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:''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a '''successful''' [[wikipedia:requests for adminship|request for adminship]]. <strong style="color:red">Please do not modify it</strong>.[[Category:Successful requests for adminship|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] |
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'''Final (69/14/12); Closed as successful by [[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) at 21:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC) <!-- Template:finaltally -->''' |
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::'''A:''' It's probable that I will eventually, although that isn't my intended focus and I will, of course, only close those discussions in which I have not participated. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 16:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
::'''A:''' It's probable that I will eventually, although that isn't my intended focus and I will, of course, only close those discussions in which I have not participated. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 16:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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<s>:'''11.''' Do you think this question is really optional? Why? ::'''A:'''</s> < |
<s>:'''11.''' Do you think this question is really optional? Why? ::'''A:'''</s> [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 15:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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;Additional optional question from [[User:NuclearWarfare|NuclearWarfare]] |
;Additional optional question from [[User:NuclearWarfare|NuclearWarfare]] |
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::'''A:''' The four-warning system is not often treated as four required steps before a user can be blocked; the warning levels pertain to the degree of vandalism incurred, therefore a Level 4im may be issued to a user who has never before received a warning. I like the four warning levels because I believe them to sufficiently cover the range of vandalism that might be prevented by warnings. Nonetheless, I think that prolific vandals who demonstrate no sign of good faith should be blocked irrespective of whether or not they have already received four warnings, although this should not be done lightly. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 15:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
::'''A:''' The four-warning system is not often treated as four required steps before a user can be blocked; the warning levels pertain to the degree of vandalism incurred, therefore a Level 4im may be issued to a user who has never before received a warning. I like the four warning levels because I believe them to sufficiently cover the range of vandalism that might be prevented by warnings. Nonetheless, I think that prolific vandals who demonstrate no sign of good faith should be blocked irrespective of whether or not they have already received four warnings, although this should not be done lightly. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 15:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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;One quick question from [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
;One quick question from [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] |
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:'''17.''' My apologies for adding to your pile of questions, but this one is fairly simple. If you decided to broaden your focus beyond the areas you've expressed an interest in here, would you go through a second RfA? |
:'''17.''' My apologies for adding to your pile of questions, but this one is fairly simple. If you decided to broaden your focus beyond the areas you've expressed an interest in here, would you go through a second RfA? |
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::'''A:''' I don't think that it would make sense for me to request adminship if I am already an administrator. I would certainly be receptive to guidance and criticism if I were to start working in a new area, but I don't think that any formal process should be necessary unless my actions are clearly out of line, which will not be the case. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 00:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
::'''A:''' I don't think that it would make sense for me to request adminship if I am already an administrator. I would certainly be receptive to guidance and criticism if I were to start working in a new area, but I don't think that any formal process should be necessary unless my actions are clearly out of line, which will not be the case. [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 00:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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*Posted edit stats on talk page. < |
*Posted edit stats on talk page. [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 19:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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Eleven questions already? The RfA's only been open for about 30 minutes. <b>[[User:Soap|< |
Eleven questions already? The RfA's only been open for about 30 minutes. <b>[[User:Soap|<span style="color: green;">—</span>]][[User talk:Soap|<span style="color: #057602;">''Soap''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<span style="color: green;">—</span>]]</b> 20:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:Heheh, I came here and was like, "Why isn't the candidate answering questions?" Then I saw the tiestamp. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 20:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
:Heheh, I came here and was like, "Why isn't the candidate answering questions?" Then I saw the tiestamp. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 20:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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::Given the number and rapidity of the questions, you could, if you like, just pick one question to answer from each questioner, and we'll see if the voters are sympathetic ... I expect they will be. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 01:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
::Given the number and rapidity of the questions, you could, if you like, just pick one question to answer from each questioner, and we'll see if the voters are sympathetic ... I expect they will be. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 01:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Very good article contributions! [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 20:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - Very good article contributions! [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 20:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Support''' Impressed by contribs.</s> < |
#:<s>'''Support''' Impressed by contribs.</s> <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:red;">'''Baseball'''</span>]][[User talk:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:blue;">''' Watcher'''</span>]]</span> 21:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Moving to neutral because of what Fastily is saying. < |
#::Moving to neutral because of what Fastily is saying. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:red;">'''Baseball'''</span>]][[User talk:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:blue;">''' Watcher'''</span>]]</span> 23:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' long term editor with even more edits than me. There is a block from ten months ago, but due to the subsequent unblock I'm more than happy to disregard it and treat it as a clean blocklog. Deleted edits look OK to me, though one very minor point, I'd prefer edit summaries that say whether you are prodding or using a particular CSD tag instead of just "suggested deletion". There is some concern in the oppose section about diversity of editing, if other editors share those concerns may I suggest they look at the editors contributions to [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carabane/archive1|the FAC for Neelix's FA]]. This is an editor with a proven record of doing good stuff in multiple areas, and who is clueful and civil. The proportion of edits doesn't bother me when compared to their diversity and breadth - Neelix has done humongous amount of certain things and perfectly adequate amounts of others. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers |
#'''Support''' long term editor with even more edits than me. There is a block from ten months ago, but due to the subsequent unblock I'm more than happy to disregard it and treat it as a clean blocklog. Deleted edits look OK to me, though one very minor point, I'd prefer edit summaries that say whether you are prodding or using a particular CSD tag instead of just "suggested deletion". There is some concern in the oppose section about diversity of editing, if other editors share those concerns may I suggest they look at the editors contributions to [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carabane/archive1|the FAC for Neelix's FA]]. This is an editor with a proven record of doing good stuff in multiple areas, and who is clueful and civil. The proportion of edits doesn't bother me when compared to their diversity and breadth - Neelix has done humongous amount of certain things and perfectly adequate amounts of others. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 00:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Checks of a month of user and article talk reveal competent communication skills. Other contributions reveal a strong grasp of policy. In regards to the opposes as of this vote, I think it's important to frame the candidate's namespace spread in terms of the type of editing they do. Neelix appears to be a classic gnome. When one spends one's time fixing disambiguation pages and making other uncontroversial but critical fixes to standardize the 'pedia, 1 or 2 edits in one hundred being direct communication is perfectly reasonable. I am more concerned with the quality of that communication than with the amount (which even at 1% of the candidate's contributions is a reasonable number for a candidate with a more "normal" edit count). When the editor is challenged on a move, they respond appropriately and are able to explain their reasoning clearly. Regarding concerns about the lack of projectspace edits, to me this indicates a focused editor. Not everyone is interested in whack-a-mole, and there's no reason to deny useful tools to an editor who isn't. Clearly the candidate is able to learn policy well and I have no doubt that should they decide to become active in deletion or vandal fighting that they will easily master that policy as well. This is Wikipedia, not a [[Operating theater|sickbay]]. :) --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 00:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Checks of a month of user and article talk reveal competent communication skills. Other contributions reveal a strong grasp of policy. In regards to the opposes as of this vote, I think it's important to frame the candidate's namespace spread in terms of the type of editing they do. Neelix appears to be a classic gnome. When one spends one's time fixing disambiguation pages and making other uncontroversial but critical fixes to standardize the 'pedia, 1 or 2 edits in one hundred being direct communication is perfectly reasonable. I am more concerned with the quality of that communication than with the amount (which even at 1% of the candidate's contributions is a reasonable number for a candidate with a more "normal" edit count). When the editor is challenged on a move, they respond appropriately and are able to explain their reasoning clearly. Regarding concerns about the lack of projectspace edits, to me this indicates a focused editor. Not everyone is interested in whack-a-mole, and there's no reason to deny useful tools to an editor who isn't. Clearly the candidate is able to learn policy well and I have no doubt that should they decide to become active in deletion or vandal fighting that they will easily master that policy as well. This is Wikipedia, not a [[Operating theater|sickbay]]. :) --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 00:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#Having 13 questions already? Sheesh, auto-support. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 01:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#Having 13 questions already? Sheesh, auto-support. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 01:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Good communication skills, definitely has a clue, knows what the project is all about and trustworthy. He wants to work in requested moves which is pretty straightforward. He has experience with deletion discussions. This is a guaranteed net positive. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:54, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Good communication skills, definitely has a clue, knows what the project is all about and trustworthy. He wants to work in requested moves which is pretty straightforward. He has experience with deletion discussions. This is a guaranteed net positive. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:54, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - More than enough experience in the proposed work areas to use the tools with a minimum of mistakes. No reason to believe candidate will deliberately misuse tools. Candidate's work will clearly benefit from tools. Candidate seems open to constructive criticism and review of their use of the tools. - [[User:DustFormsWords|DustFormsWords]] ([[User talk:DustFormsWords|talk]]) 03:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - More than enough experience in the proposed work areas to use the tools with a minimum of mistakes. No reason to believe candidate will deliberately misuse tools. Candidate's work will clearly benefit from tools. Candidate seems open to constructive criticism and review of their use of the tools. - [[User:DustFormsWords|DustFormsWords]] ([[User talk:DustFormsWords|talk]]) 03:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Some amazing edits. Some good article creations. Talk page interactions seem well too. – < |
#'''Support''' Some amazing edits. Some good article creations. Talk page interactions seem well too. – [[User:Novice7|<b style="font-family:Arial; color:CornflowerBlue;">Novice7</b>]] ([[User talk:Novice7|<b style="font-family:Arial; color:DodgerBlue;">talk</b>]]) 03:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Long term editor, definitely will not delete the main page and would benefit from the tools. Edit counts or percentages aren't very relevant with someone who has this much experience. '''< |
#'''Support''' Long term editor, definitely will not delete the main page and would benefit from the tools. Edit counts or percentages aren't very relevant with someone who has this much experience. '''[[User:Royalbroil|<span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span>]][[User talk:Royalbroil|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span>]]''' 05:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''"How is this user not already an admin?" support''' Comments made thus far by those opposing do not convince me that it would not be a strong net positive for this candidate not to have the mop. Good luck! [[User:Strikerforce|Strikerforce]] ([[User talk:Strikerforce|talk]]) 07:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''"How is this user not already an admin?" support''' Comments made thus far by those opposing do not convince me that it would not be a strong net positive for this candidate not to have the mop. Good luck! [[User:Strikerforce|Strikerforce]] ([[User talk:Strikerforce|talk]]) 07:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#I disagree with Royalbroil's second sentence to a certain extent. Nonetheless, everything is exactly as has been been stated in the nomination statement and opening questions. Wikispace contributions were a cause for concern (not in terms of the overall number, but frequency: a lot of them were years ago). I looked deeper, and the ''quality'' of AfD participation is very high on the whole. As an example, this user clearly has an interest in [[The Bill]], but if you check out his Bill-related AfD participation, it's even-handed, and his arguments grounded in policy and sitewide practise. In summary, I trust him to primarily work on moves (for which he is clearly qualified), and I am not concerned should he decide to expand into other areas. In response to the three current opposes (two of which go much further than editcountitis and should therefore be respected), deletion is far and away the biggest deal of all, because it's the area you can get away with murder in. Neelix has proven himself to be trusted to delete/not delete things as appropriate. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 07:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#I disagree with Royalbroil's second sentence to a certain extent. Nonetheless, everything is exactly as has been been stated in the nomination statement and opening questions. Wikispace contributions were a cause for concern (not in terms of the overall number, but frequency: a lot of them were years ago). I looked deeper, and the ''quality'' of AfD participation is very high on the whole. As an example, this user clearly has an interest in [[The Bill]], but if you check out his Bill-related AfD participation, it's even-handed, and his arguments grounded in policy and sitewide practise. In summary, I trust him to primarily work on moves (for which he is clearly qualified), and I am not concerned should he decide to expand into other areas. In response to the three current opposes (two of which go much further than editcountitis and should therefore be respected), deletion is far and away the biggest deal of all, because it's the area you can get away with murder in. Neelix has proven himself to be trusted to delete/not delete things as appropriate. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 07:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:Here's a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?limit=250&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Neelix&namespace=4&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 diff] for those looking to more closely analyse recent contributions to Wikispace. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 09:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:Here's a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?limit=250&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Neelix&namespace=4&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 diff] for those looking to more closely analyse recent contributions to Wikispace. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 09:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I would oppose if there is a mistake this editor has made, but when there are lack of edits in the Wikipedia and talk space, this isn't the case. Other important thing is, the editor likes to start slowly (i.e. on one area) which is a good start for an administrator. I'm pleased that the expected outcome of this area would be a lot of "Thank you" based comments. These are the several reasons why I support this candidate. [[User:Minimac|< |
#'''Support''' I would oppose if there is a mistake this editor has made, but when there are lack of edits in the Wikipedia and talk space, this isn't the case. Other important thing is, the editor likes to start slowly (i.e. on one area) which is a good start for an administrator. I'm pleased that the expected outcome of this area would be a lot of "Thank you" based comments. These are the several reasons why I support this candidate. [[User:Minimac|<span style="color: #0645AD;">Minima</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<span style="color: #0645AD;">c</span>]]<span style="color: #0645AD;"></span> ([[User talk:Minimac|<span style="color: #0645AD;">talk</span>]]) 07:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#All things considered, I think you'll be fine. Good luck. < |
#All things considered, I think you'll be fine. Good luck. <span style="font-family:Arial;"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<span style="color:#02e;">Peter</span><b style="color:#02b;">Symonds</b>]] ([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Simply awesome work done for Wikipedia. '''''[[User:DARTH SIDIOUS 2|DARTH SIDIOUS 2]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:DARTH SIDIOUS 2|Contact]])</sup> 08:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Simply awesome work done for Wikipedia. '''''[[User:DARTH SIDIOUS 2|DARTH SIDIOUS 2]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:DARTH SIDIOUS 2|Contact]])</sup> 08:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Someone with that amount of experience who wants the tools to do a specific job that is often backlogged - sounds fine to me. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 11:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Someone with that amount of experience who wants the tools to do a specific job that is often backlogged - sounds fine to me. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 11:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Wikipedia has benefited hugely from having you here. Great work. [[User:Orphan Wiki|< |
#'''Support''' - Wikipedia has benefited hugely from having you here. Great work. [[User:Orphan Wiki|<span style="color: Blue;">'''Orphan'''</span> <span style="color: #00a0B0;">'''''Wiki'''''</span>]] 11:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Very valuable and prolific editor; I'm not impressed by the oppose rationales. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Very valuable and prolific editor; I'm not impressed by the oppose rationales. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Prolific contributions, no concerns, appreciate the temperament evidenced at the Carabane FAC. Review of random contributions looked great. --[[User:Joe Decker|j<small>⚛</small>e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 16:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Prolific contributions, no concerns, appreciate the temperament evidenced at the Carabane FAC. Review of random contributions looked great. --[[User:Joe Decker|j<small>⚛</small>e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 16:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Everything checks out just fine with me. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 20:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Everything checks out just fine with me. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 20:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I see a competent content producing editor who has the right temperament. I am confident that he will not abuse the tools. [[User:Lovetinkle|Lovetinkle]] ([[User talk:Lovetinkle|talk]]) 20:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' I see a competent content producing editor who has the right temperament. I am confident that he will not abuse the tools. [[User:Lovetinkle|Lovetinkle]] ([[User talk:Lovetinkle|talk]]) 20:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' A good content contributor, knows the policy well and great answers to the questions. I'm confident he will be net positive as an admin. < |
#'''Support''' A good content contributor, knows the policy well and great answers to the questions. I'm confident he will be net positive as an admin. [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 20:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' per my general rule of supporting anyone where the only reason to oppose is edit namespace balance. You're obviously a fine and trusted editor. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 23:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' per my general rule of supporting anyone where the only reason to oppose is edit namespace balance. You're obviously a fine and trusted editor. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 23:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Nice content edits and nice job answering questions. :) <sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiManOne|W]]</sub>[[User:WikiManOne|'''M''']]<sup>[[User_talk:WikiManOne|O]]</sup> <sub><span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>Please leave me a wb if you reply</small></span></sub> 01:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - Nice content edits and nice job answering questions. :) <sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiManOne|W]]</sub>[[User:WikiManOne|'''M''']]<sup>[[User_talk:WikiManOne|O]]</sup> <sub><span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>Please leave me a wb if you reply</small></span></sub> 01:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#Clearly dedicated and trustworthy, opposition are grasping at straws. [[User talk:Aiken drum|AD]] 13:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#Clearly dedicated and trustworthy, opposition are grasping at straws. [[User talk:Aiken drum|AD]] 13:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Like the answer to question 16. I trust this user with the mop. <!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];Wireless Keyboard-->[[User:Wireless Keyboard|<span style="color:#333; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px;background-color:#CEE1DD; padding: 2px 2px; letter-spacing: 3px;">► Wireless </span>]][[User talk:Wireless Keyboard|<span style="color:#333; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px;background-color:#CEE1DD; padding: 2px 2px; letter-spacing: 3px;">Keyboard ◄</span>]]<!--ESC:Wireless Keyboard-->. 16:45, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - Like the answer to question 16. I trust this user with the mop. <!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];Wireless Keyboard-->[[User:Wireless Keyboard|<span style="color:#333; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px;background-color:#CEE1DD; padding: 2px 2px; letter-spacing: 3px;">► Wireless </span>]][[User talk:Wireless Keyboard|<span style="color:#333; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px;background-color:#CEE1DD; padding: 2px 2px; letter-spacing: 3px;">Keyboard ◄</span>]]<!--ESC:Wireless Keyboard-->. 16:45, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#Per Chaser, RegentsPark. |
#Per Chaser, RegentsPark. [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 18:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. I've seen Neelix around the wiki and I fully trust him and his abilities. I think we desperately need another admin to help out with the backlogs, especially at [[WP:RM]] because it's an oft neglected process. {{User|Fuhghettaboutit}} has been doing a awesome job so far at manually evaluating and closing the discussions, but it seems like he's all alone out there, meanwhile some requests sit there for months. Yes, if Neelix was to help out in the area he's got a definite strong support from me. -- [[User:OlEnglish|< |
#'''Support'''. I've seen Neelix around the wiki and I fully trust him and his abilities. I think we desperately need another admin to help out with the backlogs, especially at [[WP:RM]] because it's an oft neglected process. {{User|Fuhghettaboutit}} has been doing a awesome job so far at manually evaluating and closing the discussions, but it seems like he's all alone out there, meanwhile some requests sit there for months. Yes, if Neelix was to help out in the area he's got a definite strong support from me. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>™</sup>]] 18:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' <strong>[[User:RayAYang|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Ray</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:RayAYang|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 19:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' <strong>[[User:RayAYang|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Ray</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:RayAYang|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 19:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''support''' Worried a bit about ability to deal with conflict and limited areas of interest/experience, otherwise looks great and has good attitude about things. Will clearly help in areas that need help. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 21:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''support''' Worried a bit about ability to deal with conflict and limited areas of interest/experience, otherwise looks great and has good attitude about things. Will clearly help in areas that need help. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 21:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Ratio of edits to Wikipedia project space doesn't concern me that much. Neelix has made similar amounts of edits to project space as several of January's successful RfA candidates ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Acdixon], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Ponyo], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Gonzonoir]). I'm going to assume that over the course of his/her 95,000 edits to article space, s/he has learned through trial and error a lot of the skills/policy needed to wield the mop. If there was a demonstrated tendency by this editor to "lone wolf" it in contentious areas, I would be worried, but I haven't seen that here. [[User:The Interior|< |
#'''Support''' Ratio of edits to Wikipedia project space doesn't concern me that much. Neelix has made similar amounts of edits to project space as several of January's successful RfA candidates ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Acdixon], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Ponyo], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Gonzonoir]). I'm going to assume that over the course of his/her 95,000 edits to article space, s/he has learned through trial and error a lot of the skills/policy needed to wield the mop. If there was a demonstrated tendency by this editor to "lone wolf" it in contentious areas, I would be worried, but I haven't seen that here. [[User:The Interior|<span style="color:brown;">The</span><span style="color:green;"> Interior</span>]] [[User Talk:The Interior|(Talk)]] 22:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. The answer to my question wasn't quite what I was expecting, but it was well reasoned (and concisely so, which is never a bad thing!). If you do broaden your horizons, I would encourage you to seek feedback, but you're a competent and obviously dedicated editor. I think you posses sufficient clue to be trusted with the entire toolset and to not wade in aimlessly, so I wish you the very best of luck. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
#'''Support'''. The answer to my question wasn't quite what I was expecting, but it was well reasoned (and concisely so, which is never a bad thing!). If you do broaden your horizons, I would encourage you to seek feedback, but you're a competent and obviously dedicated editor. I think you posses sufficient clue to be trusted with the entire toolset and to not wade in aimlessly, so I wish you the very best of luck. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 02:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' See my comments below. After five years, the only real question for me is whether there is affirmative evidence that someone would abuse the tools. I see quite the opposite here.--[[User:Chaser (away)|Chaser (away)]] - [[User talk:Chaser (away)|talk]] 05:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' See my comments below. After five years, the only real question for me is whether there is affirmative evidence that someone would abuse the tools. I see quite the opposite here.--[[User:Chaser (away)|Chaser (away)]] - [[User talk:Chaser (away)|talk]] 05:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#Trustworthy user needs tools to work on RMs, and we need more people working on RMs. [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 06:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#Trustworthy user needs tools to work on RMs, and we need more people working on RMs. [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 06:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Incredibly prolific, good communication, experienced in applying policy and a clear rationale. Both deserving of greater responsibility and capable of exercising it wisely.[[User:Alistair Stevenson|Alistair Stevenson]] ([[User talk:Alistair Stevenson|talk]]) 18:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Incredibly prolific, good communication, experienced in applying policy and a clear rationale. Both deserving of greater responsibility and capable of exercising it wisely.[[User:Alistair Stevenson|Alistair Stevenson]] ([[User talk:Alistair Stevenson|talk]]) 18:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Good luck. [[User:Monterey Bay|Monterey Bay]] ([[User talk:Monterey Bay|talk]]) 19:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - Good luck. [[User:Monterey Bay|Monterey Bay]] ([[User talk:Monterey Bay|talk]]) 19:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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# '''Support''' Seems trustworthy to me. < |
# '''Support''' Seems trustworthy to me. [[User:Steven Walling|<span style="font-family:Georgia;">Steven Walling</span>]] 20:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#From what I've read above and below looks like a good candidate. If anyone comes up with evidence that suggests Neelix might use the tools unwisely other than what is listed below already (as of 23:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)) please do ping me on my talk page. [[User:Peter/s|Peter]] 23:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#From what I've read above and below looks like a good candidate. If anyone comes up with evidence that suggests Neelix might use the tools unwisely other than what is listed below already (as of 23:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)) please do ping me on my talk page. [[User:Peter/s|Peter]] 23:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Fully qualified candidate, strong history of contributions. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:00, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Fully qualified candidate, strong history of contributions. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:00, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' If we start rejecting or opposing such candidates, I'm afraid that credible candidates would simply stop requesting for adminship. After such a dedicated commitment to this project - obviously in those areas that the editor is interested in - and especially over so many years, I would have expected this editor's request to pass with flying colors. I do hope that !voters in this RfA view this editor in the perspective of whether this editor would be a benefit to the project if their adminship request were to be passed. I believe the answer to that would determine the fact that this editor can be trusted without any issues with the tools.[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em"> Wifione </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">.......</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message</sup>''']] 09:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' If we start rejecting or opposing such candidates, I'm afraid that credible candidates would simply stop requesting for adminship. After such a dedicated commitment to this project - obviously in those areas that the editor is interested in - and especially over so many years, I would have expected this editor's request to pass with flying colors. I do hope that !voters in this RfA view this editor in the perspective of whether this editor would be a benefit to the project if their adminship request were to be passed. I believe the answer to that would determine the fact that this editor can be trusted without any issues with the tools.[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em"> Wifione </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">.......</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message</sup>''']] 09:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Give him a mop! [[User:Brookie|'''< |
#'''Support''' Give him a mop! [[User:Brookie|'''<span style="color:#000888;">Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere! </span>''']] [[User talk:Brookie|<sup>(Whisper...)</sup>]] 10:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Seems competent and level headed, that's all you really need. [[User:Matty|Matty]] ([[User talk:Matty|talk]]) 12:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Seems competent and level headed, that's all you really need. [[User:Matty|Matty]] ([[User talk:Matty|talk]]) 12:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Long established record of encyclopedia building, not pursuaded by the opposes. I will concede that proportionately his project space experience isn't that great, but the absolute quantity is fine. The user's record shows an appropriate temperment, and his/her history shows that they are unlikely to cause damage to the project. Given the way that most admins ignore [[WP:RM|requested moves]] (guilty!), we should be supportive of a credible claim of wishing to work there. [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 14:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Long established record of encyclopedia building, not pursuaded by the opposes. I will concede that proportionately his project space experience isn't that great, but the absolute quantity is fine. The user's record shows an appropriate temperment, and his/her history shows that they are unlikely to cause damage to the project. Given the way that most admins ignore [[WP:RM|requested moves]] (guilty!), we should be supportive of a credible claim of wishing to work there. [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 14:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' per Wifione and Xymmax. <span style="">[[User:Salih|< |
#'''Support''' per Wifione and Xymmax. <span style="">[[User:Salih|<span style="color:#e90;">Salih</span>]] [[User talk:Salih|(<span style="color:#08c;">talk</span>)]]</span> 15:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - moved from neutral. Obviously a clueful editor with a background that has demonstrated commitment to the project. I appreciate the candidate's straightforward answers to the questions. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 16:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' - moved from neutral. Obviously a clueful editor with a background that has demonstrated commitment to the project. I appreciate the candidate's straightforward answers to the questions. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 16:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Generally good editor and community member. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>22:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC).</small><br /> |
#'''Support''' - Generally good editor and community member. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>22:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC).</small><br /> |
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#'''Support''' Anyone with this much content creation experience ought to have a pretty good idea of how the tools should be used. --[[User:Sodabottle|Sodabottle]] ([[User talk:Sodabottle|talk]]) 16:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Anyone with this much content creation experience ought to have a pretty good idea of how the tools should be used. --[[User:Sodabottle|Sodabottle]] ([[User talk:Sodabottle|talk]]) 16:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' as per Newyorkbrads position, trustable experianced user who won't make the wheels drop of with the mop. Neelix has also stated on his talkpage his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Neelix#RFA acceptance] of community recall using [[User:Lar/Accountability]]. I trust them to take their time as they develop their mopping skills. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 18:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' as per Newyorkbrads position, trustable experianced user who won't make the wheels drop of with the mop. Neelix has also stated on his talkpage his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Neelix#RFA acceptance] of community recall using [[User:Lar/Accountability]]. I trust them to take their time as they develop their mopping skills. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 18:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''- Absolutely. Clearly knows their stuff and I see no convincing evidence that they will misuse the tools. [[User:Reyk|< |
#'''Support'''- Absolutely. Clearly knows their stuff and I see no convincing evidence that they will misuse the tools. [[User:Reyk|<span style="color:maroon;">'''Reyk'''</span>]] [[User talk:Reyk|'''<sub style="color:blue;">YO!</sub>''']] 20:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Long-term, dedicated editor with no apparent competence or behavioral issues? These are the type of admins we ''want''. I see no evidence presented to suggest that Neelix wouldn't be perfectly capable of ''learning'' any admin tasks outside of his or her present interests and judiciously following Wiki policy. Sheesh people. — [[User:Scientizzle|Scien]]''[[User talk:Scientizzle|tizzle]]'' 20:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Long-term, dedicated editor with no apparent competence or behavioral issues? These are the type of admins we ''want''. I see no evidence presented to suggest that Neelix wouldn't be perfectly capable of ''learning'' any admin tasks outside of his or her present interests and judiciously following Wiki policy. Sheesh people. — [[User:Scientizzle|Scien]]''[[User talk:Scientizzle|tizzle]]'' 20:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. This is the type of reasonable, experienced, trusted editor that should have admin tools. Users that are primarily content contributors and don't spend their time in drama-burdened areas of Wikipedia namespace make the best admins. -- [[User:Edgar181|Ed]] ([[User talk:Edgar181|Edgar181]]) 21:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. This is the type of reasonable, experienced, trusted editor that should have admin tools. Users that are primarily content contributors and don't spend their time in drama-burdened areas of Wikipedia namespace make the best admins. -- [[User:Edgar181|Ed]] ([[User talk:Edgar181|Edgar181]]) 21:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. I waited until fairly late in this RfA before deciding, because I haven't crossed paths with the candidate despite the extensive edit history, and I wanted to see what would come up in the opposition. Honestly, I'm underwhelmed with the reasons that have been given for opposing, and I've read them carefully and looked at the provided links. What I think I see is a user who has a long track record that is free of trouble-making, who wants to make contributions to a specific administrative area where there is an unmet need. It seems to me that this is a net positive with very little risk. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. I waited until fairly late in this RfA before deciding, because I haven't crossed paths with the candidate despite the extensive edit history, and I wanted to see what would come up in the opposition. Honestly, I'm underwhelmed with the reasons that have been given for opposing, and I've read them carefully and looked at the provided links. What I think I see is a user who has a long track record that is free of trouble-making, who wants to make contributions to a specific administrative area where there is an unmet need. It seems to me that this is a net positive with very little risk. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Anyone who is aware of my participation rate at RFA will know that I don't support many candidates, but Neelix is one of those who I do support. '''[[User:Horologium|< |
#'''Support''' Anyone who is aware of my participation rate at RFA will know that I don't support many candidates, but Neelix is one of those who I do support. '''[[User:Horologium|<span style="color:DarkSlateGray;">Horologium</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 01:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Like Tryptofish, I waited to see if the opposers could convince me. They have not been able to, and I support with thanks to the candidate for his many acts of service. My best to you, [[User:Jusdafax|< |
#'''Support''' - Like Tryptofish, I waited to see if the opposers could convince me. They have not been able to, and I support with thanks to the candidate for his many acts of service. My best to you, [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]] 01:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' - Looks fine; no concerns. [[User:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:navy;">'''Alexius'''</span>]][[User talk:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:darkred;">'''Horatius''' |
#'''Support''' - Looks fine; no concerns. [[User:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:navy;">'''Alexius'''</span>]][[User talk:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:darkred;">'''Horatius'''</span>]] 05:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. Too many article edits?? WTF?? [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 17:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. Too many article edits?? WTF?? [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 17:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::Great, all non-content admins are going to get banned one day. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 21:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::::Great, all non-content admins are going to get banned one day. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 21:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::All I'm saying is that knowledge of policy is not a guarantee of respect of policy. Like anyone, I'd love to have an admin corps that consists solely of people who have extensive content experience, extensive project-space experience and extensive policy knowledge. But those are rare and I believe that there are fully competent admins that don't have all of that. If you look at my RfA participation, you'll find that I often support people with, say, limited content experience. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:::::All I'm saying is that knowledge of policy is not a guarantee of respect of policy. Like anyone, I'd love to have an admin corps that consists solely of people who have extensive content experience, extensive project-space experience and extensive policy knowledge. But those are rare and I believe that there are fully competent admins that don't have all of that. If you look at my RfA participation, you'll find that I often support people with, say, limited content experience. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. Largely per Fastily. Although the number of your contributions is impressive, I am concerned you do not have enough evident experience in AIV, ANI, RFPP, CSD etc. or in counter vandalism work. Whilst I appreciate you want to work in a specific area, I too feel the admin bit is a complete toolset. I generally do not support admin candidates that do not have experience in counter vandal work—per [[User:Pol430/RfA Criteria|my criteria]]. [[User:Pol430|< |
#'''Oppose'''. Largely per Fastily. Although the number of your contributions is impressive, I am concerned you do not have enough evident experience in AIV, ANI, RFPP, CSD etc. or in counter vandalism work. Whilst I appreciate you want to work in a specific area, I too feel the admin bit is a complete toolset. I generally do not support admin candidates that do not have experience in counter vandal work—per [[User:Pol430/RfA Criteria|my criteria]]. [[User:Pol430|<span style="color: #00008B;">'''Pol430'''</span>]] [[User talk:Pol430|''talk to me'']] 23:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak Oppose'''. Concerns about [[WP:EDITCOUNTITIS|Editcountitis]] (evidenced by their self-nom statement and userboxes), lack of WP namespace experience in terms of both proportion and overall number: less than 0.75% of overall edits, less than 1,000 edits, not seeing the required experience. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#'''Weak Oppose'''. Concerns about [[WP:EDITCOUNTITIS|Editcountitis]] (evidenced by their self-nom statement and userboxes), lack of WP namespace experience in terms of both proportion and overall number: less than 0.75% of overall edits, less than 1,000 edits, not seeing the required experience. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 08:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:I'm not saying this concern isn't valid. But it's a bit odd to hold editcountitis against the candidate, when the rest of the rationale is based predominantly on editing statistics. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 09:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:I'm not saying this concern isn't valid. But it's a bit odd to hold editcountitis against the candidate, when the rest of the rationale is based predominantly on editing statistics. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 09:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Indeed. "Editcountitis" is very rarely a malicious attribute; it's simply a nice number to look at. [[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 11:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::Indeed. "Editcountitis" is very rarely a malicious attribute; it's simply a nice number to look at. [[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 11:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::I think WFC is hinting at the paradox that I'm opposing partially based on editcountitis, partially based on edit count. The potential of irony isn't beyond me. However, the two main reasons for my oppose are the candidate's [alleged] fixation on their edit count, and a lack of experience. Not so paradoxical when you look at it like that. If I demonstrated editcountitis in my oppose (i.e. 'candidate has less than 10,000 edits' or something like that) while simultaneously citing concerns of editcountitis on ''their part'', you would have a valid point. If anyone can't take the 'editcountitis' argument seriously, let me stress my other concern regarding their lack of experience, as noted by the other opposes. Good day, ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#:::I think WFC is hinting at the paradox that I'm opposing partially based on editcountitis, partially based on edit count. The potential of irony isn't beyond me. However, the two main reasons for my oppose are the candidate's [alleged] fixation on their edit count, and a lack of experience. Not so paradoxical when you look at it like that. If I demonstrated editcountitis in my oppose (i.e. 'candidate has less than 10,000 edits' or something like that) while simultaneously citing concerns of editcountitis on ''their part'', you would have a valid point. If anyone can't take the 'editcountitis' argument seriously, let me stress my other concern regarding their lack of experience, as noted by the other opposes. Good day, ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 12:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::You guys are aware of the impending admin shortage, yes? Now we are turning away editors with over 100,000 edits because "they don't have enough edits"? Really? Suppose there was a user who was virtually identical to Neelix, except that he had only been here for 2 years, had the same number of FA's and GA's and such, and had 10,000 edits total, 10% of which were to the WP namespace. Would you support that candidate? If you do the math on Neelix's WP namespace edits, it works out to about one edit every two days for the full 5 years he's been here. [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#a00 -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#5a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|speak]]</small></sup> 03:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::::You guys are aware of the impending admin shortage, yes? Now we are turning away editors with over 100,000 edits because "they don't have enough edits"? Really? Suppose there was a user who was virtually identical to Neelix, except that he had only been here for 2 years, had the same number of FA's and GA's and such, and had 10,000 edits total, 10% of which were to the WP namespace. Would you support that candidate? If you do the math on Neelix's WP namespace edits, it works out to about one edit every two days for the full 5 years he's been here. [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#a00 -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#5a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|speak]]</small></sup> 03:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::Based on [[User:Swarm/RfA criteria|my RfA criteria]] (which I feel are very lenient), I probably ''wouldn't'' support that candidate. While Neelix's article space contributions should be commended, that doesn't necessarily mean they're trustworthy with the admin tools. Adminship is a tool granted to experienced and trustworthy users, not a reward for article work, however outstanding. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#:::::Based on [[User:Swarm/RfA criteria|my RfA criteria]] (which I feel are very lenient), I probably ''wouldn't'' support that candidate. While Neelix's article space contributions should be commended, that doesn't necessarily mean they're trustworthy with the admin tools. Adminship is a tool granted to experienced and trustworthy users, not a reward for article work, however outstanding. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 04:10, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::::You're right, it's not a reward, but it's also [[WP:NOBIGDEAL]]. I find it hard to understand that you (and others) can base your oppose of this particular candidate on inexperience. He's been here for 5 years, and has a six-figure edit count, you don't think he's figured out how things work around here yet? I understand your RfA criteria, and I think that's a valid rule of thumb for ordinary RfA candidates with edit counts in the 5000-25000 range. But for a candidate who's been editing non-stop for 5 years, I think we need to show a little more respect and perhaps do a little more research than just looking at a percentage. Do the candidate's answers show that he intends to work in areas in which he is inexperienced? Do you have any diffs that show he is inexperienced in certain areas? I think his answers show clearly that even if he did start working in other areas with which he is unfamiliar, he would approach them cautiously and ask questions. What else can we possibly ask of any candidate? [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#00a -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#a00 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|spout]]</small></sup> 14:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::::::You're right, it's not a reward, but it's also [[WP:NOBIGDEAL]]. I find it hard to understand that you (and others) can base your oppose of this particular candidate on inexperience. He's been here for 5 years, and has a six-figure edit count, you don't think he's figured out how things work around here yet? I understand your RfA criteria, and I think that's a valid rule of thumb for ordinary RfA candidates with edit counts in the 5000-25000 range. But for a candidate who's been editing non-stop for 5 years, I think we need to show a little more respect and perhaps do a little more research than just looking at a percentage. Do the candidate's answers show that he intends to work in areas in which he is inexperienced? Do you have any diffs that show he is inexperienced in certain areas? I think his answers show clearly that even if he did start working in other areas with which he is unfamiliar, he would approach them cautiously and ask questions. What else can we possibly ask of any candidate? [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#00a -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#a00 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|spout]]</small></sup> 14:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::::I don't have any diffs to show he is inexperienced; indeed there's no diffs to be had to evaluate them by. That's what concerns me. While I a little feel bad for opposing a candidate who has dedicated so much time to Wikipedia, I'd rather see experience that I can actually evaluate their potential skills of admin related areas. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#:::::::I don't have any diffs to show he is inexperienced; indeed there's no diffs to be had to evaluate them by. That's what concerns me. While I a little feel bad for opposing a candidate who has dedicated so much time to Wikipedia, I'd rather see experience that I can actually evaluate their potential skills of admin related areas. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 18:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::::That was a bad response, let me rephrase: I once supported a candidate out of respect to their article contributions and their assertions that they would stay away from the WP space. I recently saw them perform a pretty terrible AfD close. And I regretted giving them my trust based on an assumption. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#:::::::That was a bad response, let me rephrase: I once supported a candidate out of respect to their article contributions and their assertions that they would stay away from the WP space. I recently saw them perform a pretty terrible AfD close. And I regretted giving them my trust based on an assumption. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 22:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:{{outdent|::::::}} I appreciate how that experience would make you more hesitant. But for individual AFDs, we have [[WP:DRV|deletion review]]. The more important issue is whether one could take Neelix aside and talk to him about his tool use in particular instances. The fact is that a lot of adminship is learning on the job. I see nothing in Neelix's temperament to make me think he wouldn't be capable of it.--[[User:Chaser (away)|Chaser (away)]] - [[User talk:Chaser (away)|talk]] 05:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:{{outdent|::::::}} I appreciate how that experience would make you more hesitant. But for individual AFDs, we have [[WP:DRV|deletion review]]. The more important issue is whether one could take Neelix aside and talk to him about his tool use in particular instances. The fact is that a lot of adminship is learning on the job. I see nothing in Neelix's temperament to make me think he wouldn't be capable of it.--[[User:Chaser (away)|Chaser (away)]] - [[User talk:Chaser (away)|talk]] 05:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::The original answer was questionable, so a few of us questioned it. But Swarm has gone on to justify it in subsequent responses. It was a constructive discussion, but I think it has run its course now. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 07:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::The original answer was questionable, so a few of us questioned it. But Swarm has gone on to justify it in subsequent responses. It was a constructive discussion, but I think it has run its course now. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 07:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::You know, Chaser, I ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FNeelix&action=historysubmit&diff=416101695&oldid=416100883 almost]'' moved to neutral after Snottywong's second comment; I still had my concerns but the points raised against them are valid. Yours is yet another comment making me feel bad about myself :P. It was because I remembered that situation that I decided to remain in the oppose section. I definitely feel bad about opposing someone who has contributed so much, especially with the amount of flak I've gotten over it and the fact that it contradicts many of my previous statements and overall relaxed RfA attitude. While I'm not comfortable supporting, I've changed to ''weak oppose''; my opposition in, in fact, borderline neutral at this point. I've considered everyone's comments; I'm not ignoring anyone's opinion. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'>< |
#::You know, Chaser, I ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FNeelix&action=historysubmit&diff=416101695&oldid=416100883 almost]'' moved to neutral after Snottywong's second comment; I still had my concerns but the points raised against them are valid. Yours is yet another comment making me feel bad about myself :P. It was because I remembered that situation that I decided to remain in the oppose section. I definitely feel bad about opposing someone who has contributed so much, especially with the amount of flak I've gotten over it and the fact that it contradicts many of my previous statements and overall relaxed RfA attitude. While I'm not comfortable supporting, I've changed to ''weak oppose''; my opposition in, in fact, borderline neutral at this point. I've considered everyone's comments; I'm not ignoring anyone's opinion. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><span style="font-family: Old English Text MT;">Swarm</span></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-family: old english text mt;">X</span></span>]]</sup> 23:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. While the candidate appears to have the right temperment to be an administrator I feel he lacks the experience. I find myself amazed that I'm saying that since he's made so many edits, but in the last 6 months he's only made around 60 edits to wikipedia space - many directly related to articles he is working on. I have no doubt of his content creating credentials, and he is a credit to encyclopedia but I do not believe adminship is the right place for him to move. [[User Talk:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;">< |
#'''Oppose'''. While the candidate appears to have the right temperment to be an administrator I feel he lacks the experience. I find myself amazed that I'm saying that since he's made so many edits, but in the last 6 months he's only made around 60 edits to wikipedia space - many directly related to articles he is working on. I have no doubt of his content creating credentials, and he is a credit to encyclopedia but I do not believe adminship is the right place for him to move. [[User Talk:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><span style="color: #000;">'''''Worm'''''</span></span>]][[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><span style="color: #000;"><sup>TT</sup></span></span>]] 09:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Oppose'''</s><small>moving to neutral</small> I thought I was going to support because of ignoring all the lame questions, but [[The Gingerbread Man (series)]] and [[Freddie Widgeon]] prods lead me to oppose. I can't see any AFD's or speedy deletions, only one TfD. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 12:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:<s>'''Oppose'''</s><small>moving to neutral</small> I thought I was going to support because of ignoring all the lame questions, but [[The Gingerbread Man (series)]] and [[Freddie Widgeon]] prods lead me to oppose. I can't see any AFD's or speedy deletions, only one TfD. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 12:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:Could you elaborate on your example above. Do you mean because [[Freddie Widgeon]] should have been speedied or because it should not have been prod-ed as it is worth keeping? --[[User:RegentsPark|rgpk]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 13:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:Could you elaborate on your example above. Do you mean because [[Freddie Widgeon]] should have been speedied or because it should not have been prod-ed as it is worth keeping? --[[User:RegentsPark|rgpk]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 13:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::I feel that it should not have been nominated for deletion. [[Freddie Widgeon]] was a character article that should have been merged and turned into a redirect. For [[The Gingerbread Man (series)]] we are suffering from recentism, and references for this would not be online but found in newspapers and magazines as it was before the internet became popular. I would not oppose forever if I saw nominations for deletion of things that should go, rather than marginal items getting prodded. More experience in this area should develop this skill! [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 22:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::I feel that it should not have been nominated for deletion. [[Freddie Widgeon]] was a character article that should have been merged and turned into a redirect. For [[The Gingerbread Man (series)]] we are suffering from recentism, and references for this would not be online but found in newspapers and magazines as it was before the internet became popular. I would not oppose forever if I saw nominations for deletion of things that should go, rather than marginal items getting prodded. More experience in this area should develop this skill! [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 22:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::Thanks for the elaboration. Much though I have a soft spot for young Freddie Widgeon - ''kiss fweddie!'' has to be one of the classic lines from the short story world, and not just because Wodehouse plagiarized himself when writing it - I don't think you should penalize neelix for prodding the article. The article was unsourced and reliable sources didn't spring out on me when I did (an admittedly cursory) search on "Freddie Widgeon". Just a thought. --[[User:RegentsPark|rgpk]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 22:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:::Thanks for the elaboration. Much though I have a soft spot for young Freddie Widgeon - ''kiss fweddie!'' has to be one of the classic lines from the short story world, and not just because Wodehouse plagiarized himself when writing it - I don't think you should penalize neelix for prodding the article. The article was unsourced and reliable sources didn't spring out on me when I did (an admittedly cursory) search on "Freddie Widgeon". Just a thought. --[[User:RegentsPark|rgpk]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 22:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:<s> Not enough activity in project space.</s>[[User:Inka 888|<span style="color:#00ff00;"><big>''I''</big>n<big>''k''</big>a</span>]][[User talk:Inka 888|<sup style="color:black;">'''''8'''8'''8'''''</sup>]] 00:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC) <small> moved to neutral [[User:Inka 888|<span style="color:#00ff00;"><big>''I''</big>n<big>''k''</big>a</span>]][[User talk:Inka 888|<sup style="color:black;">'''''8'''8'''8'''''</sup>]] 08:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC) </small> |
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# actions and comments at [[Anthropogenic]] and [[Talk:Anthropogenic]] are enough for me to oppose. haven't looked at anything else yet. -[[User:Atmoz|Atmoz]] ([[User talk:Atmoz|talk]]) 15:44, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
# actions and comments at [[Anthropogenic]] and [[Talk:Anthropogenic]] are enough for me to oppose. haven't looked at anything else yet. -[[User:Atmoz|Atmoz]] ([[User talk:Atmoz|talk]]) 15:44, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:Exactly which actions and/or comments demonstrate that the candidate is unfit for adminship? I've read through and it appears he is trying to fix the problem with the article whereby its title is an adjective. This would be like having [[Science]] redirect to [[Scientific]] (instead of the other way around). You, on the other hand, appear to be on the verge of starting a {{diff|Anthropogenic|416044655|416035678|move war}} against consensus, and you haven't even cleaned up after your disruptive revert (i.e. the hatnote still says that "Anthropogenic redirects here". Your oppose appears to be based on a single recent disagreement with the editor. [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#a00 -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#0a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|express]]</small></sup> 16:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:Exactly which actions and/or comments demonstrate that the candidate is unfit for adminship? I've read through and it appears he is trying to fix the problem with the article whereby its title is an adjective. This would be like having [[Science]] redirect to [[Scientific]] (instead of the other way around). You, on the other hand, appear to be on the verge of starting a {{diff|Anthropogenic|416044655|416035678|move war}} against consensus, and you haven't even cleaned up after your disruptive revert (i.e. the hatnote still says that "Anthropogenic redirects here". Your oppose appears to be based on a single recent disagreement with the editor. [[User:Snottywong|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#a00 -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#0a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">—SW—</b>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|express]]</small></sup> 16:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:On further review of your contributions to discussions I no longer find them to be a reason to oppose. I have struck my comments. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 07:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:On further review of your contributions to discussions I no longer find them to be a reason to oppose. I have struck my comments. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 07:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak Oppose''' I feel the arguments above are compelling enough to make me feel uncomfortable with a Support vote. My mind is shaky on this one though, I may move to neutral. Regards, [[User:Lord Roem|Lord Roem]] ([[User talk:Lord Roem|talk]]) 05:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Weak Oppose''' I feel the arguments above are compelling enough to make me feel uncomfortable with a Support vote. My mind is shaky on this one though, I may move to neutral. Regards, [[User:Lord Roem|Lord Roem]] ([[User talk:Lord Roem|talk]]) 05:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Weak Oppose''' slightly regretfully. I just don't feel that the answers to questions 4/5 and to 17 are compatible. You can't have it both ways really. Since you would not have a second RFA if you took on additional tasks (which is fair enough, of course, as that's hardly common practice), it is only right that we take this opportunity to judge you on ''all'' tasks that you might one day feel like doing, and it seems that you are not clear on blocking policy or on how to deal with potential non-free image issues.--[[User:Korruski|<strong>< |
#'''Weak Oppose''' slightly regretfully. I just don't feel that the answers to questions 4/5 and to 17 are compatible. You can't have it both ways really. Since you would not have a second RFA if you took on additional tasks (which is fair enough, of course, as that's hardly common practice), it is only right that we take this opportunity to judge you on ''all'' tasks that you might one day feel like doing, and it seems that you are not clear on blocking policy or on how to deal with potential non-free image issues.--[[User:Korruski|<strong><span style="color: #96C8A2;">K</span><span style="color: black;">orr</span><span style="color: #96C8A2;">u</span><span style="color: black;">ski</span></strong>]]<sup>[[User talk:Korruski|<span style="color: #96C8A2;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 09:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. User recently unilaterally enforced their own interpretation of naming conventions on [[Hawaiian cuisine]] without consulting the extensive discussion about the title in the [[Talk:Hawaiian cuisine/Archive 1|talk archives]]. In the user's edit summary, Neelix claimed they were implementing the move "To be consistent with other regional cuisine articles" because "there is no reason to make this article's title an exception."[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hawaiian_cuisine&action=historysubmit&diff=414435460&oldid=410361761] Yet, the talk page archives indicate that there was a reason. Further, the reason itself was also expressed in the old move log entry which appears visible at the bottom of the screen prior to moving the article.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:MovePage/Hawaiian_cuisine] Neelix's claim that "there is no reason" for the title is clearly at odds with the stated reason that is in evidence in both the move log and in the talk page archive. If this is the kind of informed administration we can look forward to, then I must regretfully oppose. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose'''. User recently unilaterally enforced their own interpretation of naming conventions on [[Hawaiian cuisine]] without consulting the extensive discussion about the title in the [[Talk:Hawaiian cuisine/Archive 1|talk archives]]. In the user's edit summary, Neelix claimed they were implementing the move "To be consistent with other regional cuisine articles" because "there is no reason to make this article's title an exception."[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hawaiian_cuisine&action=historysubmit&diff=414435460&oldid=410361761] Yet, the talk page archives indicate that there was a reason. Further, the reason itself was also expressed in the old move log entry which appears visible at the bottom of the screen prior to moving the article.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:MovePage/Hawaiian_cuisine] Neelix's claim that "there is no reason" for the title is clearly at odds with the stated reason that is in evidence in both the move log and in the talk page archive. If this is the kind of informed administration we can look forward to, then I must regretfully oppose. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:I think "unilaterally enforced" is a bit hyperbolic considering that no one objected to the move on the article talk page or on the user's talk page, the last discussion about the name was in March 2009 and you are apparently the only editor who objected in the first place. RfA really isn't the place to discuss content disputes. --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 00:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:I think "unilaterally enforced" is a bit hyperbolic considering that no one objected to the move on the article talk page or on the user's talk page, the last discussion about the name was in March 2009 and you are apparently the only editor who objected in the first place. RfA really isn't the place to discuss content disputes. --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 00:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::The unilateral move of this stable article was made ''without discussion'' on 17 February 2011. This self-nom was made by Neelix on 24 February. I have neither responded to his move nor discussed or have been involved in any "content dispute". Since I rarely participate here, I came here for one reason: to note that a week before this self-nom, Neelix made a page move with a rationale that was not supported by the facts. The move log was clearly visible with the rationale in the edit summary when he moved the page, and the talk archives contain several discussions on the subject. Several editors, beside myself, have discussed issues with the title in the archives, and WikiProject Food and drink article guidelines explicitly allow for exceptions "when the adjective is too ambiguous", which is the case here. Furthermore, the best academic sources on the subject use "Cuisine of Hawaii" for this very reason, (Laudan 1996, etc.) and those sources are cited in the article. An administrator needs to have good judgment and Neelix does not seem to show it. When he claimed "there is no reason to make this article's title an exception", the reason was staring at him in the move log at the very bottom of the page he was using to move the title.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:MovePage/Hawaiian_cuisine] It very clearly says: "This is a special case that is an exception to the rule. Hawaiian cuisine and cuisine of Hawaii are generally two different things. That's why the contemporary version is known as Hawaii Regional Cuisine." Because of his unilateral action in regards to a stable article, as well as an edit summary that distorted the known facts, I don't think Neelix is a good fit as an administrator. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#::The unilateral move of this stable article was made ''without discussion'' on 17 February 2011. This self-nom was made by Neelix on 24 February. I have neither responded to his move nor discussed or have been involved in any "content dispute". Since I rarely participate here, I came here for one reason: to note that a week before this self-nom, Neelix made a page move with a rationale that was not supported by the facts. The move log was clearly visible with the rationale in the edit summary when he moved the page, and the talk archives contain several discussions on the subject. Several editors, beside myself, have discussed issues with the title in the archives, and WikiProject Food and drink article guidelines explicitly allow for exceptions "when the adjective is too ambiguous", which is the case here. Furthermore, the best academic sources on the subject use "Cuisine of Hawaii" for this very reason, (Laudan 1996, etc.) and those sources are cited in the article. An administrator needs to have good judgment and Neelix does not seem to show it. When he claimed "there is no reason to make this article's title an exception", the reason was staring at him in the move log at the very bottom of the page he was using to move the title.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:MovePage/Hawaiian_cuisine] It very clearly says: "This is a special case that is an exception to the rule. Hawaiian cuisine and cuisine of Hawaii are generally two different things. That's why the contemporary version is known as Hawaii Regional Cuisine." Because of his unilateral action in regards to a stable article, as well as an edit summary that distorted the known facts, I don't think Neelix is a good fit as an administrator. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Largely per Fastily. <s>Also, rather worried with the obsession with DYK. We all know where that can lead... (yes, that was a plagiarism reference)</s> [[User:Ronk01|< |
#'''Oppose''' Largely per Fastily. <s>Also, rather worried with the obsession with DYK. We all know where that can lead... (yes, that was a plagiarism reference)</s> [[User:Ronk01|<span style="color: black;">'''Ronk01'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ronk01|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]] 01:45, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Now that is a new one. 100,000 edits, and 4 DYKs. Hmmm. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#::Now that is a new one. 100,000 edits, and 4 DYKs. Hmmm. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::Yep, there goes my RfA... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:::Yep, there goes my RfA... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#:Are you sure you're commenting on the right RfA? Neelix hasn't even ''mentioned'' DYK in this RfA... in fact, no one has, until you did, in your oppose. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 05:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:Are you sure you're commenting on the right RfA? Neelix hasn't even ''mentioned'' DYK in this RfA... in fact, no one has, until you did, in your oppose. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 05:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::oops, wrong RfA. The vote is still oppose though. (And my point about DYK still stands) [[User:Ronk01|< |
#::oops, wrong RfA. The vote is still oppose though. (And my point about DYK still stands) [[User:Ronk01|<span style="color: black;">'''Ronk01'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ronk01|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]] 17:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::Well it's very hard to see what it stands on! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 22:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:::Well it's very hard to see what it stands on! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 22:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::It stands on the plagiarism scandal of this fall. An Arb got sucked in, so why not anyone else? Wkikpedia is not a competition to get the most DYKs, it is first and foremost a ''free content'' encyclopedia that does not plagiarize for convenience. [[User:Ronk01|< |
#::::It stands on the plagiarism scandal of this fall. An Arb got sucked in, so why not anyone else? Wkikpedia is not a competition to get the most DYKs, it is first and foremost a ''free content'' encyclopedia that does not plagiarize for convenience. [[User:Ronk01|<span style="color: black;">'''Ronk01'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ronk01|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]] 23:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::You should make those comments somewhere they are remotely relevant. It just misleading to do so on the RFA of someone with, I repeat, over 100,000 edits and only 4 DYKs. This is not chat corner. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:::::You should make those comments somewhere they are remotely relevant. It just misleading to do so on the RFA of someone with, I repeat, over 100,000 edits and only 4 DYKs. This is not chat corner. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#Concerned about "If a user requested that I become involved in a particular RfA, I would likely comply" (q13). I hope the candidate won't similarly be open to being solicited to use administrative tools in contested situations. I'll happily reconsider my !vote if I can be convinced by the candidate (not random third parties) that I'm reading too much into that answer. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#Concerned about "If a user requested that I become involved in a particular RfA, I would likely comply" (q13). I hope the candidate won't similarly be open to being solicited to use administrative tools in contested situations. I'll happily reconsider my !vote if I can be convinced by the candidate (not random third parties) that I'm reading too much into that answer. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#:'''Oppose''' - Per the above comment. [[User:That Meddling Kid|That Meddling Kid]] ([[User talk:That Meddling Kid|talk]]) 19:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
#:'''Oppose''' - Per the above comment. [[User:That Meddling Kid|That Meddling Kid]] ([[User talk:That Meddling Kid|talk]]) 19:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#::<small>— [[User:That Meddling Kid|That Meddling Kid]] ([[User talk:That Meddling Kid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/That Meddling Kid|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small> |
#::<small>— [[User:That Meddling Kid|That Meddling Kid]] ([[User talk:That Meddling Kid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/That Meddling Kid|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small> |
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#:::User blocked for block evasion. [[User:Nakon|< |
#:::User blocked for block evasion. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color: #C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 20:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC) |
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# '''Oppose'''. Unconvincing reasons for adminship. Little experience in areas that require admin intervention. Unlikely to use the tools effectively. [[User:Axl|< |
# '''Oppose'''. Unconvincing reasons for adminship. Little experience in areas that require admin intervention. Unlikely to use the tools effectively. [[User:Axl|<span style="color:#808000;">'''Axl'''</span>]] <span style="color:#3CB371;">¤</span> [[User talk:Axl|<span style="color:#808000; font-size:smaller;">[Talk]</span>]] 09:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutal''' I am impressed with your contribs but I also noticed of the lack of edits in the Wikipedia and User talk namespaces. In this case I agree with what Fastily is saying and this why I am here in neutral. Good luck though! < |
#'''Neutal''' I am impressed with your contribs but I also noticed of the lack of edits in the Wikipedia and User talk namespaces. In this case I agree with what Fastily is saying and this why I am here in neutral. Good luck though! <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:red;">'''Baseball'''</span>]][[User talk:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:blue;">''' Watcher'''</span>]]</span> 23:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' A trustworthy, prolific user who wants access to the tools for very limited and clearly articulated purposes. The only hesitation that I have here is lack of edits in Wikipedia and User talk namespaces; and a general lack of experience in the traditional admin. areas (e.g. vandal fighting).--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 01:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' A trustworthy, prolific user who wants access to the tools for very limited and clearly articulated purposes. The only hesitation that I have here is lack of edits in Wikipedia and User talk namespaces; and a general lack of experience in the traditional admin. areas (e.g. vandal fighting).--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 01:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' - I tend not to support self-noms, and I agree with most of the opposes thus far that the candidate needs more all-around experience with the system. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' - I tend not to support self-noms, and I agree with most of the opposes thus far that the candidate needs more all-around experience with the system. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Neutral'''</s> - for now. I think your contribution history is impressive and you seem to have a grasp of policy. I'd like to see how you deal with the questions presented above - perhaps silence is your answer. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 15:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#:<s>'''Neutral'''</s> - for now. I think your contribution history is impressive and you seem to have a grasp of policy. I'd like to see how you deal with the questions presented above - perhaps silence is your answer. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 15:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Moved to support. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 16:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#::Moved to support. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 16:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#:<s>'''Neutral''' - He is a very good content contributor, but the low number of edits in the project namespace bothers me. Pending on answers to my questions.</s> < |
#:<s>'''Neutral''' - He is a very good content contributor, but the low number of edits in the project namespace bothers me. Pending on answers to my questions.</s> [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 15:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#::<small>(move to support) < |
#::<small>(move to support) [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 20:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)</small> |
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#'''Neutral''' - Great contributor, but Fastily makes a solid argument. Leaning toward support though.--v/r - [[User:TParis00ap|T]][[User_talk:TParis00ap|P]] 16:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' - Great contributor, but Fastily makes a solid argument. Leaning toward support though.--v/r - [[User:TParis00ap|T]][[User_talk:TParis00ap|P]] 16:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#Moved from oppose, I appreciate all the hard work in article space but Fastily and Fetchcomms bring up good arguments. I would still like to see a bit more in project space before I would support. |
#Moved from oppose, I appreciate all the hard work in article space but Fastily and Fetchcomms bring up good arguments. I would still like to see a bit more in project space before I would support. [[User:Inka 888|<span style="color:#00ff00;"><big>''I''</big>n<big>''k''</big>a</span>]][[User talk:Inka 888|<sup style="color:black;">'''''8'''8'''8'''''</sup>]] 08:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' With TP on this one requires more thought. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 13:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' With TP on this one requires more thought. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 13:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' Good work as far as I can see, but both Fastily and Fetchcomms raise valid considerations. As I write this, neither side outweighs the other. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 15:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' Good work as far as I can see, but both Fastily and Fetchcomms raise valid considerations. As I write this, neither side outweighs the other. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 15:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' allthough I disagree with some deletion nominations and think there should be more experience in admin related areas, other characteristics are good. I thought that requested moves would be a reason to be an admin too, but in fact there is not much work there. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 21:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' allthough I disagree with some deletion nominations and think there should be more experience in admin related areas, other characteristics are good. I thought that requested moves would be a reason to be an admin too, but in fact there is not much work there. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 21:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' - While this user's content contributions are superb, I'd like to see more project/project talk namespace edits. A prospective admin needs to have experience in the "'''administrative'''" areas of Wikipedia and in comparison to their content edits I'm not satisfied by what I see, though I don't think that not having a substantial amount project/project talk edits merits an oppose !vote. —<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;font-variant:small-caps;">'''[[User:Ancapp|< |
#'''Neutral''' - While this user's content contributions are superb, I'd like to see more project/project talk namespace edits. A prospective admin needs to have experience in the "'''administrative'''" areas of Wikipedia and in comparison to their content edits I'm not satisfied by what I see, though I don't think that not having a substantial amount project/project talk edits merits an oppose !vote. —<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;font-variant:small-caps;">'''[[User:Ancapp|<span style="color: red;">Ancient Apparition</span>]] • [[User:Ancapp/t|<span style="color: grey;">Champagne?</span>]] • 11:56am •'''</span> 00:56, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' - moved from 'Oppose'. [[User talk:Keepscases]] question #13 impresses me - although I don't generally ask questions, it's one I've often pondered asking at RfA, and I'm disappointed in your answer. However, in view of the support you have, I have now been able to review a lot more of your contributions, and I no longer see a reason to oppose, so I'm moving here. The comments in my oppose statement still stand, and I hope you will take them into consideration in good faith, in your work as an admin. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 03:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' - moved from 'Oppose'. [[User talk:Keepscases]] question #13 impresses me - although I don't generally ask questions, it's one I've often pondered asking at RfA, and I'm disappointed in your answer. However, in view of the support you have, I have now been able to review a lot more of your contributions, and I no longer see a reason to oppose, so I'm moving here. The comments in my oppose statement still stand, and I hope you will take them into consideration in good faith, in your work as an admin. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 03:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' [[Carabane]] needs work (confusing read). Concerned about level of English language competence as well. On the positive side, you are a big content contributor and "content is king". [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 05:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' [[Carabane]] needs work (confusing read). Concerned about level of English language competence as well. On the positive side, you are a big content contributor and "content is king". [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 05:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Neutral''' - Many edits but relatively few in areas where the admin tools would be used, and more experience in those areas would be preferred before getting the tools.--[[User:Michig|Michig]] ([[User talk:Michig|talk]]) 07:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Neutral''' - Many edits but relatively few in areas where the admin tools would be used, and more experience in those areas would be preferred before getting the tools.--[[User:Michig|Michig]] ([[User talk:Michig|talk]]) 07:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC) |
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