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Image:040107_Penny_03.jpg

Image:040107_Penny_03.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by PennyTration (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Videmus Omnia ^Talk 00:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Transwiki to commons, no pun intended. It's PD, not orphaned anymore, and is useful for numerous articles related to Transgender. – ornis ⚙ 05:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not deleted, marked for move to Commons. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:Groening.JPG

Image:Groening.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by CoolKid1993 (notify | contribs).

Orphan, possibly unfree. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 00:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally took the photograph. I attended the Simpsons event at Comic-Con 2007. I took the picture. It is not fair use. It is not unfree. I will take a picture of the picture on my camera if you want me to. CoolKid1993 02:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The problem is that it's not a picture of Groening, but a picture of a television monitor displaying Groening. It's therefore a derivative work and non-free. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 01:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, if you took it in person, and not of a monitor, why is it all flat looking? --Knulclunk 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Gardner-maguire.jpg

Image:Gardner-maguire.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lesfer (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in Green Lantern Secret Files.- J Greb 00:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Cartel1.xls

Image:Cartel1.xls (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Conte_di_Cavour (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, deprecated format. But|seriously|folks 00:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Major Victory 1.jpg

Image:Major Victory 1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Master Edition published in 1990.- J Greb 00:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Male kymellian.jpg

Image:Male kymellian.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Delux Edition.- J Greb 00:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Male rigellian1.jpg

Image:Male rigellian1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Delux Edition.- J Greb 00:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Vance Astro.JPG

Image:Vance Astro.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Michael Reiter (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe published in 1985.- J Greb 01:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this listed for deletion?

There isn't much background to speak of...

And despite it being from the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe, the source was listed along with the year of publication along with the illustrator...

I say it should be kept

Michael 20:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop when you get to it having been lifted from Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe. Based on the guide lines for fair use, we cannot take images from other encyclopedias or like publications. Period.

The character has seen use in other stories and covers published by Marvel Comics. Those are the sources to pull the image from. - J Greb 20:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Smartship friday.jpg

Image:Smartship friday.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Delux Edition.- J Greb 01:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TanaNile1.jpg

Image:TanaNile1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Master Edition published in 1990.- J Greb 01:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Rigel Analyzer.jpg

Image:Rigel Analyzer.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ksofen666 (notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Master Edition published in 1990.- J Greb 01:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Remarkable_Fidgety_River_Title.jpg

Image:Remarkable_Fidgety_River_Title.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JohnDBuell (notify | contribs).

Image shows credit for television episode and "provides proof of their early writing projects, and their early collaboration (relative to their careers)". Image's content can wholly be reproduced textually, failing WP:NFCC#1. Rationale as "proof" unnecessary as episode can be referenced by the article ({{cite episode}}) for that purpose. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 07:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:The_Pirate_Planet_Writers_Credit.jpg

Image:The_Pirate_Planet_Writers_Credit.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JohnDBuell (notify | contribs).

Image shows credit for television episode and is "historically important proof for the author's early work". Image's content can wholly be reproduced textually, failing WP:NFCC#1. Rationale as "proof" unnecessary as episode can be referenced by the article ({{cite episode}}) for that purpose. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 07:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg

Image:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Melromero (notify | contribs).

There's no fair use rationale on this picture. Wikimedia Commons has lots of pictures of Pinochet, and two of them are very good portraits (Image:Pinochet de Civil.jpg; Image:Augusto Pinochet - 1995.jpg) and can be used perfectly in the article, therefore there's no need to use non free media. Dantadd 12:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense... both images referred are probably non-free (and definitely not good portraits) as anybody can see, since they were candid shots. The image in question is an OFFICIAL image, that falls under the Chilean law category of "in the public domain". Mel Romero 00:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment commons:Template talk:PD-Chile#Administrative source also mentions that official works of the govt. are in the public domain. This should be looked into further before the image is removed. John Vandenberg 02:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The question is quite simple: if the picture is PD we can upload it on Commons and the problem is solved. If the picture is not free to use, there is absolutely no fair use RATIONALE because there is more than one free picture that can be used, despite not being so perfect. If we always want "perfect" pictures (therefore not using not-as-perfect-Commons-pictures) the guidelines for non free media of the Wikimedia Foundation can be thrown in the garbage. Dantadd 12:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, upload it to Commons. Better than Pinochet pictured at Wikipedia as a candid guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.42.222 (talk) 21:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Before uploading it to Commons we have to be sure that this picture is PD. There is a discussion going on here: commons:Template talk:PD-Chile. Dantadd 22:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Batman_dead_end.jpg

Image:Batman_dead_end.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Doctor_Doomsday (notify | contribs).

already have one other nonfree poster for the same move - only need one Calliopejen1 14:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Batman_dead_end.jpg

Image:Batman_dead_end.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Doctor_Doomsday (notify | contribs).

already have one other nonfree poster for the same move - only need one Calliopejen1 14:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

this image is not necessary considering how many free images we have of josephine baker (about a dozen, spanning from the 1920s to the 1950s). the main editor of the page argues it's being used to show the costumes she's known for, but these aren't discussed anywhere in the main text and he keeps moving it to the top of the article to be the article's main image. we could describe these costumes in words and readers would know no less about baker Calliopejen1 19:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another user has also raised this issue at Talk:Josephine Baker (though I'm not sure which particular images he was referring to). Calliopejen1 19:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

actually, with regard to the "free" images, there are only 3 that are not the typical banana images from the 20s. I have uploaded images before that are far more representative of Baker as she looked as a performer, but they are always challenged by Calliopejen1, in spite of the fact that I clearly give a rationale that is logical. Free images uploaded into the commons or not, I really dont see why it is being made into such a stink. The images have been fully justified and do not infringe on any of teh copyright holders. I have requested that Calliopejen1 should help to find a way to keep the images rather than trying to get rid of them, by assisting me in choosing the proper way in which to give a rationale for an image when "free" ones are available. --Mrlopez2681 20:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just me making a stink. There were also other users on the talk page, and the admin who agreed that I was right and deleted the other nonfree images earlier. And the commons images are the reasons for the stink! By my count, there are four banana pictures, four other 1920s pictures, and four later pictures (last ones from 1951). This is plenty of pictures to illustrate the article. The problem is not that a new rationale should be written, it is that different (free) pictures should be used, because Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia. Calliopejen1 20:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ethiopian Flag.jpg

Image:Ethiopian Flag.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Calala (notify | contribs).

UE, OR, LQ and suspected CV: Uploader replaced the official Ethiopian flag with this image in the Ethiopia article. The tree emblem is an Oromo reference (compare Image:Et oromo.png, Image:Oromia flag.gif). Might be encyclopedic if it can be demonstrated that this is in wide political/activist use (and assuming that the other problems can be resolved). Orphaned as of this writing. Note the color variation; these should be solid colors. This, in turn, suggests this is a copy of a copy, and thus a possible copyvio. Gyrofrog (talk) 22:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this section. ''
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 ====[[:Image:040107_Penny_03.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:040107_Penny_03.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:040107_Penny_03.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:040107_Penny_03.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:040107_Penny_03.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:040107_Penny_03.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:PennyTration#Image:040107_Penny_03.jpg listed for deletion|PennyTration]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:PennyTration|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/PennyTration|contribs]]).
 *Orphaned, Unencyclopedic [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| <sup>Talk</sup> ]] 00:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Transwiki''' to commons, no pun intended. It's PD, not orphaned anymore, and is useful for numerous articles related to [[Transgender]]. [[User:ConfuciusOrnis|<span style="color: #737CA1; font-family: arial black;">&nbsp;–&nbsp; ornis</span>]][[User talk:ConfuciusOrnis|<span style="color: #C11B17; font-size: small;">⚙</span>]] 05:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
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+* Not deleted, marked for move to Commons. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Special:Random|random]])</sup> 21:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this section.'' <!--Template:Ffd bottom--></div>
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 *Orphan, possibly unfree. [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| <sup>Talk</sup> ]] 00:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 **I personally took the photograph. I attended the Simpsons event at Comic-Con 2007. I took the picture. It is not fair use. It is not unfree. I will take a picture of the picture on my camera if you want me to. [[User:CoolKid1993|CoolKid1993]] 02:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
+***The problem is that it's not a picture of Groening, but a picture of a television monitor displaying Groening. It's therefore a [[derivative work]] and non-free. [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| <sup>Talk</sup> ]] 01:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+:So, if you took it in person, and not of a monitor, why is it all flat looking? --[[User:Knulclunk|Knulclunk]] 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:Cartel1.xls}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:Cartel1.xls|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:Cartel1.xls}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:Cartel1.xls}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:Cartel1.xls}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Conte_di_Cavour#Image:Cartel1.xls listed for deletion|Conte_di_Cavour]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Conte_di_Cavour|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Conte_di_Cavour|contribs]]).
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+*Orphaned, deprecated format. '''<span style="background:Black;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Bsf|<span style="color: White;">But</span>]]|[[User talk:Bsf|<span style="color: White;">seriously</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Butseriouslyfolks|<span style="color: White;">folks</span>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 00:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:Vance Astro.JPG}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:Vance Astro.JPG|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:Vance Astro.JPG}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:Vance Astro.JPG}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:Vance Astro.JPG}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Michael Reiter#Image:Vance Astro.JPG listed for deletion|Michael Reiter]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Michael Reiter|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Michael Reiter|contribs]]).
 *The image runs counter to the information here: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use"]] and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in ''The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe'' published in 1985.- [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] 01:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
+:Why is this listed for deletion?
+:There isn't much background to speak of...
+:And despite it being from the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe, the source was listed along with the year of publication along with the illustrator...
+:I say it should be kept
+:[[User:Michael Reiter|Michael]] 20:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
+::Stop when you get to it having been lifted from ''Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe''. Based on the guide lines for fair use, we '''cannot''' take images from other encyclopedias or like publications. Period.
+::The character has seen use in other stories and covers published by Marvel Comics. Those are the sources to pull the image from. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] 20:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 ====[[:Image:Smartship friday.jpg]]====
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 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Melromero#Image:Augusto Pinochet Main.jpg listed for deletion|Melromero]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Melromero|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Melromero|contribs]]).
 *There's no fair use rationale on this picture. Wikimedia Commons has lots of pictures of Pinochet, and two of them are very good portraits ([[:Image:Pinochet de Civil.jpg]]; [[:Image:Augusto Pinochet - 1995.jpg]]) and can be used perfectly in the article, therefore there's no need to use non free media. [[User:Dantadd|Dantadd]] 12:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
+:: Nonsense... both images referred are probably non-free (and definitely not good portraits) as anybody can see, since they were candid shots. The image in question is an OFFICIAL image, that falls under the Chilean law category of "in the public domain". [[User:Melromero|Mel Romero]] 00:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+* '''Comment''' [[commons:Template talk:PD-Chile#Administrative source]] also mentions that official works of the govt. are in the public domain.  This should be looked into further before the image is removed. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 02:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+::The question is quite simple: if the picture is PD we can upload it on Commons and the problem is solved. If the picture is not free to use, there is absolutely no fair use RATIONALE because there is more than one free picture that can be used, despite not being so perfect. If we always want "perfect" pictures (therefore not using not-as-perfect-Commons-pictures) the guidelines for non free media of the Wikimedia Foundation can be thrown in the garbage. [[User:Dantadd|Dantadd]] 12:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+So, upload it to Commons. Better than Pinochet pictured at Wikipedia as a candid guy.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.17.42.222|201.17.42.222]] ([[User talk:201.17.42.222|talk]]) 21:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+::Before uploading it to Commons we have to be sure that this picture is PD. There is a discussion going on here: [[commons:Template talk:PD-Chile]]. [[User:Dantadd|Dantadd]] 22:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 ====[[:Image:Batman_dead_end.jpg]]====