Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Falls, Arizona: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Latest revision as of 21:05, 11 April 2023

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is sourcing is insufficient Star Mississippi 21:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Falls, Arizona

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Could not find coverage to confirm that this place was notable or even existed. Searches of Arizona papers returned articles about Twin Falls, Idaho but not Arizona. –dlthewave ☎ 01:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. –dlthewave ☎ 01:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We should delete this. According to KEZJ "It pretty much looks like a dirt road in the middle of, well... a bunch of dirt." A dirt road in the middle of a bunch of dirt is not important enough for Wikipedia. Maine 🦞 14:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per WP:NPLACE this is a named place that was once populated and even though it might not have people living there now that doesn't make it not notable as per WP:NTEMP. Looking over some maps from USGS I see that there are a few markers for buildings in maps from 1953, a map in 1959 notes the name of the place, and an 1892 map shows that there was a used road in that area. Looking at some information from the Navajo Nation it appears that the area is now a trail and at one time was used for hearing animals. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 05:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dr vulpes, currently the article is sourced only to GNIS and its mirror, Hometown Locator; NPLACE specifically excludes GNIS from satisfying its "officially recognized" and "populated place" criteria. The other source you provided doesn't mention a populated place at Twin Falls, it only mentions a hike that leads to two (or possibly three) waterfalls. And buildings on a map are not proof that this was a notable place, that type of thing often turns out to just be someone's ranch or homestead. I would suggest finding more sources that establish either GNG or a "legally recognized populated place" if you'd like your !vote to be counted. –dlthewave ☎ 15:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a place that is significant to the Navajo Nation then it should either be kept or redirected to Navajo Nation, or the appropriate chapterhouse if it has an article. Or Teec Nos Pos, Arizona, even. Also Navajo Times is as RS as it gets in that area. Local newspaper of record. Elinruby (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Navajo Times has a single sentence describing this as a waterfall that one can hike to. Do you think that's sufficient to meet GNG? –dlthewave ☎ 12:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

delete I can find no text evidence for this place, though it is heavily masked in searching by the place in Idaho. It's also unclear why the topos show a couple of buildings here, because the aerials show almost no change over the years except for the growth of vegetation, and there's no trace of buildings. At any rate there's no decent evidence for a town here or whatever it might have been. Mangoe (talk) 04:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
+<div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
-===[[:Twin Falls, Arizona]]===
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this page.''
-{{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD|P}}
+<!--Template:Afd top
+Note:  If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to re-nominate an article for deletion, you must manually edit the AfD nomination links to create a new discussion page using the name format of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME (2nd nomination)]].  When you create the new discussion page, please provide a link to this old discussion in your nomination. -->
+The result was '''delete'''. Consensus is sourcing is insufficient <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 21:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
+===[[:Twin Falls, Arizona]]===
 <noinclude>{{AFD help}}</noinclude>
-:{{la|1=Twin Falls, Arizona}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Falls, Arizona|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 March 28#{{anchorencode:Twin Falls, Arizona}}|View log]]</noinclude> | [[Special:Diff/1052583852/cur|edits since nomination]])
+:{{la|1=Twin Falls, Arizona}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Falls, Arizona|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 April 4#{{anchorencode:Twin Falls, Arizona}}|View log]]</noinclude> | [[Special:Diff/1052583852/cur|edits since nomination]])
 :({{Find sources AFD|title=Twin Falls, Arizona}})
 Could not find coverage to confirm that this place was notable or even existed. Searches of Arizona papers returned articles about Twin Falls, Idaho but not Arizona. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 01:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Geography|Geography]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Arizona|Arizona]]. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 01:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)</small>
 *We should delete this. According to [https://kezj.com/other-places-around-the-globe-named-twin-falls/ KEZJ] "It pretty much looks like a dirt road in the middle of, well... a bunch of dirt." A dirt road in the middle of a bunch of dirt is not important enough for Wikipedia. <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color: midnightblue; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Maine Lobster|<span style="color: salmon">Maine</span>]] [[User talk:Maine Lobster|<span style="color: greenyellow">🦞</span>]]</span> 14:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
-:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Twin Falls, Arizona]]</noinclude></p>
+:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
 * '''Keep''' as per [[WP:NPLACE]] this is a named place that was once populated and even though it might not have people living there now that doesn't make it not notable as per [[WP:NTEMP]]. Looking over some maps from USGS I see that there are a few markers for buildings in maps from 1953, a map in 1959 notes the name of the place, and an 1892 map shows that there was a used road in that area. Looking at some information from the Navajo Nation it appears that the area is now a trail and at [https://www.navajotimes.com/news/chapters/042414teec.php one time was used for hearing animals]. '''[[User:Dr_vulpes|<span style="background:#7a1dfc; color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Dr vulpes</span>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Dr_vulpes|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr_vulpes|📝]])</sup> 05:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
+::{{u|Dr vulpes}}, currently the article is sourced only to GNIS and its mirror, Hometown Locator; NPLACE specifically excludes GNIS from satisfying its "officially recognized" and "populated place" criteria. The other source you provided doesn't mention a populated place at Twin Falls, it only mentions a hike that leads to two (or possibly three) waterfalls. And buildings on a map are not proof that this was a notable place, that type of thing often turns out to just be someone's ranch or homestead. I would suggest finding more sources that establish either GNG or a "legally recognized populated place" if you'd like your !vote to be counted. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 15:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
+::If it's a place that is significant to the Navajo Nation then it should either be kept or redirected to Navajo Nation, or the appropriate chapterhouse if it has an article. Or [[Teec Nos Pos, Arizona]], even. Also Navajo Times is as RS as it gets in that area. Local newspaper of record. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 23:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
+:::Navajo Times has a single sentence describing this as a waterfall that one can hike to. Do you think that's sufficient to meet GNG? –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 12:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
+:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 01:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
+*'''delete''' I can find no text evidence for this place, though it is heavily masked in searching by the place in Idaho. It's also unclear why the topos show a couple of buildings here, because the aerials show almost no change over the years except for the growth of vegetation, and there's no trace of buildings. At any rate there's no decent evidence for a town here or whatever it might have been. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 04:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
+{{clear}}
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page.''<!--Template:Afd bottom--></div>