordered arrive and I have a chance to read through them. Will work on the EA article. I also need to learn to use the WP reference system. Is it difficult?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 12:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:Quite honestly, I don't know how to use WP's reference style that well either. I more or less duplicated what I saw at other articles, and briefly referenced the style guides. The notes at [[ACIM]] are probably wanting, but we have enough to polish them later at some point. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 17:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-::My WP project list is to work on the EA article and then begin to study the WP citation system until the ACIM books arrive. For now I will use the Harvard referencing system. I think the references can all be fine tuned when the article is in better shape. It is a pleasure working with you on this.
-::BTW, how about the new sig?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 17:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:::Oh, thanks ^_^. Likewise. I might think you are [[User:Who123]] masquerading as [[User:Who]] with a your current sig, so I think I like the one you used just before this one best. As for your plan: fair enough. I'll help where I can, although I won't be around very often. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 19:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-::::OK, will revert sig although I doubt I will cross paths with "Who". I have cleaned up the EA article the best that I can. Can you copy the ACIM Litigation references to the section in the EA article?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font>]] 20:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-== EA ==
-Thanks for looking at the EA article. From what I have read here the numbered references go in the Notes section. This leaves the Reference section open for Harvard referencing system. There seem to be perhaps two important references that have been left off. Let me put what you have done in Notes and put the missing references back in References. Let me know and we can discuss it. Thanks!<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 03:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-Nevermind, I see you are working on it. Thanks!<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 03:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-:Ah, I'd forgotten that you had a referencing system picked out. If you're going to use the [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Harvard_referencing|Harvard style]], it might be best to revert my changes. I was beginning to work off the [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Footnotes|Footnotes style]]. Let me know what you'd prefer. I'll need to read up on your citation style ... <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 03:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-::I am only using the Harvard system for now because I have not learned WP's yet. How about if I just put all the work you did under notes and then that leaves the references open? I am still pretty lost when it comes to referencing (as i am sure you have noticed).<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 03:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-::I am not sure but I think the [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Footnotes|Footnotes style]] is supposed to go under notes. See the article itself and how they put the references under "Notes" not "References". :~)  <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 03:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-:Near the end of [[Endeavor Academy]] you mention ref 4 and ref 6. I'm having trouble making sense of it ... <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 03:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-::ref 4 and ref 6 are from the ACIM article for the litigation section. Also, both of the CBS transcripts plus a couple of other references perhaps should be added to the ? Cult section.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 03:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-Thanks for all the help with the references! What do you think of the article now? I knew little about EA except for the ACIM lawsuit. I am glad that ACIM was made public domain as FACIM/FIP was ruling with an iron fist. I spent most of the day trying to find more sources and source the article. I sourced everything I could but some I just could not source. Most of what was left was not worth much so I removed it. The group sounds fairly cultish to me but some seem to be happy there. CBS would not call it a cult and I do not think we should either. They just raised the question. The sources are not that great but there is not much out there that I could find. Anyway, let me know what you think.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 04:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-:You're very welcome ^_^. I think the article is looking much better then when [[User:Ste4k|Ste4k]] nominated it for deletion. It seems much more professional now, and it looks and sounds like you really spent some time with it. You've done good work. I think I will give it another good close look and see how it reads, and I'm also trying to secure an image we can use. [[User:Ste4k|Ste4k]] was right to flag the previous image since there is no real content at endeavoracademy.org, which is where the image is supposed to have come from. I'll keep looking, though. It would also be very good if we could find an acceptable image for [[A Course in Miracles]]. I'll also look into this. Take care as always, <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 05:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
-::A problem with images is copyright. I cannot think at the moment of a useful public domain image for either article. Thanks for your words. Is is proving to be a useful article for me not only for the content but learning more about how WP works. I think I will continue to work on it esp. the one section and the references. You are correct that there is little useful content at endeavoracademy.org. Too much flowery language and too few facts or even useful writing.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 20:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
-:::I've left a message with Glad at Endeavor Academy who appearantly has the authority to grant us permission to use one of Endeavor Academy's images. I've asked if we can use [http://newsletter.endeavoracademy.com/images/ea_logo.gif EA's logo]. An image should really help, so it will be nice if it works out. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 00:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-::::An image does set off an article. After reading "Boddi's" website and the other accounts, I do not know how EA will react to the article. I would like to see more factual information on their website. It would also be nice to find more positive reviews written by former students.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 04:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-I studied the citing system today. You are right, it is not that hard. I thought there was some program to download but the article was referring to the program that runs WP. There were a few references in the article that were just embedded web links. I converted these so they now conform and are displayed in the Notes section. You may wish to look it over. It seems complete to me. My last suggestions in Talk are removing 2 tags and archiving most of the notes. Any other thoughts?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 22:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
-LOL. Is there an article on "God Bobby Boulders"? Did you ever hear back from EA?<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 16:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-== Your Main Page ==
-A little help. Where can I find the boxes to the right that explain a bit about yourself? I have seen others use them. Thanks<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 04:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-:[[Wikipedia:Userboxes]] has everything you need. I prefer to make my own using the code they provide at the bottom of the article, but I had to upload my own images to [[wikicommons]] first. They're pretty fun ^_^. BTW, apparently "grey" isn't a color according to [[Internet Explorer]], so I didn't realize half my page that was grey in [[Firefox]], which is what I use most of the time (mostly for the built in spellchecker), was actually white and unreadable to 80% of the rest of the world. Not good. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 05:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-::Thanks much. I will check it out. I use an add-on free spell-checker with IE 6. If interested, let me know. I think IE 7 is due out soon and is available now in beta. I do not know if it has a spell-check or not. It would be great if it included the one that is in Office.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 13:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-:::Sugoi! I'm using IE 7 beta 3, and it's ''very'' nice. Adding a spell checker probably makes it nicer than Firefox ... which I never thought I'd say about IE. The tabbed browsing is very well done. Still, I can't make this one underline misspelled words live like in a word processor ... <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 15:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-::::I took the liberty of just copying your message box and then playing with it. There was a lot of stuff at the bottom that I did not understand and so removed it. I then added some boxes. I did keep two of yours as they apply to me as well. If you mind let me know. Thanks so much for helping me with this! If you do not mind, take a look at my page. I would appreciate any help, suggestions, and ideas because I really do not know what I am doing. I have not looked at IE 7, just knew it was there.<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 16:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-:::::Lol, of course that's okay, and I'm glad it helped. I figure userpages can look however you want. I treat mine like a sandbox where I just experiment with different things. It has a lot of stuff commented out so I can keep playing with it without it appearing on my page. <span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Antireconciler|<span style="color:#B22222;font-variant:small-caps;">Anti</span><span style="color:#CD950C;font-variant:small-caps;">reconciler</span>]] <span style="color:grey;">&loz;</span>[[User_talk:Antireconciler|<span style="vertical-align:super;font-size:smaller;color:grey;"> talk</span>]] 22:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
-== What is ''A Course in Miracles''? ==
-I have been working on a new section for the ACIM article. I am still working on it. Much of it is/are quotes. Would you mind taking a look at it? I just received the book and highlighted parts of chapter 2. Then I found that Robert has chapter 2 on the net, so you can look at the entire chapter if you want.
-[[User:Who123/What Is ACIM?]]<span style="color:grey;">&mdash;</span>[[User:Who123|<font color="#1E90FF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Who</strong></font><font color="#9400D3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">123</font>]] 23:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)