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The result was Draftify‎. Consensus is that the subject is likely to be notable, but the content needs considerable reworking to be suitable for mainspace. RL0919 (talk) 04:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Flaminio Paleologo

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Non-notable "individual". I can't even tell what they're claimed to have done in life. I find no sources for whomever or whatever this article describes. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Italy. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject was an Italian soldier, as the article says, and the corresponding article in the Italian Wikipedia has lots of references. See it:Flaminio Paleologo or el:Φλαμίνιο Παλαιολόγος. There's an article on him in an Italian biographical directory, which is enough to demonstrate notability. See Laura Turchi, PALEOLOGO, Flaminio, in Dizionario biografico degli italiani, vol. 80, Roma, Istituto dell'Enciclopedia Italiana, 2014. If the subject of an article is from a language/country/society with its own Wikipedia, then WP:BEFORE requires that you check for references in the corresponding article in that language's Wikipedia. In this case, you'll find lots of them. Just Googling an article title isn't good enough. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. The subject is a historical person with an entry in the authoritative Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani and the it.wiki article has several apparently decent sources. However this en.wiki version is largely gibberish and when I read that one of his daughters was called “Margherita pizza” it’s clear that the creator just gave up on trying to produce anything worthwhile. Properly written and sourced, there is a valid article here. Mccapra (talk) 22:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: With a considerable entry in the national encyclopedia (and a hell of a last name), he appears to be notable, but this has to be one of the worst quality articles I've ever read. Curbon7 (talk) 00:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify/keep. Certainly notable. The article is a Google translation of the Italian Wiki. Yes, Google gives "Margherita pizza". Srnec (talk) 01:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If so, sounds like WP:TFOLWP wasn't followed. Ljleppan (talk) 08:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I have been through the article to eliminate some redlinks, which are the result of personal and place-names not being translated. As governor of Montferrat, he would certainly be notable and this is confirmed by him having an entry in the Italian Bio-dictionary. I suspect that Margherita pizza appears due to vandalism on the Italian WP, as it is also there. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Significant coverage exists in Italian sources. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Now it's an even worse translation, this needs to be sent to draft and TNT for now. Oaktree b (talk) 20:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

still gibberish tho. “ The doctor Francesco Valerio and the pharmacist "messer Pavolo" were the executive arms of Valla”??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccapra (talk • contribs) 18:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Clearly not ready to be in mainspace. Article needs to be rewritten and properly sourced before publishing. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Subject is very likely notable, but the article in its current state is illegible. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''Draftify'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Consensus is that the subject is likely to be notable, but the content needs considerable reworking to be suitable for mainspace. [[User:RL0919|RL0919]] ([[User talk:RL0919|talk]]) 04:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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-::still gibberish tho. “ The doctor Francesco Valerio and the pharmacist "messer Pavolo" were the executive arms of Valla”???
+::still gibberish tho. “ The doctor Francesco Valerio and the pharmacist "messer Pavolo" were the executive arms of Valla”??? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mccapra|contribs]]) 18:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Draftify''' per above. Clearly not ready to be in mainspace. Article needs to be rewritten and properly sourced before publishing. <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 10:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
+:'''Draftify''' Subject is very likely notable, but the article in its current state is illegible. [[User:Chaotic Enby|Chaotic Enby]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]]) 18:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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