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:''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a '''successful''' [[wikipedia:requests for adminship|request for adminship]]. <strong style="color:red">Please do not modify it</strong>.[[Category:Successful requests for adminship|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]'' |
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===[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jmh649|Jmh649]]=== |
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:'''Final (103/18/14). Close as successful by [[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]] at 08:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)''' |
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<span class="plainlinks">'''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jmh649|action=edit§ion=5}} <font color="#002BB8">Voice your opinion on this candidate</font>]'''</span> ([[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Jmh649|talk page]]) |
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* I'd suggest postponing this RFA, at least until August 17, 2010. Soxred's tool is currently down, so we are unable to provide any data regarding the amount of edits Jmh649 has made on the English Wikipedia. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 11:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
* I'd suggest postponing this RFA, at least until August 17, 2010. Soxred's tool is currently down, so we are unable to provide any data regarding the amount of edits Jmh649 has made on the English Wikipedia. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 11:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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**I find it slightly upsetting to think that anyone would try to postpone an RfA because that tool of Soxred's was down. The reason it was down if you read the message was so we could all think about what it was meant for and to try to live without it. [[User:1234r00t|<span style='color:#383132'><i><u><b>Mr. R00t</b></u></i></span>]] [[User Talk:1234r00t| <span style="color:#46520C"><sup><u><i>Talk</i></u></sup></span>]] 23:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
**I find it slightly upsetting to think that anyone would try to postpone an RfA because that tool of Soxred's was down. The reason it was down if you read the message was so we could all think about what it was meant for and to try to live without it. [[User:1234r00t|<span style='color:#383132'><i><u><b>Mr. R00t</b></u></i></span>]] [[User Talk:1234r00t| <span style="color:#46520C"><sup><u><i>Talk</i></u></sup></span>]] 23:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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***Yes we have data. According to [[Wikipedia:EDITS]] he had more than 25,000 edits as of late June. We have plenty of ways to actually look at those edits and if one tool isn't available I suggest people check his contributions in other ways. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers |
***Yes we have data. According to [[Wikipedia:EDITS]] he had more than 25,000 edits as of late June. We have plenty of ways to actually look at those edits and if one tool isn't available I suggest people check his contributions in other ways. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 12:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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**** [http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Jmh649&dbname=enwiki_p This] is OK, but Wikichecker, on the other hand, is really buggy. It is annyoing. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 12:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
**** [http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Jmh649&dbname=enwiki_p This] is OK, but Wikichecker, on the other hand, is really buggy. It is annyoing. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 12:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*****In the old days, we had to check contribs by using punch cards. And we walked to get to Wikipedia - uphill...both ways! –[[user:xeno|< |
*****In the old days, we had to check contribs by using punch cards. And we walked to get to Wikipedia - uphill...both ways! –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 13:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*Did anything come of the official complaints over the Rorschach test issue? The question is merely for my own curiosity, feel free not to reply if matters are still ongoing or if you wish to leave it behind. |
*Did anything come of the official complaints over the Rorschach test issue? The question is merely for my own curiosity, feel free not to reply if matters are still ongoing or if you wish to leave it behind. [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 13:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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**Things ruled in my favor. I was just advised to be careful in the future. Thus yes Wikipedia can affect real life :-) [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 13:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
**Things ruled in my favor. I was just advised to be careful in the future. Thus yes Wikipedia can affect real life :-) [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 13:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong Support''' Not only is this editor a strong contributor, but also, has always appeared to show a friendly, professional, and genuinely helpful approach to collaborating. I am sure this can be validated by others who have worked with the articles pertaining to the vast reach of the [[WP:MED|Medicine Wikiproject]], where he regularly helps both new and experienced users with article and task force problems and suggestions, as can be seen at the project's talk page [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine] where he is the second most highest contributor. Civil, professional, knows his way around the encyclopedia, and willing to help other do the same. Can only further benefit the project and the encyclopedia as a whole. [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 10:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong Support''' Not only is this editor a strong contributor, but also, has always appeared to show a friendly, professional, and genuinely helpful approach to collaborating. I am sure this can be validated by others who have worked with the articles pertaining to the vast reach of the [[WP:MED|Medicine Wikiproject]], where he regularly helps both new and experienced users with article and task force problems and suggestions, as can be seen at the project's talk page [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine] where he is the second most highest contributor. Civil, professional, knows his way around the encyclopedia, and willing to help other do the same. Can only further benefit the project and the encyclopedia as a whole. [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 10:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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# '''Support'''. Jmh has contributed substantially to the project. Fantastic contributor. Good answers. Actually admits to being in disputes (wow!). Well experienced. I would probably trust your average vandal-fighter with the tools in these circumstances, so I absolutely would trust a valuable encyclopedist with them. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><b>Swarm</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 10:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
# '''Support'''. Jmh has contributed substantially to the project. Fantastic contributor. Good answers. Actually admits to being in disputes (wow!). Well experienced. I would probably trust your average vandal-fighter with the tools in these circumstances, so I absolutely would trust a valuable encyclopedist with them. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><b>Swarm</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 10:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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# Per Calmer Waters. James is exactly the sort of editor we want as an administrator, regardless of how often he will use the tools. |
# Per Calmer Waters. James is exactly the sort of editor we want as an administrator, regardless of how often he will use the tools. [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 11:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#Longterm user, with clue and experience of a contentious area. Having now read through much of the material that lead up to it, I'm happy to disregard the one short block per time served, especially as it was over a year ago and relates to a content dispute. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers |
#Longterm user, with clue and experience of a contentious area. Having now read through much of the material that lead up to it, I'm happy to disregard the one short block per time served, especially as it was over a year ago and relates to a content dispute. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 11:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#*<s>[http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Jmh649&dbname=enwiki_p This] is an experienced user. I have no problems whatsoever. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 12:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Switching to neutral</small> |
#*<s>[http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Jmh649&dbname=enwiki_p This] is an experienced user. I have no problems whatsoever. /[[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contributions]]) 12:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Switching to neutral</small> |
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#'''Support'''. Looks like a candidate who has contributed a great deal, has made the effort to understand Wikipedia policies and practices, and is good at communication. Answers to questions look fine to me, and I see no reasons at all not to support. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Looks like a candidate who has contributed a great deal, has made the effort to understand Wikipedia policies and practices, and is good at communication. Answers to questions look fine to me, and I see no reasons at all not to support. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong Support'''. James is an excellent content contributor and understands well how policies apply to articles – and those are the main reason for us being here. More importantly, in my interactions with him, he is always willing to listen to reasoned advice and act on it. No sysop starts out "fully-formed", but I am convinced that James will ease himself into the role of administrator, broadening his experience with the tools as he goes along – and be a better admin for it. I really believe we should be encouraging more good content contributors to take up the mop, rather than expecting candidates to artificially garner huge edit counts at NPP and AIV. The question is actually "Do we trust him with the tools?" I do, and you should too. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 13:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong Support'''. James is an excellent content contributor and understands well how policies apply to articles – and those are the main reason for us being here. More importantly, in my interactions with him, he is always willing to listen to reasoned advice and act on it. No sysop starts out "fully-formed", but I am convinced that James will ease himself into the role of administrator, broadening his experience with the tools as he goes along – and be a better admin for it. I really believe we should be encouraging more good content contributors to take up the mop, rather than expecting candidates to artificially garner huge edit counts at NPP and AIV. The question is actually "Do we trust him with the tools?" I do, and you should too. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 13:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', from a brief review everything looks good to me. The odd minor concern is brought up in the oppose and neutral sections, but I certainly don't see anything remotely worthy of withholding my support - a generally competent and well-intentioned editor who would do well with additional tools. ~ < |
#'''Support''', from a brief review everything looks good to me. The odd minor concern is brought up in the oppose and neutral sections, but I certainly don't see anything remotely worthy of withholding my support - a generally competent and well-intentioned editor who would do well with additional tools. ~ [[User:Mazca|<span style="color:#228b22;">'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]</sup> 14:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Support''' Seems positively engaged in and well connected with the editing community. Good talk page correspondence, including well-handled disputes. No red flags I can see. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 14:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Withdrawn. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 01:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
#:<s>'''Support''' Seems positively engaged in and well connected with the editing community. Good talk page correspondence, including well-handled disputes. No red flags I can see. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 14:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> <small>Withdrawn. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 01:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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#'''Support''', impressive contributor! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy< |
#'''Support''', impressive contributor! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<span style="color:green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 15:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Thank you for not having hateful userboxes. [[User:Keepscases|Keepscases]] ([[User talk:Keepscases|talk]]) 16:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Thank you for not having hateful userboxes. [[User:Keepscases|Keepscases]] ([[User talk:Keepscases|talk]]) 16:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - impressive contributor, who I am sure would make positive use of the tools. I see nothing in his history to convince me otherwise. [[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 16:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - impressive contributor, who I am sure would make positive use of the tools. I see nothing in his history to convince me otherwise. [[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 16:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' – Great editor that I trust with the mop. <span class="plainlinks">—'''< |
#'''Support''' – Great editor that I trust with the mop. <span class="plainlinks">—'''[[User:MC10|<span style="color:#9370DB;">MC10</span>]] <small><span style="color:#4169E1;">([[User talk:MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">C</span>]]•[[User:MC10/Guestbook|<span style="color:#4169E1;">GB</span>]]•[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=MC10 <span style="color:#4169E1;">L</span>])</span></small>'''</span> 17:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I have seen this user around [[WP:MED]] quite a bit over my tenure here. He is a great contributor and I am confident that he will use the tools effectively. [[User:Tyrol5|<font color="#960018">'''Tyrol5'''</font>]] <font color="#960018"></font> <small>[[User talk:Tyrol5|<font color="#960018">[Talk]</font>]]</small> 17:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' I have seen this user around [[WP:MED]] quite a bit over my tenure here. He is a great contributor and I am confident that he will use the tools effectively. [[User:Tyrol5|<font color="#960018">'''Tyrol5'''</font>]] <font color="#960018"></font> <small>[[User talk:Tyrol5|<font color="#960018">[Talk]</font>]]</small> 17:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong support''': Solid and prolific content contributor with a demonstrated understanding of this site's policies and goals. James has in-the-trenches experience in handling on-wiki conflicts, which should be a prerequisite - not a negative - for admin candidates. I have no concerns, and I think Wikipedia will unquestionably benefit from giving James a few additional tools. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 17:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong support''': Solid and prolific content contributor with a demonstrated understanding of this site's policies and goals. James has in-the-trenches experience in handling on-wiki conflicts, which should be a prerequisite - not a negative - for admin candidates. I have no concerns, and I think Wikipedia will unquestionably benefit from giving James a few additional tools. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 17:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::[[The IT Crowd|If you type "Google" into Google, you can break the Internet]], so I guess all you have to do is type "Wikipedia" into Wikipedia (I'm an American, and I love that show). [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<font face="MS Mincho" color="black">話して下さい)</font>]] 23:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::[[The IT Crowd|If you type "Google" into Google, you can break the Internet]], so I guess all you have to do is type "Wikipedia" into Wikipedia (I'm an American, and I love that show). [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<font face="MS Mincho" color="black">話して下さい)</font>]] 23:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#Won't delete the main page. [[User:BigDom|<span style="color:#990033">Big</span>]][[User talk:BigDom|<span style="color:#3BB0FF"><small>Dom</small></span>]] 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#Won't delete the main page. [[User:BigDom|<span style="color:#990033">Big</span>]][[User talk:BigDom|<span style="color:#3BB0FF"><small>Dom</small></span>]] 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. A good editor with good judgment. <b>[[User:Will Beback|< |
#'''Support'''. A good editor with good judgment. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454;">Will Beback</span>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">talk</span>]] </b> 21:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong support'''. Doc James has experience in articles for deletion, helps to maintain and run [[WP:MCOTW]], is already a roll backer and autorights user, with no misuse of these privilages. He is a fast learner, helpful, civil and is very popular among his fellow wikipedians. Wikipedia Medicine Project is unfortunately lacking in admins; it is my view that Doc James can fill this gap of lack of medical admins and I feel that he has more than earned the trust of the wikipedian community and should have been made admin a long time ago!--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 21:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong support'''. Doc James has experience in articles for deletion, helps to maintain and run [[WP:MCOTW]], is already a roll backer and autorights user, with no misuse of these privilages. He is a fast learner, helpful, civil and is very popular among his fellow wikipedians. Wikipedia Medicine Project is unfortunately lacking in admins; it is my view that Doc James can fill this gap of lack of medical admins and I feel that he has more than earned the trust of the wikipedian community and should have been made admin a long time ago!--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 21:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak support''' - great editor who I can trust with the tools. I would've liked to have seen a more complete answer to Q6, though. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 21:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Weak support''' - great editor who I can trust with the tools. I would've liked to have seen a more complete answer to Q6, though. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 21:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' good general experience, should be fine with the mop. [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 22:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' good general experience, should be fine with the mop. [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 22:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' What Mastcell says.[[User:Fainites|Fainites]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Fainites|barley]]</small></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Fainites|<small>scribs</small>]] 23:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' What Mastcell says.[[User:Fainites|Fainites]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Fainites|barley]]</small></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Fainites|<small>scribs</small>]] 23:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', seems trustworthy enough to me. [[User:BD2412|< |
#'''Support''', seems trustworthy enough to me. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:tan;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Great content contributor, and per Literaturegeek. [[User:Mr Bungle|<font face="Old English Text MT" size="3" >M</font>r Bungle]] | [[User talk:Mr Bungle|<small><font color="blue" >talk</font></small>]] 01:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Great content contributor, and per Literaturegeek. [[User:Mr Bungle|<font face="Old English Text MT" size="3" >M</font>r Bungle]] | [[User talk:Mr Bungle|<small><font color="blue" >talk</font></small>]] 01:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I enjoy working with him, and I think he has enough sense and judgment to do useful things and to ask for help when he's not sure. I do not believe that [[Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_adminship_discussions#User_made_a_mistake|admins need to be perfect from their first edit]]: I'd rather have admins who will make a good effort to resolve stressful or difficult situations, instead of those who are too timid to do what they can to help. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 02:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' I enjoy working with him, and I think he has enough sense and judgment to do useful things and to ask for help when he's not sure. I do not believe that [[Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_adminship_discussions#User_made_a_mistake|admins need to be perfect from their first edit]]: I'd rather have admins who will make a good effort to resolve stressful or difficult situations, instead of those who are too timid to do what they can to help. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 02:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Good content editor, and I just have to support any editor who would say they are "proud of gout, croup and strep throat." <small>(sorry, couldn't resist)</small> –[[User:Joshua Scott|Joshua]] [[User talk:Joshua Scott|Scott]] <sup><span title="Formerly 'LiberalFascist'">[<i>who?</i>]</span></sup> 15:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Good content editor, and I just have to support any editor who would say they are "proud of gout, croup and strep throat." <small>(sorry, couldn't resist)</small> –[[User:Joshua Scott|Joshua]] [[User talk:Joshua Scott|Scott]] <sup><span title="Formerly 'LiberalFascist'">[<i>who?</i>]</span></sup> 15:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. No red flags, [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/business/24inkblot.html?_r=1 one black flag]. Go Doc! [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 16:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. No red flags, [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/business/24inkblot.html?_r=1 one black flag]. Go Doc! [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 16:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#Have noted some issues, but ultimately, I'm more than satisfied with "Doc James"' contributions. He's done some excellent work in some difficult topic areas. '''[[User:Ceranthor|< |
#Have noted some issues, but ultimately, I'm more than satisfied with "Doc James"' contributions. He's done some excellent work in some difficult topic areas. '''[[User:Ceranthor|<span style="color:#2F4F4F; font-family:Optima;">ceran</span>]]'''[[User_talk:Ceranthor|<span style="color:#2F4F4F; font-family:Optima;">''thor''</span>]] 17:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Seems like a decent content editor who writes well and can carry himself maturely. Net positive. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 17:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Seems like a decent content editor who writes well and can carry himself maturely. Net positive. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 17:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' great content contributor who knows his stuff. Only concern that he has been on occasion a bit too combative. On the other hand, I fully agree with the positions he has taken and trust that he will use the tools carefully. [[User:Boghog2|Boghog]] ([[User talk:Boghog2|talk]]) 20:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' great content contributor who knows his stuff. Only concern that he has been on occasion a bit too combative. On the other hand, I fully agree with the positions he has taken and trust that he will use the tools carefully. [[User:Boghog2|Boghog]] ([[User talk:Boghog2|talk]]) 20:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Net positive. This user is unlikely to abuse the tools, delete the mainpage or break the wiki. He's not afraid to speak out when something needs done even when it means stepping on toes. This is a quality which is, contrary to the beliefs of many around here, A Good Thing. While some of the opposes are ridiculous, some are valid and I hope this editor will learn from what has been expressed there and note for the future how that may affect his abilities to be a competent admin... but there's nothing there that would even make me think about not supporting. [[User:Trusilver|< |
#'''Support''' Net positive. This user is unlikely to abuse the tools, delete the mainpage or break the wiki. He's not afraid to speak out when something needs done even when it means stepping on toes. This is a quality which is, contrary to the beliefs of many around here, A Good Thing. While some of the opposes are ridiculous, some are valid and I hope this editor will learn from what has been expressed there and note for the future how that may affect his abilities to be a competent admin... but there's nothing there that would even make me think about not supporting. [[User:Trusilver|<span style="font-family:papyrus; color:#ADA96E;">Trusilver</span>]] 20:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Seems level headed, but not afraid to step on toes to do the job. [[User:Triona|Triona]] ([[User talk:Triona|talk]]) 21:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Seems level headed, but not afraid to step on toes to do the job. [[User:Triona|Triona]] ([[User talk:Triona|talk]]) 21:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', looks like a net positive. Not really put off by the arbitration stuff; quite honestly, sometimes a bit of a firm hand is necessary against people trying to civilly POV push woo-woo crap. If his hand got a little too firm, his heart's still in the right place. Also not concerned by the "lack of AIV edits"—it doesn't take a ton of experience to ask "Are the edits vandalism? Did the vandal get warned? Have they vandalized since then?" I would advise the candidate to observe and carefully review the protection policy before starting work at RFPP, but I have no doubt that this will occur. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 21:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''', looks like a net positive. Not really put off by the arbitration stuff; quite honestly, sometimes a bit of a firm hand is necessary against people trying to civilly POV push woo-woo crap. If his hand got a little too firm, his heart's still in the right place. Also not concerned by the "lack of AIV edits"—it doesn't take a ton of experience to ask "Are the edits vandalism? Did the vandal get warned? Have they vandalized since then?" I would advise the candidate to observe and carefully review the protection policy before starting work at RFPP, but I have no doubt that this will occur. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 21:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I have respect for strong contributors who edit in controversial topic areas. Occasional blemishes are to be expected, but on the whole he has demonstrated that he possesses the necessary skills for adminship. It's been more than a year since the ArbCom case concluded and since he was blocked; 12 months is ample time to demonstrate improvement and I think Doc James has done so satisfactorily. [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 00:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' I have respect for strong contributors who edit in controversial topic areas. Occasional blemishes are to be expected, but on the whole he has demonstrated that he possesses the necessary skills for adminship. It's been more than a year since the ArbCom case concluded and since he was blocked; 12 months is ample time to demonstrate improvement and I think Doc James has done so satisfactorily. [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 00:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Experience and [[WP:CLUE|clue]] seem to be there and my limited interactions with the editor are positive. Opposes seem to be either for blocks and sanctions years old, or from partisans on the other side of the TM debate, and don't impress me in the slightest. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 01:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - Experience and [[WP:CLUE|clue]] seem to be there and my limited interactions with the editor are positive. Opposes seem to be either for blocks and sanctions years old, or from partisans on the other side of the TM debate, and don't impress me in the slightest. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 01:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#''Support'''. Good contributions, sufficient experience, no reason to think he would abuse the tools. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small |
#''Support'''. Good contributions, sufficient experience, no reason to think he would abuse the tools. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 02:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong Support'''. Objectively I see a committed dedication to expanding the encyclopedia - and that's what it's all about. Apart from that , his communications with others are, if anything, a bit on low side. Subjectively, I feel he has the maturity to use the tools responsibly even if he has been mildly waspish occasionally - and I think most of us have been forced into situations like that at some time or another; Without checking the backgrounds of all the voters, it does possibly appear as if some of the pile-on opposers are detractors who live in glass houses and just scraping the barrel of semantics to interpret reasons of incivility to oppose. When I discount those votes, I certainly trust this candidate with the mop.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 06:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong Support'''. Objectively I see a committed dedication to expanding the encyclopedia - and that's what it's all about. Apart from that , his communications with others are, if anything, a bit on low side. Subjectively, I feel he has the maturity to use the tools responsibly even if he has been mildly waspish occasionally - and I think most of us have been forced into situations like that at some time or another; Without checking the backgrounds of all the voters, it does possibly appear as if some of the pile-on opposers are detractors who live in glass houses and just scraping the barrel of semantics to interpret reasons of incivility to oppose. When I discount those votes, I certainly trust this candidate with the mop.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 06:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. He has shown a true interest in improving the encyclopedia with great contributions over time, even on controversial areas. Admin tools to this user will help the project. --[[User:Garrondo|Garrondo]] ([[User talk:Garrondo|talk]]) 07:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. He has shown a true interest in improving the encyclopedia with great contributions over time, even on controversial areas. Admin tools to this user will help the project. --[[User:Garrondo|Garrondo]] ([[User talk:Garrondo|talk]]) 07:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Honest , careful,and straightforward, and I fully trust he will not use the tools in areas where he is involved in controversy. For editors with a strong position on a topic, or in a topic area, that's all that can or should be asked for. It would be a step towards rewarding blandness if it became a requirement that candidates for admin refrain from engaging themselves ''as an editor'' in difficult topics. I strongly discount all opposes based upon his position on TM in particular, and I'd think that there is no further need to respond to them here. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Honest , careful,and straightforward, and I fully trust he will not use the tools in areas where he is involved in controversy. For editors with a strong position on a topic, or in a topic area, that's all that can or should be asked for. It would be a step towards rewarding blandness if it became a requirement that candidates for admin refrain from engaging themselves ''as an editor'' in difficult topics. I strongly discount all opposes based upon his position on TM in particular, and I'd think that there is no further need to respond to them here. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Thoughtful and knowledgeable editor. (It is disappointing to see some of the opposes the candidate is gathering due to content disputes that are irrelevant to this RFA. I trust that the closing bureaucrat(s) will familiarize themselves with the editors involved in the recently closed [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental_Meditation_movement|TM Movement arbitration case]], and recognize the apparent cause and motivation of some of the opposes). [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 04:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Thoughtful and knowledgeable editor. (It is disappointing to see some of the opposes the candidate is gathering due to content disputes that are irrelevant to this RFA. I trust that the closing bureaucrat(s) will familiarize themselves with the editors involved in the recently closed [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental_Meditation_movement|TM Movement arbitration case]], and recognize the apparent cause and motivation of some of the opposes). [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 04:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong support'''. I trust his judgment. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b |
#'''Strong support'''. I trust his judgment. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b style="color:green;"><sup>Talk page</sup></b>]] 04:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''': I've never interacted with Doc directly but from what I've looked over, he's an outstanding editor who's long overdue to be an administrator. Most of the oppose votes are actually reinforcing my decision to support. [[User:Nomader|Nomader]] <sup><span style="font-size: 6pt">([[User talk:Nomader|Talk]])</span></sup> 06:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''': I've never interacted with Doc directly but from what I've looked over, he's an outstanding editor who's long overdue to be an administrator. Most of the oppose votes are actually reinforcing my decision to support. [[User:Nomader|Nomader]] <sup><span style="font-size: 6pt">([[User talk:Nomader|Talk]])</span></sup> 06:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - This was a lot of reading, but having done it I'm !voting yes to hand this guy the mop. I am absolutely floored to see he was taken to court over a Wikipedia issue... and for eight months. I commend him for sticking it out and staying with us. As for the opposers, I am largely very unimpressed. As noted, many seem to be dragging to this Rfa resentment over content issues. The project will be helped if he has a mop, and this editor has the moral sense not to abuse the tools re: [[WP:COI]]. Best wishes! [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] 06:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - This was a lot of reading, but having done it I'm !voting yes to hand this guy the mop. I am absolutely floored to see he was taken to court over a Wikipedia issue... and for eight months. I commend him for sticking it out and staying with us. As for the opposers, I am largely very unimpressed. As noted, many seem to be dragging to this Rfa resentment over content issues. The project will be helped if he has a mop, and this editor has the moral sense not to abuse the tools re: [[WP:COI]]. Best wishes! [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] 06:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' This editor seems to understand Wikipedia policies well and I have no reason to worry that he would abuse the tools. [[User:Deli nk|Deli nk]] ([[User talk:Deli nk|talk]]) 14:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' This editor seems to understand Wikipedia policies well and I have no reason to worry that he would abuse the tools. [[User:Deli nk|Deli nk]] ([[User talk:Deli nk|talk]]) 14:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' – He's been around for a while, and the contributions look good, especially in the more controversial areas. –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 15:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' – He's been around for a while, and the contributions look good, especially in the more controversial areas. –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 15:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' – Experienced editor, and I believe we can trust his words at question #9. < |
#'''Support''' – Experienced editor, and I believe we can trust his words at question #9. [[User:Paul Erik|<span style="font-family:Comic sans MS;">Paul Erik</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Paul Erik|<span style="color:blue;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|<span style="color:green;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup></small> 16:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', may not be the most prolific user of the tools, but will certainly be a net positive where they are used and my hat goes off to somebody who can make over 1400 edits to a difficult article like [[obesity]] ''and'' get it to GA status. That takes dedication and patience. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
#'''Support''', may not be the most prolific user of the tools, but will certainly be a net positive where they are used and my hat goes off to somebody who can make over 1400 edits to a difficult article like [[obesity]] ''and'' get it to GA status. That takes dedication and patience. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 17:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' We all have issues in life and online, and to expect someone to be perfect is, well, stupid. None of us would be admins if we were held to a 99%, A+++ average. We need the help, we need the experienced editors, and while there ''may'' be a few questions and/or issues, wake up and realize Jmh is going to be helping out a lot. Give them the mop, and get them to work already. [[User:Jmlk17|<span style="color:#008000">Jmlk</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmlk17|<span style="color:#000080">1</span>]][[User_talk:Jmlk17|<span style="color:#800000">7</span>]] 19:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' We all have issues in life and online, and to expect someone to be perfect is, well, stupid. None of us would be admins if we were held to a 99%, A+++ average. We need the help, we need the experienced editors, and while there ''may'' be a few questions and/or issues, wake up and realize Jmh is going to be helping out a lot. Give them the mop, and get them to work already. [[User:Jmlk17|<span style="color:#008000">Jmlk</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmlk17|<span style="color:#000080">1</span>]][[User_talk:Jmlk17|<span style="color:#800000">7</span>]] 19:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' --[[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] ([[User talk:Tenmei|talk]]) 22:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' --[[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] ([[User talk:Tenmei|talk]]) 22:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Nice to see an editor that has a stong background in science and medicine holding firm to verifiability. Someone willing to make a firm decision - about time. [[User:King Pickle|King Pickle]] ([[User talk:King Pickle|talk]]) 22:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Nice to see an editor that has a stong background in science and medicine holding firm to verifiability. Someone willing to make a firm decision - about time. [[User:King Pickle|King Pickle]] ([[User talk:King Pickle|talk]]) 22:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' [[User:Bejinhan|<font color="#8000FF">Bejinhan</font>]] [[User talk:Bejinhan|<font color="#FF00FF">talks</font>]] 11:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' [[User:Bejinhan|<font color="#8000FF">Bejinhan</font>]] [[User talk:Bejinhan|<font color="#FF00FF">talks</font>]] 11:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#I know that [[WP:MED]] has been trying to increase the number of administrators in their active ranks for various housekeeping tasks related to medical articles that come up from time to time. As long as the candidate refrains from using administrative tools in controversial areas with which he's been involved ''(I would also suggest he avoid controversial areas wherever possible)'', I am willing to lend my cautious support. –[[user:xeno|< |
#I know that [[WP:MED]] has been trying to increase the number of administrators in their active ranks for various housekeeping tasks related to medical articles that come up from time to time. As long as the candidate refrains from using administrative tools in controversial areas with which he's been involved ''(I would also suggest he avoid controversial areas wherever possible)'', I am willing to lend my cautious support. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 13:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - without any reservations whatsoever. [[User:GrahamColm|Graham Colm]] ([[User talk:GrahamColm|talk]]) 21:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - without any reservations whatsoever. [[User:GrahamColm|Graham Colm]] ([[User talk:GrahamColm|talk]]) 21:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#Certainly I'd have preferred stronger experience in admin related areas. However, will be a net positive, a la Mitchell. DGG gets right to the heart of the matter. King Pickle makes a good point as well. Having read the opposition, I can say I do not share their concerns. [[User:Dlohcierekim| |
#Certainly I'd have preferred stronger experience in admin related areas. However, will be a net positive, a la Mitchell. DGG gets right to the heart of the matter. King Pickle makes a good point as well. Having read the opposition, I can say I do not share their concerns. <big>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]]</big> 14:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Smart, trustworthy, good editor. < |
#'''Support'''. Smart, trustworthy, good editor. [[User:SlimVirgin|<span style="color:blue;">SlimVirgin</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<span style="color:red;">talk|</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin|<span style="color:green;">contribs</span>]]</sup></small> 18:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Appears capable to have administrator tools.--''[[User:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Pink</span>]][[User talk:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Bull</span>]]'' 18:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Appears capable to have administrator tools.--''[[User:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Pink</span>]][[User talk:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Bull</span>]]'' 18:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Highly beneficial contributions to Wikipedia, and clearly an intelligent and educated editor with good motivations and good Wikipedia skills. As he works on some highly contentious articles, some friction has to be expected. I think he's handled it quite well - sticking to the policies and guidelines - and his contributions are solid. No reservations about supporting this candidate. <font color="80080">--</font><font color="800080" face="Verdana">''' [[User:Transity|Transity]]'''</font><font color="800080"><sup><small>([[User talk:Transity|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Transity|contribs]])</small></sup></font> 23:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Highly beneficial contributions to Wikipedia, and clearly an intelligent and educated editor with good motivations and good Wikipedia skills. As he works on some highly contentious articles, some friction has to be expected. I think he's handled it quite well - sticking to the policies and guidelines - and his contributions are solid. No reservations about supporting this candidate. <font color="80080">--</font><font color="800080" face="Verdana">''' [[User:Transity|Transity]]'''</font><font color="800080"><sup><small>([[User talk:Transity|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Transity|contribs]])</small></sup></font> 23:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. More admins with MDs, please. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 01:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. More admins with MDs, please. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 01:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', seems like a level-headed sort of person. Opposes are not convincing. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 04:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC). |
#'''Support''', seems like a level-headed sort of person. Opposes are not convincing. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 04:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC). |
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#'''Support''', excellent contributor, strong science background, good answers to questions, multiple positive qualities, all-around. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. Although I sympathise with you for the Rorschach test issue and although I deem you an experienced user, I don't think you're experienced enough in admin-related areas to be handed the mop: I'm not entirely satisfied by your answers and 60 edits to AIV and 13 to RFPP are a little too few, if you want to work in those areas. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano| <sup>Let's talk 'bout it!</sup>]] 12:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose'''. Although I sympathise with you for the Rorschach test issue and although I deem you an experienced user, I don't think you're experienced enough in admin-related areas to be handed the mop: I'm not entirely satisfied by your answers and 60 edits to AIV and 13 to RFPP are a little too few, if you want to work in those areas. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano| <sup>Let's talk 'bout it!</sup>]] 12:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::<s>While I often agree with his content positions, the candidate's conduct as described in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649 the ADHD arbitration] gave me a negative impression of his interpersonal skills. [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] ([[User talk:Skinwalker|talk]]) 15:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> |
#::<s>While I often agree with his content positions, the candidate's conduct as described in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649 the ADHD arbitration] gave me a negative impression of his interpersonal skills. [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] ([[User talk:Skinwalker|talk]]) 15:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> |
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#:::Those issues are all at least 12 months old, many are 18-24 months old. Considering that a number of people in the support section who have worked with him before see him as "friendly", "professional", and "willing to listen to reasoned advice", do you think you could provide some more recent evidence? |
#:::Those issues are all at least 12 months old, many are 18-24 months old. Considering that a number of people in the support section who have worked with him before see him as "friendly", "professional", and "willing to listen to reasoned advice", do you think you could provide some more recent evidence? [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 16:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::Yes I misspoke and apologized. This was when I was just starting out as mentioned a couple of years ago.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 19:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::Yes I misspoke and apologized. This was when I was just starting out as mentioned a couple of years ago.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 19:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::::I've withdrawn my oppose after finding no recent trouble. Plus, I'm just plain embarrassed to be seen with the Transcendental Meditation cheerleading squad. [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] ([[User talk:Skinwalker|talk]]) 23:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::::I've withdrawn my oppose after finding no recent trouble. Plus, I'm just plain embarrassed to be seen with the Transcendental Meditation cheerleading squad. [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] ([[User talk:Skinwalker|talk]]) 23:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong Oppose''' I don't think this user understands some fundamental aspects of Wikipedia. If he does understand and acts as he does then I have some concerns with misrepresentation. I think he needs more time to improve his understanding before he's given admin tools. ([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 16:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)) |
#'''Strong Oppose''' I don't think this user understands some fundamental aspects of Wikipedia. If he does understand and acts as he does then I have some concerns with misrepresentation. I think he needs more time to improve his understanding before he's given admin tools. ([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 16:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)) |
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#:"Some fundamental aspects" is a bit vague. Could you please explain further? |
#:"Some fundamental aspects" is a bit vague. Could you please explain further? [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 17:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Brought a recent ArbCom enforcement against this user in which sanction were applied against her.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#User:TimidGuy_and_User:Littleolive_oil_and_User:Edith_Sirius_Lee] Thus I am not the least bit surprised. When one edits controversial topic not everyone will agree. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 19:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::Brought a recent ArbCom enforcement against this user in which sanction were applied against her.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#User:TimidGuy_and_User:Littleolive_oil_and_User:Edith_Sirius_Lee] Thus I am not the least bit surprised. When one edits controversial topic not everyone will agree. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 19:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:<s>Per Salvio. Also, some proxies can be blocked much longer than a year; as well as some long-term abuse school IPs. I'd also like to reiterate that you are most definitely an asset to Wikipedia; it's just I have some experience concerns regarding AIV and RPP. [[User:Tommy2010|<font color="black">Tommy!</font>]] [[User talk:Tommy2010|[<font color="blue">message</font>]]] 17:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> |
#:<s>Per Salvio. Also, some proxies can be blocked much longer than a year; as well as some long-term abuse school IPs. I'd also like to reiterate that you are most definitely an asset to Wikipedia; it's just I have some experience concerns regarding AIV and RPP. [[User:Tommy2010|<font color="black">Tommy!</font>]] [[User talk:Tommy2010|[<font color="blue">message</font>]]] 17:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</s> |
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#'''Oppose'''. Per above. Concerns with the answers to questions, fairly recent AE block, and minimal experience in administrative areas. You're a fantastic editor, but I think you would benefit from a little more experience. Sorry, '''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<font color="#4B0082">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup> 18:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose'''. Per above. Concerns with the answers to questions, fairly recent AE block, and minimal experience in administrative areas. You're a fantastic editor, but I think you would benefit from a little more experience. Sorry, '''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<font color="#4B0082">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup> 18:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:12.5 months is fairly recent now? |
#:12.5 months is fairly recent now? [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 19:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak Oppose''' Per Salvio and Fastily. 60 edits to AIV as well as <s>13 to RFPP</s> are simply no where near enough to show me that you have enough experience if you plan on working in those areas with the tools. That last (and only) block also scares me a bit. It's over a year ago so enough time has passed to not make me scared in that respect but the ''nature'' of it is a bit worrying. The fact that you were blocked in the first place, arbitration enforcement, is not a good thing at all. I look forward to seeing you re-submit another RFA in say 3-6 months and if you stay on the track that you currently are on, expect to see me in the support column :)--[[user:White Shadows|<font style="color:#191970">'''White Shadows'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:White Shadows|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Nobody said it was easy'''</font>]]</sup> 20:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Weak Oppose''' Per Salvio and Fastily. 60 edits to AIV as well as <s>13 to RFPP</s> are simply no where near enough to show me that you have enough experience if you plan on working in those areas with the tools. That last (and only) block also scares me a bit. It's over a year ago so enough time has passed to not make me scared in that respect but the ''nature'' of it is a bit worrying. The fact that you were blocked in the first place, arbitration enforcement, is not a good thing at all. I look forward to seeing you re-submit another RFA in say 3-6 months and if you stay on the track that you currently are on, expect to see me in the support column :)--[[user:White Shadows|<font style="color:#191970">'''White Shadows'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:White Shadows|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Nobody said it was easy'''</font>]]</sup> 20:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Just as a note wrt RFPP I sometimes post to [[WT:MED]] or make direct requests to admins who edit medical topics. Thus these number we collect are not completely accurate. I do however appreciate your encouragement.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 20:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:Just as a note wrt RFPP I sometimes post to [[WT:MED]] or make direct requests to admins who edit medical topics. Thus these number we collect are not completely accurate. I do however appreciate your encouragement.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 20:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::::::::The situation here is that this is a request by an editor for administration status. Such a candidate must expect that his activities and interactions on all articles will be scrutinized. The candidate generally can expect opposes and supports, and can expect that editors will have varying opinions about him/her. While any opinion might be questioned what should not happen here is that editors are attacked for expressing those opinions. That's not appropriate nor fair and makes a hash of this process. So thanks, but please, no more comments about the the editors commenting here.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)) |
#:::::::::The situation here is that this is a request by an editor for administration status. Such a candidate must expect that his activities and interactions on all articles will be scrutinized. The candidate generally can expect opposes and supports, and can expect that editors will have varying opinions about him/her. While any opinion might be questioned what should not happen here is that editors are attacked for expressing those opinions. That's not appropriate nor fair and makes a hash of this process. So thanks, but please, no more comments about the the editors commenting here.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)) |
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#::::::::::Well, I have been attacked by you and labeled as spreading falsehoods, misleading editors etc etc which forces other editors to defend themselves against your tenditious arguing. Please see, [[WP:DISRUPT]], [[WP:BATTLE]] as well as [[WP:SOAP|soap boxing]]. Your not letting this drop may very well backfire as it will show editors, just what Doc James is dealing with on these articles. Give it a rest, you have said your piece and so have I.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 16:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::::::::Well, I have been attacked by you and labeled as spreading falsehoods, misleading editors etc etc which forces other editors to defend themselves against your tenditious arguing. Please see, [[WP:DISRUPT]], [[WP:BATTLE]] as well as [[WP:SOAP|soap boxing]]. Your not letting this drop may very well backfire as it will show editors, just what Doc James is dealing with on these articles. Give it a rest, you have said your piece and so have I.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 16:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#I do not support people who have been subject to arbitral sanctions ([[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649]]) and who use [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Jmh649&oldid=378702080 their user page] for advocacy or divisive content of any sort. This does not rule out that Jmh649 may become a good admin in areas unrelated to topics he feels strongly about, but these are just two huge red flags for me. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|< |
#I do not support people who have been subject to arbitral sanctions ([[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649]]) and who use [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Jmh649&oldid=378702080 their user page] for advocacy or divisive content of any sort. This does not rule out that Jmh649 may become a good admin in areas unrelated to topics he feels strongly about, but these are just two huge red flags for me. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 20:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:To which content on the user page do you refer? Most of that stuff looks pretty uncontroversial, including the stuff on libel law overreach. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 22:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:To which content on the user page do you refer? Most of that stuff looks pretty uncontroversial, including the stuff on libel law overreach. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 22:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::The box with [[:File:Logolibelsmall.png|this logo]]. It's not very controversial ... unless you are the party on the other side of that lawsuit, and it's not the purpose of Wikipedia or its admins to publicly take sides in divisive lawsuits. I guess I even agree with the sentiment as a matter of policy - but it's still in-your-face advocacy, which is what [[WP:SOAP|Wikipedia is not for]], especially not by admins. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|< |
#::The box with [[:File:Logolibelsmall.png|this logo]]. It's not very controversial ... unless you are the party on the other side of that lawsuit, and it's not the purpose of Wikipedia or its admins to publicly take sides in divisive lawsuits. I guess I even agree with the sentiment as a matter of policy - but it's still in-your-face advocacy, which is what [[WP:SOAP|Wikipedia is not for]], especially not by admins. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 08:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' I can't support a candidate that has had [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649|sanctions of this nature levied against him or her in arbitration]]. Per Sandstein, I feel it's too much of a red flag. [[User:Vodello|Vodello]] ([[User talk:Vodello|talk]]) 01:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' I can't support a candidate that has had [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649|sanctions of this nature levied against him or her in arbitration]]. Per Sandstein, I feel it's too much of a red flag. [[User:Vodello|Vodello]] ([[User talk:Vodello|talk]]) 01:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Those issues are all 15-24 months old. In addition, the content that Doc James was working on still stands today, over a year later. How long should we hold something like this against an editor, especially if they show no signs of having repeated mistakes they made quite a bit earlier in their Wikipedia-career. It took us six months to [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds 2|forgive]] an admin who knowingly shared his password with another user. Should we hold minor content disputes stretching back three times as long as that against someone? |
#:Those issues are all 15-24 months old. In addition, the content that Doc James was working on still stands today, over a year later. How long should we hold something like this against an editor, especially if they show no signs of having repeated mistakes they made quite a bit earlier in their Wikipedia-career. It took us six months to [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds 2|forgive]] an admin who knowingly shared his password with another user. Should we hold minor content disputes stretching back three times as long as that against someone? [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 01:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Strong Oppose''' I am an editor with limited experience and am not familiar with requirements for becoming an administrator. However, my interactions with the candidate in editing articles related to Transcendental Meditation left me with a strong impression that his content POV was negative and that he was willing to twist the rules and to use bullying tactics to get his way. This does not bode well for a candidate for administrator in my book.[[User:ChemistryProf|ChemistryProf]] ([[User talk:ChemistryProf|talk]]) 03:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Strong Oppose''' I am an editor with limited experience and am not familiar with requirements for becoming an administrator. However, my interactions with the candidate in editing articles related to Transcendental Meditation left me with a strong impression that his content POV was negative and that he was willing to twist the rules and to use bullying tactics to get his way. This does not bode well for a candidate for administrator in my book.[[User:ChemistryProf|ChemistryProf]] ([[User talk:ChemistryProf|talk]]) 03:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' While we appreciate Doc's service to Wikipedia, I feel he does not have the quality of heart to be an administrator. I found him lacking in grace and respect in his interpersonal skills, and at times to be a bully. Perhaps in time, if these attributes can develop he will gain my support as a candidate for administrator. For now, I cannot support his application. --[[User:Bigweeboy|BwB]] ([[User talk:Bigweeboy|talk]]) 13:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' While we appreciate Doc's service to Wikipedia, I feel he does not have the quality of heart to be an administrator. I found him lacking in grace and respect in his interpersonal skills, and at times to be a bully. Perhaps in time, if these attributes can develop he will gain my support as a candidate for administrator. For now, I cannot support his application. --[[User:Bigweeboy|BwB]] ([[User talk:Bigweeboy|talk]]) 13:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::::::{{ec}} @Littleolive oil: May I assume that comment is directed to the person who opened the can of worms? After all, Edith is the one who is insisting on examining the ''evidence'', rather than the decision which passed no comment on Doc James. I do note though, that on that exact decision page there is record of ArbCom Enforcement, placing yourself, Edith and TimidGuy on a "collective 1RR/24hrs revert restriction" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=377960147 to stop tag-team reverts] --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 01:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::::::{{ec}} @Littleolive oil: May I assume that comment is directed to the person who opened the can of worms? After all, Edith is the one who is insisting on examining the ''evidence'', rather than the decision which passed no comment on Doc James. I do note though, that on that exact decision page there is record of ArbCom Enforcement, placing yourself, Edith and TimidGuy on a "collective 1RR/24hrs revert restriction" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=377960147 to stop tag-team reverts] --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 01:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::::::: I cannot answer for Olive, but since this concerns me I would like to make three points. First, the only thing I did is to provide evidence for an ongoing violation of NPOV, which is a content policy. It does not matter who provides the evidence. The evidence stands by itself, independently from me, and people can look at it and decide for themselves. So, my status in Wikipedia is irrelevant. Second, if an ongoing violation of a content policy is not a criteria in a RFA, I was not aware of that and I assume my oppose statement will be ignored. I just felt it was not only relevant, but even important that an admin does not violate a content policy. However, I could be wrong. It is not me that decides what is important in a RFA. Finally, third, I did not consider the old Arb request because I was not there and I felt an ongoing violation of policy is much more relevant. [[User:Edith Sirius Lee|Edith Sirius Lee]] ([[User talk:Edith Sirius Lee|talk]]) 10:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::::::: I cannot answer for Olive, but since this concerns me I would like to make three points. First, the only thing I did is to provide evidence for an ongoing violation of NPOV, which is a content policy. It does not matter who provides the evidence. The evidence stands by itself, independently from me, and people can look at it and decide for themselves. So, my status in Wikipedia is irrelevant. Second, if an ongoing violation of a content policy is not a criteria in a RFA, I was not aware of that and I assume my oppose statement will be ignored. I just felt it was not only relevant, but even important that an admin does not violate a content policy. However, I could be wrong. It is not me that decides what is important in a RFA. Finally, third, I did not consider the old Arb request because I was not there and I felt an ongoing violation of policy is much more relevant. [[User:Edith Sirius Lee|Edith Sirius Lee]] ([[User talk:Edith Sirius Lee|talk]]) 10:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:{{Anchor| No Further Comment}} Edith Sirius Lee, it is clear that you (and Transcendental Meditation editors) oppose Jmh (which says much); would you mind taking this to talk? Nothing is to be gained now by continuing this on the RFA. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy< |
#:{{Anchor| No Further Comment}} Edith Sirius Lee, it is clear that you (and Transcendental Meditation editors) oppose Jmh (which says much); would you mind taking this to talk? Nothing is to be gained now by continuing this on the RFA. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<span style="color:green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 15:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:: What? If people comment here, I reply here. Please tell people to comment on my oppose statement in the talk if you want that I reply in the talk. Also, it is not important that I, as an individual editor, oppose Jmh. It is the evidence that matters. I am happy to let people judge for themselves. I do not expect anyone to rely on my personal judgment. [[User:Edith Sirius Lee|Edith Sirius Lee]] ([[User talk:Edith Sirius Lee|talk]]) 15:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:: What? If people comment here, I reply here. Please tell people to comment on my oppose statement in the talk if you want that I reply in the talk. Also, it is not important that I, as an individual editor, oppose Jmh. It is the evidence that matters. I am happy to let people judge for themselves. I do not expect anyone to rely on my personal judgment. [[User:Edith Sirius Lee|Edith Sirius Lee]] ([[User talk:Edith Sirius Lee|talk]]) 15:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::Any further comments from Edith or directed towards Edith by other editors will be moved to the talk page. If anyone disagees with this, it will need to be discussed on admin noticeboard as the [[WP:DISRUPT|disruption]] needs stopped.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 15:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::Any further comments from Edith or directed towards Edith by other editors will be moved to the talk page. If anyone disagees with this, it will need to be discussed on admin noticeboard as the [[WP:DISRUPT|disruption]] needs stopped.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 15:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:8) More recently he gives the message to an editor who opposes his edits: “consider yourself warned”[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edith_Sirius_Lee&diff=376664711&oldid=376594751] |
#:8) More recently he gives the message to an editor who opposes his edits: “consider yourself warned”[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edith_Sirius_Lee&diff=376664711&oldid=376594751] |
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#:These indicate to me that he is not a balanced, neutral editor and should not be empowered with Administrative tools. In addition, I have the feeling when I read his answers to the Admin questions above (and on the TM ArbCom) that he is being coached or that he is parroting what he has heard from others and does not have a true understanding of Wiki policies and Wiki Admin policies.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:These indicate to me that he is not a balanced, neutral editor and should not be empowered with Administrative tools. In addition, I have the feeling when I read his answers to the Admin questions above (and on the TM ArbCom) that he is being coached or that he is parroting what he has heard from others and does not have a true understanding of Wiki policies and Wiki Admin policies.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Ah, another editor who was involved in the TM ArbCom case casting his first RFA !vote. You are incorrect. DocJames has only been blocked once, for 48 hours, over a year ago.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AJmh649] And the 3RR warning you link to seems to have been triggered by a single revert, which most wouldn't call "edit warring". <b>[[User:Will Beback|< |
#::Ah, another editor who was involved in the TM ArbCom case casting his first RFA !vote. You are incorrect. DocJames has only been blocked once, for 48 hours, over a year ago.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AJmh649] And the 3RR warning you link to seems to have been triggered by a single revert, which most wouldn't call "edit warring". <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454;">Will Beback</span>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">talk</span>]] </b> 18:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::'''Comment to clarify''': Doc James was also part of the TM Arb case as was Will Beback. There were no sanctions to any editors, (one so-called, non-TM editor was admonished and restricted), and all editors including Doc James and Will Beback were equally included in the Arb decision. Further, Doc James did indeed use a single revert to cite edit warring, and used that as a situation to try and have an editor sanctioned. ([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 18:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)) |
#:::'''Comment to clarify''': Doc James was also part of the TM Arb case as was Will Beback. There were no sanctions to any editors, (one so-called, non-TM editor was admonished and restricted), and all editors including Doc James and Will Beback were equally included in the Arb decision. Further, Doc James did indeed use a single revert to cite edit warring, and used that as a situation to try and have an editor sanctioned. ([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 18:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)) |
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#::::I think that everyone understands what Will meant. TM-Movement affiliated editors/SPA's account for 40% of the "Oppose" votes so far. Five of them were parties to the TM ArbCom, a sixth is a SPA who began editing under that name less than a month ago. Olive, Edith and one other such editor who has not weighed in here, are subject to current sanctions as a result of violating that ArbCom, following an AE commenced by DocJames. Other than olive voting in favor of Dreadstar's RFA, I do not believe that she, or any of the other five TM editors/SPA's who have weighed in here, have previously voted in a RFA. [[User:Fladrif|Fladrif]] ([[User talk:Fladrif|talk]]) 19:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::I think that everyone understands what Will meant. TM-Movement affiliated editors/SPA's account for 40% of the "Oppose" votes so far. Five of them were parties to the TM ArbCom, a sixth is a SPA who began editing under that name less than a month ago. Olive, Edith and one other such editor who has not weighed in here, are subject to current sanctions as a result of violating that ArbCom, following an AE commenced by DocJames. Other than olive voting in favor of Dreadstar's RFA, I do not believe that she, or any of the other five TM editors/SPA's who have weighed in here, have previously voted in a RFA. [[User:Fladrif|Fladrif]] ([[User talk:Fladrif|talk]]) 19:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::One should read a whole article rather than just the abstract, because it's actually quite complicated (refer to page 166 of the document itself - 181 in the PDF - for the actual data). This comment also ignores Doc James [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Transcendental_Meditation&diff=next&oldid=338813730 later] edit which removes any health-related implications by removing "hypertensive" from the article and the statement "''The combined estimate of changes in SBP (mm Hg) showed a small, but nonsignificant improvement (reduction) in favor of [no treatment]''" from the paper itself. Indeed, this is equivocal support for TM increasing blood pressure in the nonhypertensive. In addition, the initial edit and later correction took place within minutes. Are there any admin-related issues here? Were policies egregiously misapplied? Was there a significant violation of [[WP:CIVIL]]? Adminship is not about content - it's about process and policies. DocJames replacement of a primary source with a review in that very edit, which is an indication of an appreciation for policies. So it's actually a reason to ''support'' his adminship, not oppose it. [[User:WLU|WLU]] <small>[[User talk:WLU|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/WLU|(c)]] Wikipedia's rules:</small>[[WP:SIMPLE|<sup><span style='color:#FFA500'>simple</span></sup>]]/[[WP:POL|<sub><span style='color:#008080'>complex</span></sub>]] 13:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::One should read a whole article rather than just the abstract, because it's actually quite complicated (refer to page 166 of the document itself - 181 in the PDF - for the actual data). This comment also ignores Doc James [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Transcendental_Meditation&diff=next&oldid=338813730 later] edit which removes any health-related implications by removing "hypertensive" from the article and the statement "''The combined estimate of changes in SBP (mm Hg) showed a small, but nonsignificant improvement (reduction) in favor of [no treatment]''" from the paper itself. Indeed, this is equivocal support for TM increasing blood pressure in the nonhypertensive. In addition, the initial edit and later correction took place within minutes. Are there any admin-related issues here? Were policies egregiously misapplied? Was there a significant violation of [[WP:CIVIL]]? Adminship is not about content - it's about process and policies. DocJames replacement of a primary source with a review in that very edit, which is an indication of an appreciation for policies. So it's actually a reason to ''support'' his adminship, not oppose it. [[User:WLU|WLU]] <small>[[User talk:WLU|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/WLU|(c)]] Wikipedia's rules:</small>[[WP:SIMPLE|<sup><span style='color:#FFA500'>simple</span></sup>]]/[[WP:POL|<sub><span style='color:#008080'>complex</span></sub>]] 13:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::There are 15 studies on TM and blood pressure in that review, all showing either a statistically significant improvement, or no statistically significant effect. The candidate found the one study in 15 that showed a nonsignificant increase in blood pressure and wrote in the TM article, "Studies have suggested either a cause-effect relationship or a positive correlation between practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique and changes in health-related physiological states, including: increased blood pressure." I do see an Admin issue here -- a lack of integrity. [[User:TimidGuy|TimidGuy]] ([[User talk:TimidGuy|talk]]) 16:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::There are 15 studies on TM and blood pressure in that review, all showing either a statistically significant improvement, or no statistically significant effect. The candidate found the one study in 15 that showed a nonsignificant increase in blood pressure and wrote in the TM article, "Studies have suggested either a cause-effect relationship or a positive correlation between practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique and changes in health-related physiological states, including: increased blood pressure." I do see an Admin issue here -- a lack of integrity. [[User:TimidGuy|TimidGuy]] ([[User talk:TimidGuy|talk]]) 16:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::I don't think it's worthwhile to revisit the TM case here, and the closing bureaucrat will not overlook the fact that several of those opposing this candidacy were involved in an arbitration case filed by the candidate. The extended discussions on this is becoming quite distracting. –[[user:xeno|< |
#:::I don't think it's worthwhile to revisit the TM case here, and the closing bureaucrat will not overlook the fact that several of those opposing this candidacy were involved in an arbitration case filed by the candidate. The extended discussions on this is becoming quite distracting. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 13:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::The candidate filed an AE case in which there were concerns with process per the Arbitration, and in which information presented by the candidate indicated a lack of inexperience, a concern for an admin. Some decisions from the AE case will be appealed.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 18:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)) |
#::::The candidate filed an AE case in which there were concerns with process per the Arbitration, and in which information presented by the candidate indicated a lack of inexperience, a concern for an admin. Some decisions from the AE case will be appealed.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 18:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)) |
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#:::::Xeno, <s>is an admin and bureaucrat and</s> has voiced his view that this conversation should come to an end. As I said to Edith, if the [[WP:DISRUPT|disruption]] to this adminship request continues it may require reporting to the admin noticeboard. Everyone is aware of your viewpoints, repeating them is just sounding like a broken record. Sorry to be blunt. If you really must continue this conversation then please use the talk page to continue it.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 18:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::::Xeno, <s>is an admin and bureaucrat and</s> has voiced his view that this conversation should come to an end. As I said to Edith, if the [[WP:DISRUPT|disruption]] to this adminship request continues it may require reporting to the admin noticeboard. Everyone is aware of your viewpoints, repeating them is just sounding like a broken record. Sorry to be blunt. If you really must continue this conversation then please use the talk page to continue it.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 18:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::::Please note I have expressed my view in my capacity as an editor and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jmh649&diff=379580516&oldid=379568215 RFA participant], not administrator nor bureaucrat. Expanded [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Jmh649#Literaturegeek|on talk page]]. –[[user:xeno|< |
#::::::Please note I have expressed my view in my capacity as an editor and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jmh649&diff=379580516&oldid=379568215 RFA participant], not administrator nor bureaucrat. Expanded [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Jmh649#Literaturegeek|on talk page]]. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 19:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::::::Apologies, have struck wording that implied you were commenting as an admin.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 19:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:::::::Apologies, have struck wording that implied you were commenting as an admin.--[[User:Literaturegeek|<span style="color:blue">Literature</span><span style="color:red">geek</span>]] | [[User_talk:Literaturegeek |<span style="color:orange">''T@1k?''</span>]] 19:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' I find Doc James to be someone who has been involved in quite a lot of controversy in a relatively brief time span, i.e., the Rorschach test situation, Arbitration cases in Transcendental Meditation, has been admonished, and has been blocked. That in itself does not make him an ideal candidate. My reaction in reading the neutral replies he presented in support of his nomination, was that they are not like the Doc James I see in the talk pages. There, he is often aggressive [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jmh649&diff=next&oldid=377923776], [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jmh649&diff=next&oldid=377933501], [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jmh649&diff=370920785&oldid=370920140], stubborn, and flippant. (He continues to argue his point, regardless of evidence [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Transcendental_Meditation&diff=prev&oldid=377562252]). To me these are the traits of someone who still has some maturing to do. Therefore, I do not feel he is yet ready to be an Administrator.--[[User:Luke Warmwater101|Luke Warmwater101]] ([[User talk:Luke Warmwater101|talk]]) 04:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::Right, to tag onto my current neutral, I'm stuck. It's clear that you're a fantastic contributor. You have GAs, you've clearly been active at the medical areas of wikipedia. I think you'd make good use of the tools for the redirect/deletion area, as long as you have the wide consensus of the medical community. However, your answer to question 1 basically hints at work at [[WP:AIV]] and [[WP:RPP]] and you have 60 and 13 edits respectively in these areas. This for me, isn't enough experience. I'll remain neutral for now, so my apologies, but you are a great contributor, so congrats on that. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #73C2FB">[[User:Paralympiakos|<font color="#120A8F">Paralympiakos</font>]]</SPAN> <FONT SIZE="1">[[User_Talk:Paralympiakos|(talk)]]</FONT> 09:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::Right, to tag onto my current neutral, I'm stuck. It's clear that you're a fantastic contributor. You have GAs, you've clearly been active at the medical areas of wikipedia. I think you'd make good use of the tools for the redirect/deletion area, as long as you have the wide consensus of the medical community. However, your answer to question 1 basically hints at work at [[WP:AIV]] and [[WP:RPP]] and you have 60 and 13 edits respectively in these areas. This for me, isn't enough experience. I'll remain neutral for now, so my apologies, but you are a great contributor, so congrats on that. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #73C2FB">[[User:Paralympiakos|<font color="#120A8F">Paralympiakos</font>]]</SPAN> <FONT SIZE="1">[[User_Talk:Paralympiakos|(talk)]]</FONT> 09:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:This disgust me. This is not why I disabled my edit counter. I disabled it so people would actually bother to look at the contributions (god forbid) instead of just making a snap decision with an edit counter. Actually making a decision based on the lack of an edit counter? What if the database was down? What if my account expired? You really ''cannot'' rely on this tool like this! There must be other ways, and I hope that you see the light before I reenable the tool next Tuesday. <small>([[User:X!|<span style="color:gray">X!</span>]] · [[User talk:X!|<span style="color:gray">talk</span>]]) · [[Swatch Internet Time|@931]] · </small> 21:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:This disgust me. This is not why I disabled my edit counter. I disabled it so people would actually bother to look at the contributions (god forbid) instead of just making a snap decision with an edit counter. Actually making a decision based on the lack of an edit counter? What if the database was down? What if my account expired? You really ''cannot'' rely on this tool like this! There must be other ways, and I hope that you see the light before I reenable the tool next Tuesday. <small>([[User:X!|<span style="color:gray">X!</span>]] · [[User talk:X!|<span style="color:gray">talk</span>]]) · [[Swatch Internet Time|@931]] · </small> 21:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::+1 I'm not totally sure X! should renenable it tbh. '''< |
#::+1 I'm not totally sure X! should renenable it tbh. '''<span style="color:#999; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:Jamesofur|<span style="color:#008;">James</span>]]'' ([[User talk:Jamesofur|<span style="color:#000;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jamesofur|<span style="color:#000;">C</span>]])''</span>''' 00:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:::I liked the edit counter; i used it to navigate editing patterns. Based on this vote and the ones below from [[User:Mono|Mono]] and [[User:WFCforLife|WFC]] i have to agree making people use that first grade skill of counting for themselves, and as a by-product actually end up reading some of the edits, would be a good thing. However there are other edit count tools floating around and being too lazy to use any of them is the poorest excuse to vote neutral one could give. Adding on legitimate reasons instead of replacing your initial reason doesn't read too well. One could be witty and claim that all voting rationales at this time are probably original research |
#:::I liked the edit counter; i used it to navigate editing patterns. Based on this vote and the ones below from [[User:Mono|Mono]] and [[User:WFCforLife|WFC]] i have to agree making people use that first grade skill of counting for themselves, and as a by-product actually end up reading some of the edits, would be a good thing. However there are other edit count tools floating around and being too lazy to use any of them is the poorest excuse to vote neutral one could give. Adding on legitimate reasons instead of replacing your initial reason doesn't read too well. One could be witty and claim that all voting rationales at this time are probably original research {{mono|1=:P}} <font face="Georgia">[[User:Deliriousandlost|<font color="#ff69b4">delirious</font>]] & [[Special:Contributions/Deliriousandlost|<font color="#ff69b4">lost</font>]] ☯ [[User Talk:Deliriousandlost|<sup><font color="purple">~hugs~</font></sup>]]</font> 21:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::::The edit counter may be turned back on around Aug 17th which will give everyone who has remained neutral due to an inability to use it time to look at my edit history. I hope all who wish to will reconsider at that point in time. Cheers.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::::The edit counter may be turned back on around Aug 17th which will give everyone who has remained neutral due to an inability to use it time to look at my edit history. I hope all who wish to will reconsider at that point in time. Cheers.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Boo hoo hoo! I'm not bothered about overall post count. That's not what I'm making the point about the edit counter for. However, experience in admin areas that the user wishes to work in is a valid reason for wanting to see the edit counter. Inexperienced editors would therefore be outed by the edit counter and give people a better idea whether to vote support or oppose. The two alternatives posted above don't give that option and searching through 27,000 edits to manually count edits to the likes of AIV and RPP.....yeah....people aren't going to do that. |
#:Boo hoo hoo! I'm not bothered about overall post count. That's not what I'm making the point about the edit counter for. However, experience in admin areas that the user wishes to work in is a valid reason for wanting to see the edit counter. Inexperienced editors would therefore be outed by the edit counter and give people a better idea whether to vote support or oppose. The two alternatives posted above don't give that option and searching through 27,000 edits to manually count edits to the likes of AIV and RPP.....yeah....people aren't going to do that. |
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#:Adding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649|arbitration sanctions]] to my reasons for neutrality, and '''leaning toward oppose''' somewhat. [[User:Esteffect|Esteffect]] ([[User talk:Esteffect|talk]]) 22:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:Adding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649|arbitration sanctions]] to my reasons for neutrality, and '''leaning toward oppose''' somewhat. [[User:Esteffect|Esteffect]] ([[User talk:Esteffect|talk]]) 22:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#I like the contributions, but I can't support because of your too recent block. Sorry. ~[[User:NerdyScienceDude|<span style="border:2px solid grey;background:black;color:green"><font face="Mistral">'''N<font color="#0F0">S</font><font color="#8d7">D</font>'''</font></span>]] ([[User:NSD/t|✉]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|✐]]) 00:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#I like the contributions, but I can't support because of your too recent block. Sorry. ~[[User:NerdyScienceDude|<span style="border:2px solid grey;background:black;color:green"><font face="Mistral">'''N<font color="#0F0">S</font><font color="#8d7">D</font>'''</font></span>]] ([[User:NSD/t|✉]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|✐]]) 00:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Wasn't that block over a year ago? <b>[[User:Will Beback|< |
#:Wasn't that block over a year ago? <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454;">Will Beback</span>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">talk</span>]] </b> 00:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Yea, this is really sad, people refusing to support because someone else's tool is down and the candidate was blocked for 48 hours over a year ago. Perhaps some of you are not aware that we had RFA ''before that particular tool even existed''. I know, that must have been like, when cavemen walked the earth with their stone-and-twig laptops... [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 02:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::Yea, this is really sad, people refusing to support because someone else's tool is down and the candidate was blocked for 48 hours over a year ago. Perhaps some of you are not aware that we had RFA ''before that particular tool even existed''. I know, that must have been like, when cavemen walked the earth with their stone-and-twig laptops... [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 02:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral, leaning support'''. Your contributions are excellent, but the edit warring is a little troublesome. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|< |
#'''Neutral, leaning support'''. Your contributions are excellent, but the edit warring is a little troublesome. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">♥</span>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">♦</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<span style="color:black;">♣</span>]] ♠ 05:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#I will not support a candidate until I can fully analyze their edit count. [[User:Mono|<span class="msig"><span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus"><big> '''ℳ'''</big><font color="white">ono</font> </font></span></span>]] 07:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#I will not support a candidate until I can fully analyze their edit count. [[User:Mono|<span class="msig"><span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus"><big> '''ℳ'''</big><font color="white">ono</font> </font></span></span>]] 07:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:I can sympathise with that, I recently met an oldtime wikipedian who told me he stopped !voting at RFA when we started getting candidates with over 2,000 edits because it took to long to analyse them. May I suggest you do what I do and only check a sample? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers |
#:I can sympathise with that, I recently met an oldtime wikipedian who told me he stopped !voting at RFA when we started getting candidates with over 2,000 edits because it took to long to analyse them. May I suggest you do what I do and only check a sample? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 13:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral leaning oppose''' The candidate has been around a long time and has >27,000 edits; however, the legal trouble involving Rorschach test, a 48-hour block in July 2009, and some pretty basic grammatical and syntactical errors (e.g. spelling the word grammar-->"grammer") causes me to have concerns.--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 12:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral leaning oppose''' The candidate has been around a long time and has >27,000 edits; however, the legal trouble involving Rorschach test, a 48-hour block in July 2009, and some pretty basic grammatical and syntactical errors (e.g. spelling the word grammar-->"grammer") causes me to have concerns.--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 12:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:Block'''s''', plural? [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 14:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:Block'''s''', plural? [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 14:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::I've checked, the candidate still only has one block from over a year ago and no recent blocks. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers |
#::I've checked, the candidate still only has one block from over a year ago and no recent blocks. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 14:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Neutral for now'''</s> I don't normally go neutral, but I'm really not sure about this one. This user is clearly an excellent content contributor, and we should all be thankful for that; but I'm not quite sure if he has the right attitude to be an administrator. I'm not too impressed by edits like this one to this RFA[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jmh649&diff=prev&oldid=378799396] (although he has now retracted it), and he doesn't use edit summaries as much as I'd like to see. I haven't seen anything serious enough to rule him out from being an admin, but I haven't seen anything that gives me great confidence in him as one either. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:<s>'''Neutral for now'''</s> I don't normally go neutral, but I'm really not sure about this one. This user is clearly an excellent content contributor, and we should all be thankful for that; but I'm not quite sure if he has the right attitude to be an administrator. I'm not too impressed by edits like this one to this RFA[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jmh649&diff=prev&oldid=378799396] (although he has now retracted it), and he doesn't use edit summaries as much as I'd like to see. I haven't seen anything serious enough to rule him out from being an admin, but I haven't seen anything that gives me great confidence in him as one either. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#::Moving to '''Oppose'''. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
#::Moving to '''Oppose'''. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:You know, that's a very good point Off2riorob. I'll play the optimist here and suggest that possibly being an admin will be incentive for Doc to get involved in other topic areas to a greater degree. You're correct that it would be inappropriate to use the tools in an area where you've had content disputes with the other editors and have made significant contributions. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 16:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:You know, that's a very good point Off2riorob. I'll play the optimist here and suggest that possibly being an admin will be incentive for Doc to get involved in other topic areas to a greater degree. You're correct that it would be inappropriate to use the tools in an area where you've had content disputes with the other editors and have made significant contributions. -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]]'''[[User talk:Atama|<span style="color:#000">頭</span>]] 16:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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#:: Thanks. I have the details about the legal issue and , touch wood, that could happen to anyone that contributes. although I would like to know a bit more about the nominees feelings as regards his possible ''anti censorship'' personal beliefs and the wikipedia's need to err on the side of caution as regards fair use and copyright issues. If the DOC would comment a bit more as to his actual intentions and needs for the tools and that he clearly realizes the possible COI claim if he used them in his chosen fields, eg, transcendental meditation and medicine that would be appreciated. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 17:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
#:: Thanks. I have the details about the legal issue and , touch wood, that could happen to anyone that contributes. although I would like to know a bit more about the nominees feelings as regards his possible ''anti censorship'' personal beliefs and the wikipedia's need to err on the side of caution as regards fair use and copyright issues. If the DOC would comment a bit more as to his actual intentions and needs for the tools and that he clearly realizes the possible COI claim if he used them in his chosen fields, eg, transcendental meditation and medicine that would be appreciated. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 17:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC) |
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